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    Hello,

    My husband and I have been looking for a while now for horse properties. I plan on having one or maybe two at most horses. I would prefer something with the infrastructure already in place and enough land to be able to ride outside of a ring. We have looked at many properties. It is VERY hard to find what I am describing at a price that is doable.

    Now we have come across a property that is 30 acres and has about 10 of it I would guess fenced. There is a small house, which is fine, and a gigantic (4000 sf) barn. It was a boarding barn at one point and has 26 stalls. With me only really needing a small barn, is this just too big to manage? What would you do with all of the additional stalls? I don't mind just leaving them, but I want a clean barn and minimal critters. Is this just too big? The land is perfect, and as I said, it has been incredibly hard to find something with the acreage, a decent commuting distance into town, already has the infrastructure in place, and is a price that is affordable. Would you proceed?

    #2
    If the Only worrisome thing is the big barn ???!!

    IMHO ~ one should snap the property up !

    A large sound barn is always Helpful for :

    storage .... for EVERYTHING !
    indoor riding / ground work
    isolation if need be

    * most of the time one finds horse / home property

    trailer trash home with huge nice barn
    or
    million dollar home with a shitty shed

    Good Luck ~ Jingles for your move wherever you decide to land.


    * always best to find a property with the main structures as re-modeling is less stressful then building from scratch ...
    Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "

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      #3
      boy do I wish I had that problem! My barn was perfect when I moved in, but we've outgrown it and are looking to do a second expansion.... But not everyone collects horses, or gets into sporthorse breeding.

      If the only problem is the barn size, and the property and price are perfect, I wouldn't hesitate.
      You could use the empty stalls for hay (much easier to keep hay on a ground floor, not in a loft), shavings (loose or baled), convert one into a "blanket room" (hang drying racks on one wall, shelves for Rubbermaid tubs for cleaned/stored blankets, and blanket bars to hang coolers, scrims, etc), if there's no workshop, convert a few into one (you'll acquire lots of power tools, attachments, spare parts, etc. Much easier to have a large area to store and use them).

      You could even modify them and offer them as storage units (if you're willing to have a small handful of strangers have access to your property. I wouldn't want that, but I've heard of people doing that (storing cars, RVs, boats,
      etc) and making a fair bit of side hustle money.
      A good man can make you feel sexy, strong, and able to take on the world.... oh, sorry.... that's wine...wine does that...

      http://elementfarm.blogspot.com/

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        #4
        Yes, I am worried that it will take too much upkeep, that areas not used will be full of cobwebs and mice which brings snakes unless cleaned regularly, the cost of heating it (not sure if there is anything in already in place), lighting it inside and out, and things like siding/paint or reroofing it would be a major expense, etc. There is a large tack room, wash station, office, and a hayloft that spans the entire upstairs of the barn. I will probably not use 90% of it and am worried about the cost of maintaining it and the time in keeping it up. I don't want to start a boarding business, so I am just wondering if having 26 stalls when I will need at most 2 is just too big to manage. My husband will be helpful, but the workshop is more his hobby, so this will primarily fall on me to keep up.

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          #5
          Buy it !!

          Sell some of the stalls you don't want and free up that space for storage. Trailers, lawn equipment, hobbies...all of that can happen in that space.

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            #6
            Thank you for the suggestions ElementFarm. I wouldn't call the property perfect, but it is the closest we have found to fitting our needs. It has been sitting vacant for a while, and all of it needs a LOT of work, which is why the price fits our budget. With all the other things this property will need, I am worried about the expense of taking on such as large barn. We are generally pretty meticulous about maintaining things. We talked about maybe boarding and that sort of thing, but we don't want the people coming and going. I'm leaning towards moving forward, but I thought maybe there were things I hadn't thought of that would stop someone more knowledgeable than myself from moving forward.

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              #7
              I understand your ^ concerns .... perhaps ask a horse friend to go ‘look’ and critic / problem solve ... usage and upkeep ideas.

              A large barn does not require you to have more horses or boarders or have storage renters ....
              just for you and yours ..

              I, honestly believe a large barn offering offering space for tractor / trailer storage if need be ...
              winter turnout
              a round pen for ground work


              cobwebs and snakes and other critters will happen regardless of the size of a barn just part of equine activities

              While I commend your idea of a clean barn ...

              I encourage you to focus on your horse fun and let some of the cobweb control go.

              ENJOY !!!!
              Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "

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                #8
                Originally posted by wisteria View Post
                Yes, I am worried that it will take too much upkeep, that areas not used will be full of cobwebs and mice which brings snakes unless cleaned regularly, the cost of heating it (not sure if there is anything in already in place), lighting it inside and out, and things like siding/paint or reroofing it would be a major expense, etc. There is a large tack room, wash station, office, and a hayloft that spans the entire upstairs of the barn. I will probably not use 90% of it and am worried about the cost of maintaining it and the time in keeping it up. I don't want to start a boarding business, so I am just wondering if having 26 stalls when I will need at most 2 is just too big to manage. My husband will be helpful, but the workshop is more his hobby, so this will primarily fall on me to keep up.
                And taxes on structure/assets you don't need or will use.
                Does make more sense to pass that one up.

                Still, for the right price, why not, if there is nothing else that will work for you?

