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  • New Ford F350 or Chevy 3500 dually?

    I've had 2 trucks in the last 20 years. A '97 Ford, and a '09 Chevy. Both have been good trucks. The Chevy has had more (minor) mechanical problems. I'm buying a new diesel dually soon. What are you driving THAT IS ONLY 1 or 2 YEARS OLD, and what do you think about it? We all know that quality can vary year to year, so I'm looking for input into new trucks. Your 58 year old truck might run great, but I can't buy it!
    Thanks so much for your help!

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    Ford would always be my first choice in a truck.

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    • #3
      trim level would be a concern as to just what options you want or need.... the Fords can easily add 50% from base F350 to the higher levels

      going by OP's screen name of Fancy.Pants... the Platinum edition would be correct. but if for hauling horses we found the King Ranch package to fit our needs

      Do not have a clue about Chevy (or GMC) ...but would look at the GMC before looking at Chevy

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        #4
        Haha, clanter. Screen name or not, I like to buy my trucks without carpet (so much easier), so that tends to keep the trim level down. I guess what I'm looking for is people who say, Don't buy X truck, mine has broken down on my 12 times! I guess since I'm not getting that, no one here is experiencing it. Thanks all.

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        • #5
          I have a 2018 GMC Denali 3500 dually and I love it. It has a crew cab, so lots of room. It is a diesel, so decent mileage all things considered. We have driven it from Michigan to Texas several times as well as all over the Midwest and haven’t had any problems at all. It pulls my trailer like a dream, has plenty of low end torque, and rides very comfortably.
          I would highly recommend it.

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          • #6
            I have a 2 year old Ford F350 Dually and I love it! My diesel mechanic is a Dodge truck guy through and through and had been telling us for years that we needed to ditch our old Ford F350 SRW to get a Dodge. Due to time constraints on our truck search, we wound up with a Ford again, and though it was somewhat grudging, my mechanic said that he actually likes the new Fords as much as he's always liked Dodges.
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            • #7
              When I bought my truck, I talked to several mechanics, and they said their experience was the GM trucks were more reliable, and far easier for them to work on than Ford. Realistically, when it comes to trucks, it comes down to personal preference. I mean, Dodge beats my Chevy like crazy on turning radius, but I find my Chevy is much steadier when hauling. I can feel what my horses are doing, but it's not as... pronounced as it was on a Dodge. Some people might LIKE feeling it to that degree, but I found it more unnerving going down mountain passes than anything.
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              • #8
                just a note of warning, do not let your diesel fuel tanks get below 1/3rd full otherwise the Bosh CP4 duel pump would be subject to premature failure due to overheating causing metal fragments to enter the injector system

                October 2, 2018 — Bosch CP4 fuel pump failures have caused a lawsuit that alleges General Motors, Ford, Chrysler and Bosch conspired to equip diesel vehicles with pumps the companies knew would fail.

                The lawsuit alleges the CP4 pump is not compatible with American diesel fuel, something that causes the pump to run dry and destroy itself, further destroying the fuel injection system and engine.

                Diesel fuel used in American vehicles is cleaner and allegedly provides less lubrication compared to European diesel fuel, something the plaintiffs claim makes American diesel fuel incompatible with the Bosch fuel pumps.

                According to the lawsuit, the CP4 pump failures occur when diesel fuel is run through the high pressure pumps that are already struggling to maintain enough lubrication. The cleaner diesel fuel allegedly allows air pockets to form inside the pumps, causing metal to rub against metal and sending metal shavings throughout the fuel systems.

                The plaintiffs claim the CP4 fuel pump failures typically occur when vehicles head toward 100,000 miles and will end up costing customers $8,000 to $15,000 to replace the fuel systems.
                https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2...-lawsuit.shtml


                it was suggest to not let a fuel tank get below 1/3rd full not as a fix but to to keep the pump submerged in the fuel to aid cooling

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                • #9
                  My farm owners have had terrible luck with Chevy 3500s in the last few years (all purchased new). They are on their second in 3 years (failed enough that it was better to get a new one) and this one is also displaying issues. They tow a lot with 4-6 horses. From their experience, I'd try a Ford.

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                  • #10
                    For engine: dodge. It's going to out grunt anything on the market by design (inline 6, harmonically balanced).
                    For transmission: Chevy/GMC.
                    For looks: none of them, they're all hideous right now (can we make the tail badge ANY BIGGER RIGHT NOW guys?! or how about those OMG MONSTER HEADLIGHTS that cost 600+ to replace?!)
                    For interior: probably Ford, but I like dodge too

                    Ford has a sordid past of "yes this year but no not that year".

                    Question - are you planning to delete or leave stock? (do you have to smog/pass emissions?)

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                    • #11
                      We have had many, many duallys and have a 2019 Dodge right now. It was just traded in a few month ago and we had a 2019 Chevy High Country. My in law had a 2019 GM Denali. We both tow large trailers, hers is a camper trailer that weighs 18,000lb and our horse trailer is 23,000lb.

                      Of course the GM and Chevy are the exact same truck, just the interior packages were different. The only reason my husband wanted to go back to Dodge was the Longhorn is sooooo much nicer than the High Country, and the trucks cost the same.

