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  • #41
    Originally posted by btswass View Post
    Are horses smart enough to go in on their own during a bad storm?
    not really, they often seek shelter in natural settings thus standing next a tree could be hit by lightening ....none of ours have been hit but I have seen horses knocked to the ground by lightening striking pipe fencing

    Also several of the horses that I took care of while in college once they were retired from showing turned out to pasture were kill by lightening when

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      #42
      So are horses more likely to get hit by lightening at night or during the day? For people that work during the day you can’t just run home to bring them in how do you deal with that?
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      • #43
        Most of the storms are in the afternoon, but they can pop up at any time. I just have a run-in and my mare always heads inside when the storms start. Eventually, I'd love to build a small concrete block barn. It's a pain each year to make sure I have a place to take her if a hurricane hits.

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          #44
          Originally posted by Belair View Post
          Most of the storms are in the afternoon, but they can pop up at any time. I just have a run-in and my mare always heads inside when the storms start. Eventually, I'd love to build a small concrete block barn. It's a pain each year to make sure I have a place to take her if a hurricane hits.


          We’re planning to build a 32x36 concrete barn. Will be more expensive but I’d rather hold off on an arena and have them safe in the barn and not have to worry about evacuating.
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          • #45
            We moved to Florida last summer, we spent about a year looking at different areas and ended up buying near Bushnell. It’s about a hour to Tampa, Orlando and Ocala we chose the area because of the proximity to the cities for work. Prior we lived in the Midwest and the northeast I had always said I would never move to FL due to the summers but between polar vortex’s and increased temperatures in the summer I realized there would be fewer overall weeks of miserable weather.

            We have three horses on ten acers I just started feeding hay about two weeks ago, because we picked up hay in the field the price wasn’t outrageous BUT I have easy keepers with no health issues so that wouldn’t work for everyone. I was told to buy about a months worth of hay at a time due to mold loss and also if you feed any grains that’s prone to spoil to only keep a weeks worth.

            The big negatives so far have been my mare rolled on a fire ant hill (vet visit & steroids), opening my front door and finding a coral snake eating a garter snake there and the armadillos.
            The great horse community, the educational opportunities & shows, and the diversity of people makes up for a lot. Also we are very lucky to have had a breeze nearly everyday last summer which made being outside bearable- not pleasant but bearable. The softer ground means my horses are now all barefoot, I haven’t had any skin or foot fungus issues. We have had no ticks and no horseflies along with minimal other bugs but our horse community is all like minded in horse care, manure management etc which was just luck.
            Re lightning and hurricanes of course I worry but having been in a area with a lot of tornadoes and flooding I decided there’s only so much you can do I take reasonable precautions and then don’t allow my mind to overwhelm me with “what if’s”

            My neighbor works in hotel construction (iirc a job site foreman) he said part of the reason they chose this area was the relatively easier drive to neighboring states for jobs. Idk if that would factor in for you but it also was a consideration for us.

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            • #46
              Can’t find the original source, but I think this was originally a joke blog entitled Diary of a Northerner Living in Florida
              //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

              April 30th:
              Florida is fantastic! Just got here and love it already. Now this is a state that knows how to live!! Beautiful sunny days and warm balmy evenings. What a place! Watched the sunset from a park lying on a blanket. It was beautiful. I've finally found my home. I love it here.

              May 14th:
              Really heating up. Got to 89 today. Not a problem, live in an air-conditioned home, drive an air-conditioned car. What a pleasure to see the sun every day like this. I'm turning into a real sun worshipper.

              June 5th:
              Had the backyard landscaped with tropical plants today. Lots of palms and rocks. What a breeze to maintain. No more mowing for me. NO MORE SHOVELING SNOW EITHER! Another scorcher today, but I love it here.

              July 1st:
              The temperature hasn't been below 90 all week, not even at night. Where are those ocean breezes we heard about, still seems hot. Getting used to it will take a while, I guess. I sure miss my LP collection, though.I'll have to remember not to leave anything made out of plastic in my car. Got one of those fuzzy steering wheel covers, Cheaper than the burn ointment for my hands. I always wondered what burnt flesh smelled like.

              July 15th:
              Fell asleep by the pool. (Got 3rd degree burns over 60% of my body.). Missed two days of work, what a dumb thing to do. I learned my lesson though: got to respect the ol' sun in a climate like this.

