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    Tri Axle Trailer vs Dual Axle Trailer

    Hi-
    I’m trying to do research on tri- axle horse trailers vs dual axle. I have always had a dual axle, but we are looking at getting a custom trailer with lq and it’s length is requiring three axles. My husband says no way because the tires will rub against each other when turning, more blowouts than you would normally have other wise and tight turns are very hard to make with three axles. And I have a 90 degree turn into my driveway and also the majority of the turns I make when leaving my neighborhood.

    what is everyone’s options? The good, the bad, and the ugly. I do most of the driving myself with no other person so something that is more of pia is not something I would like to deal with.

    thanks in advanced!

    #2
    How can he think the tires would rub on each other in turns? The axles don't move when driving or turning. If the wheels don't rub going forward, they won't rub on turns. Curious if he has ever driven a 3 axle trailer to say they turn differently than a dual axle trailer? My friend has an older 3 axle trailer, does not seem to have any issues with it beyond normal wear and tear. She drives it a lot, goes in all kinds of places with it, no problems beyond what any larger trailer gIves you in getting it into small places.

    Is new trailer a bumper pull or gooseneck hitch? Bumper pull may not be able to turn as short as a gooseneck, so there could be differences in HOW you turn a 90* corner. Gooseneck will allow very tight circles in small spaces that you cannot do with a bumper pull. But you ARE turning/pivoting, on the wheel, not rolling forward turning on that wheel. So it might cause slightly more wear if you do it often.

    What is planned length of trailer and will it be heavily loaded to pull? I see 3 axles under race car trailers hauling heavy loads, but sometimes axle location on trailer, heavier weight limit axles, bigger tires, can allow you to stay with just two axles. Different engineering to manage the load. Our 35ft trailer has heavy rated axles with oil in them, like semi trucks use. It is a rebuilt, customized Featherlite, lot of years on it, lot of miles. We pack it full to go places, 2-3 horses, carriage, hay, bedding, harness, full water tank, though it may not weigh a lot. But only 2 axles.

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      #3
      Dexter does not recommend triple axles when using their torsion axles. Appears the axles would be overloaded going over bumps. Tor-flex are designed for twice overload but not thrice overload.
      Equus makus brokus but happy

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        #4
        "Is new trailer a bumper pull or gooseneck hitch?"

        Is it possible to have a horse trailer with living quarters (big enough that it needs 3 axles) that is a bumper pull?
        That's fine, many of us have slid down this slippery slope and became very happy (and broke) doing it. We may not have a retirement, but we have memories ...

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          #5
          I haven't seen a bp horse trailer that meets those requirements (and mine is 23' long), but every year I'm heading to and from Florida around Daytona season and I've seen plenty of vehicle trailers that meet that description.
          Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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            #6
            And I have a 90 degree turn into my driveway and also the majority of the turns I make when leaving my neighborhood.
            I suspect you will twist the axles and bend the wheels if you are having to do turn 90 degree turns. When I was working for a saddlehorse farm we had a 36 ft gooseneck that we used and had to put it into some very tight places.... had to replace the axles twice

            And if you have Chinese tires on it the sidewalls will give out

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              #7
              The trailer we are looking at building would be almost 50’ long gooseneck with lq, midtack and 2+1 horse area. So pretty long. I’ve asked the manufacturer if we could do higher rated axles instead of three smaller ones.

              everything I’ve read says 90 degree turns and Jack knifing a trailer with three axles is a no go. And you wear out more tires with three axles. What other issues have people experiences?

              the other thing I’ve read about is due to haveing the third axle, you also have to worry about being over weight/ more of a target automatically with a third axle- or maybe that doesn’t apply to horse trailers? ( I read it on a truckers website). Would a cdl be needed?

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                #8
                Originally posted by TXnGA View Post
                The trailer we are looking at building would be almost 50’ long gooseneck with lq, midtack and 2+1 horse area. So pretty long. I’ve asked the manufacturer if we could do higher rated axles instead of three smaller ones.

                everything I’ve read says 90 degree turns and Jack knifing a trailer with three axles is a no go. And you wear out more tires with three axles. What other issues have people experiences?

                the other thing I’ve read about is due to haveing the third axle, you also have to worry about being over weight/ more of a target automatically with a third axle- or maybe that doesn’t apply to horse trailers? ( I read it on a truckers website). Would a cdl be needed?
                If a CDL isn’t currently required, it may be in the near future. You would need to check with the state in which you reside.

