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  • Miniature Horse - New Owner Questions

    Hi All!

    Preface - I did a search already, but I've found a lot of conflicting reports, so wanted to start something new for 2019.

    My husband surprised me for my birthday with a miniature horse. I'm over the moon excited, he's a 5 year old gelding, he's trained to drive, and I'm excited to hit the road to show this little guy next year in some driving classes. He showed up from Equine Express on Sunday in a giant box stall -- all the way from Ohio to Texas.

    BUT!

    I have multiple logistical questions that I can just not find a straight answer on.

    1) Feeding: I've been giving him half a flake of alfalfa morning and night, but I assume he'll need a ration balancer or a feed specifically for minis? Any recommendations? He's fat as a house - 31'' and 550 pounds so I don't want to be overfeeding him... but I'm used to my hunt seat horses who eat at least four flakes a day plus two scoops of Purina AM/PM. Someone on the internet said stick to grass hays with minis -- which, I can certainly pick some up if needed, but my alfalfa is soft and leafy so is it really the worst ever?

    2) Trailering: I'm going to need to take him to my vet (30 minutes) to at the very least get a certificate that he is gelded for his paperwork (papers say stallion currently). However... I haul an oversized three horse without stud dividers. Would he be okay in that? I feel ridiculous hauling a 31'' horse in my one ton + 3 horse, but there is a 50/50 split on the internet of "haul in your SUV if you've got a secure space" vs "never put a horse in a car". I haul my three German Shepherds in the back of my SUV occasionally - how big of a cardinal sin is it to consider building some kind of box stall for the back of the car when this horse occasionally has to go somewhere like the vet solo?

    3) Supplies: Any suggestions on the best place to buy supplies for minis? Halters? Blankets? A cart that I can show in? Obviously, there are tons of results on the internet - but I do like first hand recommendations.


    Again, I'm very very excited. I've had horses for 20 years and currently have eight full sized horses here at my place. I've raised foals, I've owned a stallion, I've shown across the country. I'm very familiar with the ins and outs of managing horses in general... I'm just not well versed in what, if anything, is different for poquito ponies. TIA!
    Veni vidi vici. With a paint pony, nonetheless.

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    I don't have any mini experience, but how would you contain it if he decided to pee in your SUV? That would be my biggest worry.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Arelle View Post
      .. I'm just not well versed in what, if anything, is different for poquito ponies. TIA!
      nothing is different other than the size, their brain thinks they are a little over 17h

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      • #4
        I don't know my minis, but have always had ponies in the 11-12 H range. At 31" and 550 lbs he's obese and should be on a strict diet. For reference my 12H (48") pony is around 600-625 lbs in good shape.

        These smaller ones can frequently stay fat almost on air. In my barn he would be getting grass hay, possibly soaked to remove sugars, and a ration balancer with no grass.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Mango20 View Post
          I don't have any mini experience, but how would you contain it if he decided to pee in your SUV? That would be my biggest worry.
          IF I did it, I wouldn't just throw him in there; I'd make sure I had a space that was made appropriate to contain a horse. Most people have mentioned tarps and heavy duty canvas covered by ample shavings. There are several examples of therapy horses being transported in human vehicles, I just want to ensure it's done in the safest manner possible IF it's done at all. A quick Google search shows more in line with what I would probably build IF I were to do it.

          The biggest concern would be the horse becoming a projectile if there was an accident and minimizing the chance of that. However, if I haul him in my horse trailer, he fits under my dividers and my tie rings are all up high, so not sure it's safer for him. Again, I'm not set on anything in particular - I'm not exactly enthralled with the idea of my car smelling like manure..

          I'll probably start searching for a purpose built mini trailer or an adaptation, especially if we do start showing and need to bring a cart, etc. I wouldn't want it to be a permanent solution. This is just a "people who HAVE done it for short trips as needed, what are your thoughts/experiences and how big of a cardinal sin is it" kind of question.




          Veni vidi vici. With a paint pony, nonetheless.

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          • #6
            I wouldn't chance hauling a mini in an SUV.
            Can you borrow a 2H trailer? Stock would be ideal.
            I haul my 34" guy in the back of my 16' stock, his cart goes in front. Center gate between them.

            Are you sure on that weight?
            550# for 31" is obese, my guy is around 300# & needs to lose some belly.
            He gets to keep it for Winter, come Spring he gets less feed & more work.

            Minis are the Kings & Queens of founder.
            You might have to muzzle or limit grazing if you have lush pasture
            They do not need rich feed - hay or grain.
            I feed grass hay - orchard grass/Timothy - and whole oats to all my horses.
            Mini gets 1/2 flake, so around 2.5-3#, 3X a day & a literal handful of oats twice.
            I supplement with BOSS (1 tbsp) & a probiotic.

            clanter is right.
            Nobody told my guy 34" is not the same as 18h.
            On drives he keeps right up with the horses & Drafts in my Club.
            Driver ahead of me is always turning around to say "He's still here?!"
            *friend of bar.ka*RIP all my lovely boys, gone too soon:
            Steppin' Out 1988-2004
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            • #7
              Welcome to the world of minis!
              A dry lot and a scale to weigh your hay with will be your friends . My minis get 1.5 pound of hay for each 100 lbs of their weight (based on their ideal weight you want them to be, not the weight that they are if they are, um, portly).
              I trailer mine in my two horse trailer with the front partition off so that they cannot get to the escape doors and monkey around with the latches in transit. I would not transport mine in an SUV but I know people who do. Mine would not tolerate it and it would not be safe. I had a welder make the partition. It wasn't expensive and it is removable.
              Good luck and have fun!