              July 25th:
              Ocean breezes, my ass. Hot is hot!! The home air conditioner is on the fritz and AC repairman charged $200 just to drive by and tell me he needed to order parts. Only hope for a break in the heat would be a hurricane.

              July 30th:
              Been sleeping outside by the pool for three nights now. Swatting the swamp mosquitos that are as big as B-52's. $2,500 in darn house payments and we can't even go inside. Why did I ever come here?

              Aug 4th:
              100 degrees. Finally got the air conditioner fixed today. It cost $500 and gets the temperature down to about 90. The electric bill is almost as much as the house payment. And two old lady drivers almost ran me off the road. I hate this state.

              Aug 8th:
              If another wise jerk cracks, "Hot enough for you today?" I'm going to tear his head off. Damn heat! By the time I get to work the radiator is boiling over, my clothes are soaking wet, and I smell like roasted Chicken !!

              Aug 10th:
              The weather report might as well be a damn recording: Hot and sunny. It's been too hot for two #@*& months and the weatherman says it might really warm up next week. And who came up with the statement "it maybe hot, but at least you don't have to shovel it" should die from heat exhaustion. Doesn't it ever rain in this God forsaken place??

              Aug 14th:
              Welcome to Hell!!! Temperature got to 102 today. Forgot to crack the window and blew the windshield out of the Lincoln. The installer came to fix it and said, "Hot enough for you today?" My wife had to spend the $2,500 house payment to bail me out of jail.

              Aug 30th:
              Worst day of the summer. I'm not leaving the house. The monsoon rains finally came and all they did is to make it muggier than hell and drove the damned roaches out of the ground. I wasn't aware they could fly!The Lincoln is now floating somewhere in the Caribbean with its new $500 windshield. That does it, we're moving back to New York where all you have to worry about is getting mugged, I hope this state breaks in half and floats to Cuba.
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              • #47
                Originally posted by btswass View Post
                So about lightening. People seem to be saying they don’t turn out at night because of storms but I thought the storms occurred more in the afternoons? We plan on having stalls lead right out to the paddocks. Are horses smart enough to go in on their own during a bad storm?
                From what I've learned, the biggest risk is when you have them out in a field that has just one big tree. They huddle under that one tree, which of course is a magnet for lightning. If the pastures have multiple trees, it's not as big of a risk. This is just what I've found from hours of research so, take it with a grain of salt.
                I agree with the person that said they'll usually choose to take shelter under a tree before the stall, even with free access to the stall.

                During rainy season (summer), yeah the storms and showers are *usually* between 1-4pm, but they can pop up any time. No one told me, before we moved, that "rainy season" actually meant "thunderstorm with insane lightning season." That first storm was terrifying.

                In the dry season (winter), rain is rare, but at least where I am, when it rains that once per month or once per six weeks, it RAINS. For like 12+ hours straight, down-pouring. The winter rains are usually just rain, not as much thunder/lightning.
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                • #48
                  I lost one of my favorite cows to a lightning strike. She was under a big fairly isolated oak tree in the higher part of the pasture. After we lost her, the other cows never grazed the grass under that tree. It was always long.

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                    #49
                    Thanks for continued info.

                    Good news is that I sold my business! That’s a huge weight off my chest and one step closer to Florida.
                    Bad news is houses with land near Wellington area are beyond expensive its crazy. I know many people mentioned other parts of the state but thats where our family is (Jupiter and Delray) and we really want to be near them.

                    For those who live in a horse community how do you like it? We’re interested in a house in Caloosa. Seems like it would be really nice to be able to go for a trail ride without having to trailer out and having arenas to use without needing to build our own and maintain it. Living with like minded people and being able to walk down the road without idiots flying past me sounds lovely.

                    For those in south Florida is it even possible to get a halfway decent house with 4-5 acres and barn for less than $500k? Doesn’t seem like it...unless for some reason a lot more properties go for sale after WEF ends. It’s insane how much home prices have increased in just the past few years. They’ve pretty much doubled
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                    • #50
                      HI. I used to live in Stuart. There is a very nice equine community in Palm City, just west of Stuart and just north of Jupiter. Easy commute to Wellington also. It's in Martin County, so IIRC stricter development rules.....
                      On another note, Caloosa was very wet when I lived in Stuart (and I also lived in western Palm Beach County, for a while). Be sure the land you are considering has good drainage. Remember winter is our dry season.