                Another thing to consider is the size of the tow vehicle. This size trailer is beyond the capabilities of a one ton truck.
                "You can't fix stupid"- Ron White

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                  #9
                  Ok... first, that's a really long trailer...

                  You might consider having vacuum over hydraulic brakes, they can handle considerably more weight than the usual electric trailer brakes.

                  Second, what you have most likely had on your trailers in the
                  past are properly called tandem axles, or less commonly double axles. A dual axle means that there are two wheels on each end of the axle, as in a "Dually" truck...four tires under one axle.

                  A dual axle can handle more weight, and thus two dual axles might meet your weight requirement, instead of a triple axle configuration.

                  The main issue with dual axles on a livestock or horse trailer, is that those two tires take up more space than one tire. Like the dually pickups that have big hips...
                  Anyway, a dual axle livestock or horse trailer will have less room on the inside of the trailer, in the horse or cattle compartment that rides directly over the axles.

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                    #10
                    OP, with this new information, that is a BIG trailer. Have you ever driven a semi truck? 50ft is a common length for semi trailers, then add on the length of your pulling vehicle, for a total length you will have to manage. So you need to start thinking like a semi truck driver in how to manage your combination.

                    We have such a truck and trailer of 53ft, for a total over 60ft long. I have to say it can be a bear getting in and out of a showground, on wet or soft ground. You usually cannot park close to barns, you are too big. It is very easy to get parked in, can't leave when you want. VERY frustrating! You cannot stop for food "just any old place", you have to consider your size with every move you make. Location of trailer axles will control your turning radius, with axles closer to the rear shortening the turns. Trailer will turn way inside the tracks the pulling vehicle made! Our outfit makes 4 seperate tire tracks doing a 90* turn, and tracks may not be close to each other!

                    I am going to say for a 50ft trailer, you will need a CDL-A liscense and may need the air brake endorsement, to be legal. Both our 35ft Featherlite with the heavy axles, big tires, and the semi trailer have air brakes. I feel very confident in being able to stop when I use the brakes. My State goes by both weight, over 10,000 lbs, AND length, in requiring the CDL licensing to drive bigger trailers. Yes there are folks driving without a CDL, but I sure would not want to be one if pulled over or in an accident. Fines can really add up.

                    I am SURE you can drive such a rig with some instruction and practice. Then pass the driver testing. Getting proper instruction will make things easier for you, start resetting your thinking to be a truck driver, in doing things safely and correctly with this big rig. Getting the truck driver manual from your Sec of State office will cover lots of what you need to know, details. Do know that the information in testing covers ALL kinds of semi truck drivers, so anyone liscensed with a CDL can drive any kind of big truck outfit.

                    You will need a bigger truck/truck-tractor to pull the big trailer. Figure what trailer will weigh fully loaded, in considering size of pulling vehicle you will need. Tractor vehicle needs enough power to manage the full load in hills or mountains without losing much speed. Trucks come in automatic and manual transmissions these days, so if you are not familiar with shifting a manual, you have another option. We pull the Featherlite trailer with a 2-ton truck that has a flatbed. The semi trailer has a semi tractor to pull it, enough power to easily manage the fully loaded trailer wherever we go.

                    I have a CDL-A with the air-brake endorsement for work, drove professionally, so I was "prepared" when we changed to the bigger trailers. We had other women driving for the Company, so you should be confident in being able to manage such an outfit. Not trying to "talk down" to you, but at times dealing with men drivers can be very discouraging. In fact the women drivers had better safety records!

                    With friends who like to show, I seriously suggest going back over your trailer plans to see if you can reduce the length. They went with big trailers and find them difficult to drive and park at shows. Many sold them after short times, got smaller trailers that were easier to manage. Widths were a big issue for them, in trying to keep 8ft wide and long lengths between the lines on long hauls. No room for error in correcting your travel like a smaller width trailer gives you!