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                #8
                Yes, y'all. He is obese. However, *I* did not make him this way. Hence my original statement that I don't want to be overfeeding him.
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                I appreciate everyone's input! Here's to 2020!
                Veni vidi vici. With a paint pony, nonetheless.

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                • #9
                  Clanter is right, ditch the alfalfa and go with grass hay. Minis are very thrifty keepers. Mine (37") gets a half flake of grass hay with a small handful of alfalfa (very small, just a bunch of stalks, really) for "seasoning" twice a day, and a spoonful of Senior and a vit/min supplement and a carrot when everyone else gets their grain in the evening, and I have to watch I don't overdo the hay even then.

                  Mine just goes in my 2 horse straightload, I tie him ot one of the breast bars. (We had to evacuate because of a wildfire last sumemr and he actually had to go cross-wise in the headspace of the trailer with the other two big horses looming over him. No-one was the worse for wear.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by atr View Post

                    Mine just goes in my 2 horse straightload, I tie him ot one of the breast bars. (We had to evacuate because of a wildfire last sumemr and he actually had to go cross-wise in the headspace of the trailer with the other two big horses looming over him. No-one was the worse for wear.
                    the center divider in our two horse straight load was removal-able... I added a second lower pinning for the divider so that the divider could be still used with the minis but lowered to their height

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by clanter View Post

                      the center divider in our two horse straight load was removal-able... I added a second lower pinning for the divider so that the divider could be still used with the minis but lowered to their height
                      Good idea!

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                      • #12
                        I have a mini - they are great! But they take a lot of management to keep from getting laminitis. He is probably at a very high risk of it right now by that weight. Stop feeding him alfalfa! Feed timothy. Feed ~1.5% of his goal body weight broken up into as many feedings a day as you can. And top with a mineral supplement - I feed 75g of Hoffman's Performance Minerals a day to mine. That way she gets the vitamins and minerals she needs, so her body won't pack on the fat. And the best way for him to loose weight will be weighing what he eats, and doing cart work at a steady pace.

                        As for trailering, I hauled my girl home solo in a 3 horse slant and she was fine.

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                        • #13
                          In answer to your equipment question:
                          Chimacum & MiniTack have decently-priced stuff.
                          For a cart Silver Penny Farm, Bird in Hand or if you have an Amish or Mennonite community nearby, they can be a great source for harness & vehicle.

                          If you're not familiar with driving equipment, find someone who is & take them shopping with you.
                          IME:
                          Less than $300 for a synthetic harness (biothane not nylon) & you are getting junk.
                          Less than $500 for a new Easy-Entry cart - ditto.

                          For the cart, if you can, get no-flat or heavy-duty wire spoked wheels. Not the motorcycle pneumatics with thin spokes.
                          That said, I have the pneumatic, thin-spoked wheels & they have served for 3yrs of trail driving & local speed events. Probably a dozen annual outings. Drives up to 15mi RT.
                          I'd replace the wheels in a heartbeat, & have tried, but my axle is a funky diameter.

                          What kind of shows do you have planned?
                          Non-rated shows, anything goes.
                          But ADS or CAA shows generally do not allow wire spoked wheels (exception if original to an antique vehicle) unless they offer a Utility class.
                          *friend of bar.ka*RIP all my lovely boys, gone too soon:
                          Steppin' Out 1988-2004
                          Hey Vern! 1982-2009, Cash's Bay Threat 1994-2009
                          Sam(Jaybee Altair) 1994-2015

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Arelle View Post
                            Yes, y'all. He is obese. However, *I* did not make him this way. Hence my original statement that I don't want to be overfeeding him.
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                            I appreciate everyone's input! Here's to 2020!
                            Ah a cutie. Do you have any idea what he was eating before?

                            When I got my mini she was pretty fat. She is turned out with my mares and has pretty much 24/7 access to hay and has lost a lot of weight. I think it may have been because she wasn't turned out, and possibly that they were feeding a lot more grain than I do? (I only give her small ration of Nutrena Special Care).

                            She cannot tolerate grass well and will get foot sore very quickly so she's dry-lotted or on a sacrifice paddock all the time. (in the spring even my sacrifice paddock has too much grass even though a full sized horse would starve to death in it.)

                            So I would definitely watch the hay but I wouldn't necessarily do anything extreme. I agree that grass hay is lower in calories than alfalfa so that's a good start.

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                            • #15
                              He is adorable!