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                        #51
                        Originally posted by lorilu View Post
                        HI. I used to live in Stuart. There is a very nice equine community in Palm City, just west of Stuart and just north of Jupiter. Easy commute to Wellington also. It's in Martin County, so IIRC stricter development rules.....
                        On another note, Caloosa was very wet when I lived in Stuart (and I also lived in western Palm Beach County, for a while). Be sure the land you are considering has good drainage. Remember winter is our dry season.
                        Good info thanks. We have been looking in Martin county as well. We’re heading down mid April to spend a week driving around. When would you consider “winter”/dry season ending? Not until June?
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                          #52
                          Originally posted by Dressagelvr View Post
                          Can’t find the original source, but I think this was originally a joke blog entitled Diary of a Northerner Living in Florida
                          //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

                          April 30th:
                          Florida is fantastic! Just got here and love it already. Now this is a state that knows how to live!! Beautiful sunny days and warm balmy evenings. What a place! Watched the sunset from a park lying on a blanket. It was beautiful. I've finally found my home. I love it here.

                          May 14th:
                          Really heating up. Got to 89 today. Not a problem, live in an air-conditioned home, drive an air-conditioned car. What a pleasure to see the sun every day like this. I'm turning into a real sun worshipper.

                          June 5th:
                          Had the backyard landscaped with tropical plants today. Lots of palms and rocks. What a breeze to maintain. No more mowing for me. NO MORE SHOVELING SNOW EITHER! Another scorcher today, but I love it here.

                          July 1st:
                          The temperature hasn't been below 90 all week, not even at night. Where are those ocean breezes we heard about, still seems hot. Getting used to it will take a while, I guess. I sure miss my LP collection, though.I'll have to remember not to leave anything made out of plastic in my car. Got one of those fuzzy steering wheel covers, Cheaper than the burn ointment for my hands. I always wondered what burnt flesh smelled like.

                          July 15th:
                          Fell asleep by the pool. (Got 3rd degree burns over 60% of my body.). Missed two days of work, what a dumb thing to do. I learned my lesson though: got to respect the ol' sun in a climate like this.

                          July 25th:
                          Ocean breezes, my ass. Hot is hot!! The home air conditioner is on the fritz and AC repairman charged $200 just to drive by and tell me he needed to order parts. Only hope for a break in the heat would be a hurricane.

                          July 30th:
                          Been sleeping outside by the pool for three nights now. Swatting the swamp mosquitos that are as big as B-52's. $2,500 in darn house payments and we can't even go inside. Why did I ever come here?

                          Aug 4th:
                          100 degrees. Finally got the air conditioner fixed today. It cost $500 and gets the temperature down to about 90. The electric bill is almost as much as the house payment. And two old lady drivers almost ran me off the road. I hate this state.

                          Aug 8th:
                          If another wise jerk cracks, "Hot enough for you today?" I'm going to tear his head off. Damn heat! By the time I get to work the radiator is boiling over, my clothes are soaking wet, and I smell like roasted Chicken !!

                          Aug 10th:
                          The weather report might as well be a damn recording: Hot and sunny. It's been too hot for two #@*& months and the weatherman says it might really warm up next week. And who came up with the statement "it maybe hot, but at least you don't have to shovel it" should die from heat exhaustion. Doesn't it ever rain in this God forsaken place??

                          Aug 14th:
                          Welcome to Hell!!! Temperature got to 102 today. Forgot to crack the window and blew the windshield out of the Lincoln. The installer came to fix it and said, "Hot enough for you today?" My wife had to spend the $2,500 house payment to bail me out of jail.

                          Aug 30th:
                          Worst day of the summer. I'm not leaving the house. The monsoon rains finally came and all they did is to make it muggier than hell and drove the damned roaches out of the ground. I wasn't aware they could fly!The Lincoln is now floating somewhere in the Caribbean with its new $500 windshield. That does it, we're moving back to New York where all you have to worry about is getting mugged, I hope this state breaks in half and floats to Cuba.
                          The difference up north is when our furnace finally dies its $10,000 to fix it and there is no getting around it by dealing with the cold because then all the pipes will freeze and burst. A couple years ago came home to what sounded like a gushing waterfall in our basement. On Valentine’s Day. Still say I’d rather deal with it being too hot than too cold.