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                      #11
                      You might want to reach out to DiamondJubilee , I believe they have a 53' rig with 3 axles.
                      Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by goodhors View Post
                        OP, with this new information, that is a BIG trailer. Have you ever driven a semi truck? 50ft is a common length for semi trailers, then add on the length of your pulling vehicle, for a total length you will have to manage. So you need to start thinking like a semi truck driver in how to manage your combination.

                        We have such a truck and trailer of 53ft, for a total over 60ft long. I have to say it can be a bear getting in and out of a showground, on wet or soft ground. You usually cannot park close to barns, you are too big. It is very easy to get parked in, can't leave when you want. VERY frustrating! You cannot stop for food "just any old place", you have to consider your size with every move you make. Location of trailer axles will control your turning radius, with axles closer to the rear shortening the turns. Trailer will turn way inside the tracks the pulling vehicle made! Our outfit makes 4 seperate tire tracks doing a 90* turn, and tracks may not be close to each other!

                        I am going to say for a 50ft trailer, you will need a CDL-A liscense and may need the air brake endorsement, to be legal. Both our 35ft Featherlite with the heavy axles, big tires, and the semi trailer have air brakes. I feel very confident in being able to stop when I use the brakes. My State goes by both weight, over 10,000 lbs, AND length, in requiring the CDL licensing to drive bigger trailers. Yes there are folks driving without a CDL, but I sure would not want to be one if pulled over or in an accident. Fines can really add up.

                        I am SURE you can drive such a rig with some instruction and practice. Then pass the driver testing. Getting proper instruction will make things easier for you, start resetting your thinking to be a truck driver, in doing things safely and correctly with this big rig. Getting the truck driver manual from your Sec of State office will cover lots of what you need to know, details. Do know that the information in testing covers ALL kinds of semi truck drivers, so anyone liscensed with a CDL can drive any kind of big truck outfit.

                        You will need a bigger truck/truck-tractor to pull the big trailer. Figure what trailer will weigh fully loaded, in considering size of pulling vehicle you will need. Tractor vehicle needs enough power to manage the full load in hills or mountains without losing much speed. Trucks come in automatic and manual transmissions these days, so if you are not familiar with shifting a manual, you have another option. We pull the Featherlite trailer with a 2-ton truck that has a flatbed. The semi trailer has a semi tractor to pull it, enough power to easily manage the fully loaded trailer wherever we go.

                        I have a CDL-A with the air-brake endorsement for work, drove professionally, so I was "prepared" when we changed to the bigger trailers. We had other women driving for the Company, so you should be confident in being able to manage such an outfit. Not trying to "talk down" to you, but at times dealing with men drivers can be very discouraging. In fact the women drivers had better safety records!

                        With friends who like to show, I seriously suggest going back over your trailer plans to see if you can reduce the length. They went with big trailers and find them difficult to drive and park at shows. Many sold them after short times, got smaller trailers that were easier to manage. Widths were a big issue for them, in trying to keep 8ft wide and long lengths between the lines on long hauls. No room for error in correcting your travel like a smaller width trailer gives you!
                        My current trailer is another custom built trailer at 45’, so we are only adding about 5 feet of length for more lq space. I’ve had this trailer for almost 6 years and have had no problems with it at shows, hauling or being pulled by a 1 ton or stopping. But at 50’ it get a tad towards my uncomfortable and don’t want to have to buy a new truck as the one I have is two years old... I have never had a problem hauling or being stopped by officials and I’ve driven it up and down the east coast multiple times. I do get boxed in a shows at times and have to be careful where and how I go at the showgrounds. And countless times that I haven’t stopped at gas station or for food because the logistics of the trailer wouldn’t work for parking 😳

                        thank you to everyone for all the great information!! A lot to consider and maybe just having to forgo the 2+1 design and have to do a reverse slant to be able to walk them off forward.

                        and I apologize, I meant two axles, not dual wheels Axles in the post, I don’t think I’ve seen a non semi horse trailer with dual wheels before.

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