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                              • #16
                                Very adorable! I'm sure too that he looks chunkier than he is in all his winter floof. But yes, 550 is a little porky. Also agree with the grass hay. They are air ferns. I had to pull my three out of the pasture with my Fjord and Arabian once the round bales started being put out with regularlity. Now they are in a half acre paddock with minimal forage. They get fed just a handful of equine senior each twice daily and all three share a flake of alfalfa twice daily because that is what I have. Mine tend to waste the bermuda grass hay I put out for them. Also, mine stay out 24/7 with a run in shed and are never blanketed so their calories help to keep them warm. They have plenty of hours where they are not consuming anything between feedings.

                                My three are just pasture ornaments but they are sweet and entertaining. I've taken the oldest to my daughter's school for pet day where he was a hit. Used to have a driving mini horse and a mini donk when my daughter was small, but there just are not a lot of places to go driving near me.

                                While physiologically horses, the attitude, smarts and mischieviousness is all pony!

                                Pay attention to his teeth. They can be prone to sinusitis, so get on top of a runny nose. One of mine seems to have an annual bout requiring antibiotics and I've learned to get right on top of it as soon as it starts which seems to coincide with pollen season. Mine all have great little feet. My little mare actually has wry nose syndrome so her mouth is a mess and requires an annual dental evaluation. Doesn't slow her down much though.

                                I haul mine in the plus one section of the 2+1 which works great for them. Have also hauled in a 3horse slant with the dividers tied back out of the way. They're SO adorable and addictive. You'll find yourself wanting more. Some can be super bratty and challenging though. I've had a couple who were nightmares to catch.
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                                  #17
                                  Thanks for all the compliments - I'm over the moon, still!

                                  As far as questions asked: I don't know what he was eating previously. I actually spoke with his breeder on Saturday night, because he's a lucky guy in that all of his original registration paperwork passed through with him over the last five years... but he's unlucky in that no one ever actually registered him. I called AMHR last week and they said you have all the right documents, BUT the stallion owner didn't file a stallion breeding report for the 2013/2014 year.

                                  His breeder owned the stallion and mare according to the paperwork, and AMHR was able to tell me that he was a current member but did not have an email address - so I sent him a letter. He called me once he received it and his mind was blown that this guy was in Texas. He also said he was sending me the signed stallion breeding report - I told him I would pay the late fees to file it.

                                  His breeder mentioned that he just saw him "on 77 in Mount Hope not six months ago" so based on my paperwork and little trails of clues, he's been an Amish pony up until at least six months ago. My husband bought him from a family owned farm in Ohio that appears to flip cute little cart ponies/horses and sells carts, etc (and appears legit, so I'm not too worried about any shady deals coming into play) so maybe he went through an auction to end up with them. Not 100% sure.

                                  My goal is to show him in AMHR and Pinto. In both the driving and in hand classes. I'd like to see about hard shipping him into the AMHA since their World Show in is Fort Worth, which is a 30 minute drive for me. I've won World and Congress Showmanship titles in APHA, so I'm hoping it won't be total apples and oranges showing up for Pinto/AMHR/AMHA.

                                  I'll probably haul him to my dentist (Outlaw Equine) here in the next few weeks to give him a once over as I had read that mini's are prone to dental issues. I'll still need to get the gelding certificate anyway, so might as well make it one trip.

                                  Thanks again for the help, everyone! If there's anything else you guys can add - I'm always looking to learn more!
                                  Veni vidi vici. With a paint pony, nonetheless.

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                                  • #18
                                    He IS a cutie
                                    That said, you might want to Google past AMHA/AMHR shows in your area to see what is winning.
                                    Trend in minis shown seems to be the finer- boned, long-legged type placing over the stockier.
                                    think: Modern Shetland.

                                    The breeders of my mini show in TX & the sire of my guy has won multiple Champions.
                                    My luck, baby took after the dam - stockier type.
                                    Works for me, as breed shows are not my thang.
                                    We're in it for the CDEs

                                    If you're showing just for the fun, then have at it
                                    *friend of bar.ka*RIP all my lovely boys, gone too soon:
                                    Steppin' Out 1988-2004
                                    Hey Vern! 1982-2009, Cash's Bay Threat 1994-2009
                                    Sam(Jaybee Altair) 1994-2015

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                                      #19
                                      Yeah, I figured he wasn’t the type to go win a World title. Ha!

                                      If I get serious with it, I’ll find one that’s purpose bred. As it is, we’ll just have some fun and enjoy ourselves dipping our toes in everything.

                                      And, who knows, I won an APHA World Championship in the Jumpers with my 14.3hh mare so anything is possible.
                                      Veni vidi vici. With a paint pony, nonetheless.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by 2DogsFarm View Post
                                        He IS a cutie
                                        That said, you might want to Google past AMHA/AMHR shows in your area to see what is winning.
                                        Trend in minis shown seems to be the finer- boned, long-legged type placing over the stockier.
                                        think: Modern Shetland.
                                        Yes. The person who rehomed my mini to me (was helping disperse a herd from a bad situation) said she was no longer a fan of AMHA because of the trend and was no longer breeding because of this. She thought it was a terrible trend and made the minis too delicate to do any real work.

                                        Here's my mini just after I got her (aka fat). I haven't taken a good side view picture of her in a while - she's much slimmer now but still just as hairy. But you can see she's the stockier type (she's a 1991 model....just about 29 years young.)
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