                          No frozen pipes, no cracked windshield from ice, no digging out of snow, no slipping on ice, no frozen water buckets or frozen hoses, no cold hands and feet and noses and everything, no hibernating and getting fat all winter, no mud. I could go on. I know there are plenty of cons to living in Florida but right now the pros outweigh the cons
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                          • #53
                            Originally posted by btswass View Post

                            Good info thanks. We have been looking in Martin county as well. We’re heading down mid April to spend a week driving around. When would you consider “winter”/dry season ending? Not until June?
                            April is the driest month historically.. It starts getting rainier in May. Here is a graph. If you really want to see if the land is well drained, check back at the end of the summer, say in August. Scroll down the page a bit. Lots of info on this page.... https://www.weather-us.com/en/florid...-beach-climate

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                            • #54
                              You sound pretty set, and certainly winter in Florida is FAR preferable to the NE. (My parents are in Maine. I know of what I speak.) However, for what it's worth, we have an "off season" here too--summer. You may think you understand heat/humidity. You have NO IDEA. You may think you understand wet, and bugs--you don't. I lived in Gainesville for seven years, then southwest FL (same latitude as WPB) for 8, and now am thankfully back in the northern part of the state. You couldn't pay me to go back below Ocala. Between the sand and the wet, their feet fall apart in the summer (good luck keeping shoes on). From July-September it's too hot to ride unless you ride at night (when it will still be 90 degrees, just not with direct sun) or have a covered arena. When I say too hot to ride, I mean both you and the horse are in imminent danger of heat stroke from walking. Heat indexes are regularly around 115-120. For a non-sweater, increase that danger about a thousand-fold.

                              I've had a $500 vet bill for a horse who was bitten in the face by a snake in his pasture.

                              Yes, horses frequently get struck by lighting. They can also be injured when lightning strikes near them-- a friend's mare was not directly struck, but was in the pasture, and the charge traveled through the ground and shattered the mare's coffin bones. I've never met one yet that was smart enough to go to shelter on its own, and lightning strikes outside of the rainy area. A horse that reliably goes inside during rain can still get struck.

                              In all honesty, I've met a number of northerner horse people who moved here....and wish they hadn't. I'd strongly encourage you to plan to spend time here in August, before buying anything. What looks great in February is VERY different in the midst of a Florida summer.

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                              • #55
                                Originally posted by btswass View Post
                                Thanks for continued info.

                                Good news is that I sold my business! That’s a huge weight off my chest and one step closer to Florida.
                                Bad news is houses with land near Wellington area are beyond expensive its crazy. I know many people mentioned other parts of the state but thats where our family is (Jupiter and Delray) and we really want to be near them.

                                For those who live in a horse community how do you like it? We’re interested in a house in Caloosa. Seems like it would be really nice to be able to go for a trail ride without having to trailer out and having arenas to use without needing to build our own and maintain it. Living with like minded people and being able to walk down the road without idiots flying past me sounds lovely.

                                For those in south Florida is it even possible to get a halfway decent house with 4-5 acres and barn for less than $500k? Doesn’t seem like it...unless for some reason a lot more properties go for sale after WEF ends. It’s insane how much home prices have increased in just the past few years. They’ve pretty much doubled
                                Congrats on selling the business!

                                We looked at a farm in Loxahatchee with a nice 4/2.5 house, 9 acres and a 6 stall barn. It was listed for $600-something but sold for $565k and it was turnkey. The same place in the village of Wellington would be double or more, though.
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                                  #56
                                  Originally posted by TBKate View Post
                                  You sound pretty set, and certainly winter in Florida is FAR preferable to the NE. (My parents are in Maine. I know of what I speak.) However, for what it's worth, we have an "off season" here too--summer. You may think you understand heat/humidity. You have NO IDEA. You may think you understand wet, and bugs--you don't. I lived in Gainesville for seven years, then southwest FL (same latitude as WPB) for 8, and now am thankfully back in the northern part of the state. You couldn't pay me to go back below Ocala. Between the sand and the wet, their feet fall apart in the summer (good luck keeping shoes on). From July-September it's too hot to ride unless you ride at night (when it will still be 90 degrees, just not with direct sun) or have a covered arena. When I say too hot to ride, I mean both you and the horse are in imminent danger of heat stroke from walking. Heat indexes are regularly around 115-120. For a non-sweater, increase that danger about a thousand-fold.