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                  #9
                  Thanks TMares! I didn't know there would be a market for the stalls. I think this would work out! Much easier to maintain the open areas, and this property will definitely need some equipment to keep it up. Let me ask this - would it bother anyone here that a murderer lived on the property prior and that he burned his victim out on the back of this land? I've gotten mixed reactions from friends when I tell them this little piece of info. It really doesn't bother me, but if we ever have to sell, I am wondering if it would be a major drawback. I have the feeling that is one of the reasons it is not selling and is currently below market.

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                    #10
                    What region are you looking in? I only ask because the facility my retiree just moved out of (because it's for sale) sounds exactly like what you're looking for, it's in the Cincinnati, OH (Loveland) area.

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                      #11
                      I am in central Virginia. Here is the Trulia link.

                      https://www.trulia.com/p/va/chesterf...1#lil-mediaTab

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                        #12
                        This link starts with the first picture. For some reason the prior link started halfway through.

                        https://www.trulia.com/p/va/chesterf...0#lil-mediaTab

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                          #13
                          If you only are considering having 1 horse it may be much cheaper and easier to find a really nice boarding situation and not worry about upkeep of a farm, farm equipment, and all else that comes with it. Board and keep looking for a small m
                          easily manageable property.

                          They don't show the interior of the house?, from just the one picture of the interior of the barn I can see cob webs hanging from the rafters, the outside looks like it needs repair. Fence needs paint and there is a lot of fencing. You can see that it has bee mowed, that many acres for 1 or 2 horses is too much and too much work.

                          You are correct in thinking it will be a lot of maintenance and you will need farm equipment to keep it that way; i.e. tractor, pasture groomer, bush-hog.

                          From just the pictures, just looks like a lot to maintain, a swimming pool, deck that needs re-staining, barn needs repairs, maybe some parts need new roof, it needs repair and cleaning, house interior???, fence needs repainting, property is lovely but I think if you aren't willing to invest the time and money for fixing it up and keeping it up I would pass.

                          If you don't own a horse now there is no rush, find a small property and build the barn that will suit 1 or 2 horses and enough land to fence that will meet smaller horse needs and a house that will suit your needs and have better resale.

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                            #14
                            Lovely place that, but yes, maintenance there will be a full time job.
                            Those kinds of wood structures keep needing labor intensive repairs very often, even when not in use, or they start falling down.

                            With all those ponds, will water regulations be harsh, where you can't use some of that land?

                            Maybe check with your local Farm Service agency, request their maps, see how that is listed, if you can graze by that water or has to be fenced with a certain set-back distance, etc.

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                              #15
                              For those who have done this before, are the stalls shown in the pics the type that would be worthwhile to disassemble and sell? They’re not the usual freestanding type or the metal kit type that I’m familiar with.

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by wisteria View Post
                                Thanks TMares! I didn't know there would be a market for the stalls. I think this would work out! Much easier to maintain the open areas, and this property will definitely need some equipment to keep it up. Let me ask this - would it bother anyone here that a murderer lived on the property prior and that he burned his victim out on the back of this land? I've gotten mixed reactions from friends when I tell them this little piece of info. It really doesn't bother me, but if we ever have to sell, I am wondering if it would be a major drawback. I have the feeling that is one of the reasons it is not selling and is currently below market.
                                How long has it currently been on the market? How well publicized was the murder and disposal on the body?

                                I believe in many states it is law that you have to inform buyers of things like this. There is no doubt that for some people it would be an issue.
                                "You can't fix stupid"- Ron White

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                                  #17
                                  Hi Bluey, the ponds aren't so much of the problem as the creek that runs along the back of the property. The creek creates a 100-year flood plan for the whole back portion of the land. While I am free to use the land, there are restrictions on what I can do with it. I can't build any structures or put fencing back there, which is fine, since there is more than enough land fenced and the other structures are out of the flood plain. I would use that portion of the land for riding horses and ATVs, etc.

                                  I do think the barn is too close to the property line and wouldn't pass proper setbacks by today's standards, but it must be grandfathered in because it is listed with the county as a permitted structure.

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                                    #18
                                    I rescind my two previous posts ...

                                    I visualized an empty barn with stalls running down one side with Lots of open space.

                                    it is not ^ ....

                                    imho ...TOO many maintenance issues with this set up - inside and outside

                                    I would pass on this property and continue to look •

                                    Good Luck ~


                                    Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "

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                                      #19
                                      there are several things that concern me but primary is Why is that one pond in the center of the property Lime Green ? Appears to be contaminated, possibly there is a septic system running into that pond

                                      Other things none of the structures appear to be of any value so is the land worth the asking price?

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                                        #20
                                        It has been on the market a while. The murder was a big deal here. The guy killed his ex-wife's boyfriend and shot her (pregnant) multiple times at a different location, but she managed to survive. He then brought the boyfriend back to this place and tried to burn the body. He then got his mother, brother and a friend involved in a murder for hire situation where he wanted them to go kill the witnesses to the murder. He is doing 2 life sentences plus 40+ years.

                                        Here in Virginia, you don't have to disclose that sort of thing. Virginia is a buyer beware state, and the onus is on the buyer to do their homework. It doesn't really bother me, but I think, based on the mixed reactions from friends, that it could definitely be an issue for some people. I wouldn't expect to have to sell it, but I do a lot of real estate investing and having an out is always a consideration before purchasing.

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