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    getting new neighbors

    I'd like a thread to just hear from those who had a lot/parcel of land directly on your properties fencline sell and owners begin construction on. Just to know your experiences....the good the bad, the ugly......and if suggestions of things learned, etc. I'm dreading it. These are not horsey people at all and my fenceline and barn are adjoining this parcel --very little space for a home...weird sized 3 acre parcel most in woods/ravine. so they'll be setting the pad very close to back of my barn and attached fenceline that travels our lot line from there to the road frontage.
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    ayrabz
    "Indecision may or may not be my problem"
    --Jimmy Buffett

    #2
    Well, we were the new neighbors who built when the existing neighbor did not want us or our evil horses there.

    In the beginning they did their best to make our lives miserable. Everything we did ended up with someone being called (sometimes they just called us, sometimes they called the town, etc). Even the town was annoyed by them and told them more than once that if they wanted control of this property they needed to buy it.
    We are quiet neighbors, no parties or such. We keep the horse areas clean (pick manure every day).

    Lots of years later they seem to realize that having horses next door does not affect them and they now make attempts to be neighborly.

    I realize this is the opposite situation as what you are dealing with but I think it shows that even with the most difficult neighbor they can hopefully learn to deal with having horses next door.

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      #3
      They ought to know what they are in for, since horses are already there, but you may consider getting to know them soon to make sure they understand that horses are not garbage disposals for their old veggies, etc... (yes, we had that issue in suburban barn where I boarded).

      If they have kids, there is potential for making nice with you. We made friends with neighbors building nearby and invited them over to tour the farm. That seemed to satisfy their curiosity and we never had any trouble. During the tour, we showed them the feeding routine and we were able to explain how the horses are susceptible to digestive upsets. I think that helped because they asked if we wanted treats for the horses and what kind of treats they ate. An ounce of prevention....

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        #4
        Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
        Well, we were the new neighbors who built when the existing neighbor did not want us or our evil horses there.

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        We have experienced just the opposite. Out large acreage lot is the center of fifteen, five in front, five in back and two on either side..... We are thinking of imposing a Viewing Fee.

        People are trying to buy here so that they can see the horses.

        (Neighbor across the street the extended family have two of the houses next to each other and have developed a rural compound of sorts...even down to a miniature cow)

        We are in the middle of few million people and less than a mile from a $2B mall/shopping complex

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          #5
          I realize you already have your fence up but depending on how the new neighbors turn out I would consider putting up a secondary fence to keep horses back away from the shared fence (if there is one).

          Post signs now about not feeding/petting the horses and one that says private facility etc. at least they'll have a warning before they move in. Hopefully they will be great neighbors.

          We got new neighbors (several houses down from us) they have been great, husband takes all our manure for his compost and gives us fresh fruit and veggies!

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            #6
            I live in an equine development, there are horse farms and just people who don’t have horses but like having a few acres.
            It is always a cause for concern when somebody new moves in.
            However it is usually ok, most people are pretty respectful of their neighbor's and if they are not you can address it then.
            I definitely would not put up signs about not feeding the horses, that seems a little hostile, but if you are concerned about that just talk to them about how delicate horse’s digestion is.
            As far as double fences,that is always a good idea.
            It will probably be fine, most people just want to enjoy their own home.

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              #7
              My advice would be "kindness" --no matter what --and make sure your fence along their property is child proof and electric and well marked as such. I have four Amish neighbors with loads of little kids --as lovely and well-behaved as those kids are, a toddler running after a puppy or ball should not be able to go under or through a fence --I was chatting with the neighbor who was holding his son on the other side of the fence (we were talking about the new fencing he was considering). I told him to let me know when the fence contractor would be out as my fence is always on --woven wire with a hot wire on top. The dad held his little boy up and pointed at the wire and said: "gevaarlijk!" two or three times. (At least I think that is what he said).

              I can't say I always like what my neighbors do ---openly burn garbage (it stinks) put up four duck barns (probably 100,000 ducks) on my property line, built two huge horse barns that shed water into my riding ring (zoning said they were in code --my ring is down hill from their property), and don't vaccinate or worm their horses. Even so, I say hi when I see them, compliment the beautiful care they take of gardens and yards, admire their children's behavior, and generally try to be a good neighbor.