                                  I've had a $500 vet bill for a horse who was bitten in the face by a snake in his pasture.

                                  Yes, horses frequently get struck by lighting. They can also be injured when lightning strikes near them-- a friend's mare was not directly struck, but was in the pasture, and the charge traveled through the ground and shattered the mare's coffin bones. I've never met one yet that was smart enough to go to shelter on its own, and lightning strikes outside of the rainy area. A horse that reliably goes inside during rain can still get struck.

                                  In all honesty, I've met a number of northerner horse people who moved here....and wish they hadn't. I'd strongly encourage you to plan to spend time here in August, before buying anything. What looks great in February is VERY different in the midst of a Florida summer.
                                  I guess it comes down to how important it is for us to be close to family and friends. All our family and friends are in the west palm area. We’ve never lived closer than two hours from family and it gets lonely. We’ve spent 6 years in the hudson valley and we still don’t have any close friends. I’m sure I would much prefer north Florida for the weather and the much cheaper homes and better area for horses but I’m pretty set on staying close to family. I think it will make our lives more enjoyable and is worth the cons of the area.
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                                  • #57
                                    Another vote for Central Florida vs South Florida. Way cheaper. Not as bad in the summer. Many accessible show venues if that's your thing. Traffic continues to get worse but still WAY better than South Florida, especially near the coast. Easier horse keeping. Just an hour and a half from the beach. And a quick shot down the turnpike to visit family.

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                                    • #58
                                      We moved to be closer to family in the end it's not all we thought it would be . I'd say being within 1-2 hours of family would be plenty close; however, traffic in FL can be a pita so might need to factor that in.

                                      Also, in the Southern parts of FL there can be issues with gators, so try to avoid properties with ponds or near water, not as much a threat to horses as small pets, though large animals can be at risk also.

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                                        #59
                                        Originally posted by happilyretired View Post
                                        Another vote for Central Florida vs South Florida. Way cheaper. Not as bad in the summer. Many accessible show venues if that's your thing. Traffic continues to get worse but still WAY better than South Florida, especially near the coast. Easier horse keeping. Just an hour and a half from the beach. And a quick shot down the turnpike to visit family.
                                        My husband won’t live further than an hour from the beach. And no further than an hour from Jupiter which would put our other family in Delray close to 2 hours away. Preferably we’d like to stay in the middle between Jupiter and Delray. Also better jobs in that area. There’s got to be a reason prices are half as much in Ocala...we can’t get stuck with what we have now which is rural with very limited job opportunities. I think thats all Ocala would be
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                                          Originally posted by btswass View Post
                                          Still say I’d rather deal with it being too hot than too cold.

                                          No frozen pipes, no cracked windshield from ice, no digging out of snow, no slipping on ice, no frozen water buckets or frozen hoses, no cold hands and feet and noses and everything, no hibernating and getting fat all winter, no mud. I could go on. I know there are plenty of cons to living in Florida but right now the pros outweigh the cons
                                          Completely agree with this. I detest winter, personally. It annoyed me to no end when people went all coo-coo when I'd say I wanted to move to Florida. "It's so hot, it's so humid, the bugs, oh my!"
                                          Look, everyone deals with temps differently, and if you'd rather be hot than cold, then go for it. It's really. Not. That. Bad. In my opinion, anyway. In one place, like Ohio, you have a dumb-hot-humid summer, a horrendous winter with snow+ice+below freezing temps, and a cold, wet spring with knee-deep mud. In the other place, you have a dumb-hot-humid summer that's a bit longer, and an absolutely gorgeous winter and spring. (Autumn no longer exists, really). I'm absolutely LOVING the latter. Hands. Down.
                                          All three summers I've been here I've had no problem riding 5-6 days per week all summer without a covered, but I am a bit north of where you're looking. I stick to the formula:
                                          Real temperature (°F) + Humidity %
                                          <120 = safe to ride
                                          120-150 = ride with caution
                                          >150 = don't ride

                                          The sand and wet are a bit of a downside for their feet through the summer, but none of mine, at least, have completely fallen apart. Turpentine, Coppertox, and Iodine help a ton.

                                          I saw a nice property on Zillow in Okeechobee the other day. 3/3, 6 acres, barn, $499k. An hour to Jupiter.
                                          Last edited by mmeqcenter; Feb. 6, 2020, 07:18 PM.
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