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  • clanter
    Originally posted by TullyMars View Post
    Make sure trailer weight fits into the combined trailer/truck weigh. Why can’t they just make this simple!
    well the Problem is

    With regard to the familiar combination, a tow vehicle (whether truck, automobile, or tractor) towing a trailer, the driver needs a CDL if the tow-vehicle manufacturer’s assigned GCWR exceeds 26,000 lbs. (as shown on its cert label)and the trailer’s GVWR exceeds 10,000 lbs.
    some pickup trucks have the first part of this paragraph well under control being rated well above 30,000 pounds, but the Trail has to have a GVWR 10,000 pounds or Greater with a factory Rating of 9,990 pounds the trailer truck combo does not require the driver to have a CDL

    so That trailer OP posted about being Under the 10,000 GVWR sidesteps the Whole Problem

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  • TullyMars
    Make sure trailer weight fits into the combined trailer/truck weigh. Why can’t they just make this simple!

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  • joiedevie99
    Ask the seller to get you the empty weight. I found a 2018 online, GVWR 10400, empty weight 5200. That would be 5200 lbs. for horses and stuff, which seems fine even if you want to haul 3 on occasion.

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  • DMK
    mine isn't a GN but it is a BP 2+1 floor plan (no tackroom, the +1 is the tackroom) and it is 8'0 wide. It's GVWR is slightly under 8K so that seems in line with a 9900 rating for the slightly larger trailer. Now if my goal was ever to put 3 horses in it, it might concern me (for more reasons than the GVWR, the idea of a horse in a box stall that close to the nose in a BP is just ... wrong), but that isn't the purpose (oK, I reserve the right to put a pony up there if we are ever required to do an emergency evacuation, but that is it)

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  • TullyMars
    When sold they were trying to keep that trailer compliant for states that are having the 10k GVWR rule enforced. I have one of these 2+1 trailers with a 9,980 GVWR to keep from having to go get a class A license. The axles have held up very well. I haul 3 horses in it regularly and have actually hauled 4 in it in an emergency. Mine is a 4 *.

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  • tabula rashah
    That sounds about right to me. I have a 3H GN with a dressing room, steel frame, aluminum body. It's GVWR is 10,100 and a 3H GN with weekender LQ that's 10,400

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  • clanter
    to me, and I am not anywhere near knowledge, ...but ... I suspect if the trailer was rated higher it would either have required a commercial licence or a much higher tax rate.

    I used to test equipment for capacities and often the ratings were adjusted to the needs of the industry. What we were looking for where failure points were, and then would decease our "rating" by an agreed value. (or often when comparing like products to competitors who were saying their unit could handle X pounds at y feet, looking at their ratings, we would adjust ours rating for similar equipment to equal or exceed their ratings

    But this trailer... just under 10,000 pounds gives me the thought that 10,000 pounds is a break point for some legislation as government officials like even numbers

    Ford back in the 1980s made a 5/8 ton pickup so that the taxes would be less, it was a 3/4ton that was badged and rated 5/8th

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  • NaturalSelection
    started a topic Trailer GVWR

    Trailer GVWR

    I am still on the hunt for a 2+1 trailer. Found another promising candidate that fits my size, configuration, and price range requirements. It’s a used gooseneck Kiefer Genesis 2+1.

    However, the GVWR is only 9990#. I don’t know the empty trailer weight. The GVWR seems unusually low for a 2+1, especially if I actually want to haul three horses. This must indicate the two axels are 5000# each? I think most 2+1s have two 6000# or even 7000# axels. My tow vehicle is a 2007 1ton Silverado, so I have plenty of truck.

    Should I be concerned about 9990# GVWR?