              I must say that years ago when I was feeding and soundly kicked by an old mare --the barn boy called an ambulance since I was knocked out and had a broken arm --the Amish neighbor closest immediately came over (I was told) and helped the boy finish feeding the horses and tidy the barn after I was hauled away. He asked my husband the next day if I was ok ----I think that's a good neighbor.

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                #8
                Double fence if you have the space for it: perimeter fence, mowed section, then horse fence. Though it may be tricky with your lot description. If you can't do that, I would recommend no climb with a hot wire top along the property line. It looks neat, but discourages horses from getting out, dogs from getting in, and people from reaching over. Signs are great, but don't immediately go for the 'in your face' type, that gives the vibe that you are the nasty neighbor, which cultivates them to be the nasty neighbor...
                Because, the hardest thing....is don't assume they will be difficult. Have a plan to go to immediately if they are, but don't assume it from the outset. Even non-horsey neighbors can be an asset, I have cultivated several. They know my horses though they have never touched them. They would know who to call if they saw a loose horse and they are also a second set of eyes watching for the real problem in the area which is the use of the dirt road for illicit activity. I on the other hand, know their dirt bikes on their property, and would know who to call if I saw dirt bikes that weren't theirs where they shouldn't be!
                I'm no saint, I have poor relations with another neighbor though, and nearly had to get a restraining order on a more distant one. But, in the latter case horses had nothing to do with it!
                My theory: protect my property politely, discretely, and securely, make my property look reasonable within what is expected in the local culture so no undue attention either positive or negative comes up, make friendly acquaintances where possible, and where not possible circle back to polite, discrete, and secure protection.

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                  #9
                  Do you have a survey? Like, are you SURE 100% that you know where your lot lines are? I'd get one asap if you don't. It's a whole lot easier to have a pleasant conversation citing pins and surveys early on rather than trying to play catch up later, should there be any confusion on their part.

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                    #10
                    During construction one thing I'd be watching for is how the contractors are disposing of garbage. I can't tell you how much crap I've dug out of my yard, and I don't have acreage! Just make sure it doesn't somehow end up on your side of the fence, is all I'm sayin'......

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by B and B View Post
                      Double fence
                      yes .... we are double fence on the public side and on adjoining areas where others have had livestock.

                      Our insurance carrier suggested the double fencing on the public side since we have three schools within a half mile. At least the sidewalk is on the opposite side of the street of the of the property .... but with the horses behind two fences which have a ten foot gap and the horses being no closer than 150 feet to sidewalk kids just do not make the effort to make an up close view of the horses..... well helps to have a large GSD that has free run of the area between the fences

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                        #12
                        thanks all! I Admit i'm expecting some hassels. however, i'm also checking in to my 'own' privacy fencing run, even if added to my own fenceposts on that side, to keep it on our propery.

                        ayrabz
                        "Indecision may or may not be my problem"
                        --Jimmy Buffett

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                          #13
                          Another vote for putting a 2nd fenceline inside the existing to leave a wide berth between your horses & Looky(orFeedy)Lous.
                          Since you mention a privacy fence of some sort between your properties, maybe let them know you are doing so to avoid any problems, not to be un-neighborly.

                          I had a neighbor - from across the road! - who thought she was doing me a favor by feeding my horses a teeny "bale" of alfalfa from her son's deceased hamster
                          I kindly explained it was important for me to know exactly what my horses ate & when they ate it.

                          Another lady stopped her car on the road - a good 75' from my pasture & separated from the road by a berm - so her kid could feed baby carrots to the (Shameless Beggar) horses. Nearly including the plastic bag the carrots came in.

                          IIWM, I'd be proactive & take some cake or cookies over to welcome the Newbs, being sure to mention that you welcome their interest in your horses only if you are present.
                          Blame potential biting, delicate equine digestion, whatever it takes to make them understand - as politely as possible - you are not a Petting Zoo.
                          And do mention that if they have any concerns - smell, flies, etc - you will do whatever you can to correct the perceived problem.

                          Fingers Crossed you get some good neighbors!
                          *friend of bar.ka*RIP all my lovely boys, gone too soon:
                          Steppin' Out 1988-2004
                          Hey Vern! 1982-2009, Cash's Bay Threat 1994-2009
                          Sam(Jaybee Altair) 1994-2015

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                            #14
                            BTDT. Put me on the double fence list. Post the property and make sure PD knows about it. Make sure you have liability that covers the horses. Be very assertive when it comes to what you personally can tolerate re: neighbors "visiting" horses and make sure they know the boundaries from the beginning. Be nice, but be firm. Very firm.

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                              #15
                              Yes. When I was out picking the paddock right on the property line I did indeed welcome them, and expressed we thought they may had moved away (were supposed to build after purchasing but never saw them again until this past day with their builder and surveyors) anyway. bad blood between us from the start. They were (are? dunno anymore) 'best friends' with the neighbor who split parcels out of his land and sold to them. that neighbor and our family had a falling out after i moved in (2014) to care for my mom. they felt mom 'didn't need' her dementia care, her walker, etc. We tried to be kind and thank them but that we were working with her Drs. --- long story short, they began driving in our lane, and walking into our house when they knew I was over at the barn (monitors, cell phone and beeper in hand for mom)...they frightened her, just walking into her bedroom. (mom had been fighting bronchitus, and had to decline a get together invitation at their home, and i guess they didn't believe us) anyway. it got so bad, we had to get social services involved, and they finally backed off, as it would have progressed badly for them. So. what I'm trying to share that long backstory for is: these 'new' neighbors are their best friends. and I'm sure have heard maliciousness for years over this. So, yes, i'm expecting a hard time. my poor mom. she's 86, and this is one more thing in her diminishing health she doesn't need.
                              ayrabz
                              "Indecision may or may not be my problem"
                              --Jimmy Buffett

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                                #16
                                In that case, I would never go an inch on their property. How horrible for their friends to trespass, and harass your mother, and you. From the first second, set a firm boundary, and don't let them start like their friends did.
                                You can't fix stupid-Ron White

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                                  #17
                                  Besides the fencing additionally and talking to them about treats, I would also add the comments about mown grass to make sure they do not try to dump clippings right along your fence thinking they are giving the horsies extra green yummies. If they are nice maybe they will even try to mow where the clippings go away from your fenceline. Ask if they garden and maybe you can make friends offering compost to them too. All the best of luck!! My neighbors luckily were excited when we started putting up our fences that they would get to see horses out n about. I let them get compost from me provided they do it when I am home, since electric fences and horses lol.

                                  My one neighbor gets apples n pears from our orchard, I made sure all neighbors have my number God forbid anything happens n horses get loose while I am at work. They also were introduced to both dogs and the outdoor cat so they know the cat is vaccinated and playful in case he wanders over by their homes and they get a scratch while playing with him and they know if one of my dogs ends up by their place to call me since they are indoor dogs and that means I do not know they are out n about lol.

                                  Go talk to them and get a feel for them, you may be pleasantly surprised!

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                                    #18
                                    That's why I suggested you post signs about not feeding or petting the horses and private facility etc. now before they move in, so they don't think you are targeting them specifically with the signs. When you do it after you catch them in the act of feeding or petting, it doesn't go over very well, I know from experience.

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                                      #19
                                      That's why I suggested you post signs about not feeding or petting the horses and private facility etc
                                      one thing I was told about signage was it can be used against you also ..unless you go to the extra effort to mitigate the problem. (also Signs are worthless when it comes to minors who are not expected to read or understand the meaning of the signage)

                                      Nice to have, but make sure you have done everything within reason to eliminate the problem

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                                        #20
                                        OP, these old neighbors resent you for moving in to take care of your mom? I guess they were friends of hers? Are they closer to her age? Might be seeing their own mortality. Either way, maybe the new neighbors will try to be a bridge between you and their friends. With their house being so close to your barn, they might prioritize being friendly with you.

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