                      Now for towing, the Chevy was wayyyyy better when kept in the cruise control (my husband loves driving in crusie control almost all of the time on the highways). It kept speed (even up mountains!!), never seemed to work hard and was a towing machine!

                      The Dodge has tons of power but the cruise control is really crappy. It looses speed (even on the flats) and has to rev up to get back up to speed. But even doing this, the fuel milage is acually way better than the Chevy, which was really surprising! The fuel tank is even smaller than the Chevy (which worried my husband as its hard to fit our 52' trailer into most gas stations!), but it gets way better fuel milage and even with the smaller tank, we hit up the gas stations much less. In fact, my husbands dually gets close to the same milage as my 2018 1500 Chevy. Its crazy!

                      I don't have any info on the Ford, but I had several 1500 and loved them. We were going to look at a Ford Dually but my husband really liked the Longhorn so we went with that.

                      Good luck with your search!

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                        Originally posted by piedmontfields View Post
                        My farm owners have had terrible luck with Chevy 3500s in the last few years (all purchased new). They are on their second in 3 years (failed enough that it was better to get a new one) and this one is also displaying issues. They tow a lot with 4-6 horses. From their experience, I'd try a Ford.
                        Several years ago I was at our local trailer shop and there was a guy in there with a HUGE LQ trailer behind a 3500 RAM. To my naked eye he was grossly overweight. And he was complaining the RAM made a crummy transmission as he was on number three or four. The idea he was grossly over-stressing the tranny did not seem cross his mind.

                        What are these Chevy people towing with (gearing, set up, etc.) and what are they towing these horses in? Light weight AL or steel Sundowner? It makes a difference!

                        Unfortunately there is no "consumer reporting" I can find on 350/3500 trucks that is relatively objective. Consumers Union stops at the 2500/250 mark as the larger trucks are considered "commercial." IMO one could argue this point with them but so far that seems to be their rule. What I have found does not begin to approach "objectivity." The manufacturers certainly do not put out anything that would be negative to their brand and anything they say about other brands has to be taken with a BIG grain of salt. So in all of this we stuck with anecdote.

                        On that note I'll say that I've owned one Ford F-350 (1992 crew cab dually, 7.3L engine, auto-tranny). It was OK except that it ate transmissions. When towing the transmission oil cooler was inadequate and caused overheating and failure. When I added an auxiliary tranny oil cooler the problems went away.

                        I later swapped for a '98 Chevy crew cab, dually, big gas engine, 4WD. Except for the mileage it was a good truck. If finally let me down at about 120,000 miles returning from a trip with the horses and I swapped it for '08 model with the same general features but also with the Duramax engine. It has been a champ across the board for 108,000 miles. The Grand Plan is to re-store this one in a few years when it starts to show signs of aging. That will likely cost me in the neighborhood of $30,000 but a new one by then will push $100,000. As we are approaching the end of our equestrian activities due to age and infirmity I'm not going to put 100Gs into a truck.

                        As you drive down the highway look at what people, particularly RVer's are pulling. Some are REALLY impressive in size (and weight) and likely are beyond the legal limits of the truck. You'll see it, too, at horse shows where you have huge, 6 horse LQs behind trucks that are likely not rated for those loads. If you broach the subject with them they'll tell you "it works just fine." But if you start talking about general maintenance and quality you'll often get complains about "quality" in some aspect of the engine and drive train. Again, the idea that they are grossly overweight will not even be a possible cause of their issues.

                        If you want to pull a lot you have to have a properly equipped truck to do it. If you don't you'll have trouble. Simple as that.

                        G.
                        Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raa, Uma Paixo

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                        • #13
                          I know this was not asked but if looking at a F350 OP may want to look at the F450... rated towing is 25% greater...cost is neatly the same ...less luxury options but OP says they are not that inclined

                          but check your insurance as the F450 is considered a commercial truck by most insurers

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Guilherme View Post

                            Several years ago I was at our local trailer shop and there was a guy in there with a HUGE LQ trailer behind a 3500 RAM. To my naked eye he was grossly overweight. And he was complaining the RAM made a crummy transmission as he was on number three or four. The idea he was grossly over-stressing the tranny did not seem cross his mind.

                            What are these Chevy people towing with (gearing, set up, etc.) and what are they towing these horses in? Light weight AL or steel Sundowner? It makes a difference!

                            Unfortunately there is no "consumer reporting" I can find on 350/3500 trucks that is relatively objective. Consumers Union stops at the 2500/250 mark as the larger trucks are considered "commercial." IMO one could argue this point with them but so far that seems to be their rule. What I have found does not begin to approach "objectivity." The manufacturers certainly do not put out anything that would be negative to their brand and anything they say about other brands has to be taken with a BIG grain of salt. So in all of this we stuck with anecdote.

                            On that note I'll say that I've owned one Ford F-350 (1992 crew cab dually, 7.3L engine, auto-tranny). It was OK except that it ate transmissions. When towing the transmission oil cooler was inadequate and caused overheating and failure. When I added an auxiliary tranny oil cooler the problems went away.

                            I later swapped for a '98 Chevy crew cab, dually, big gas engine, 4WD. Except for the mileage it was a good truck. If finally let me down at about 120,000 miles returning from a trip with the horses and I swapped it for '08 model with the same general features but also with the Duramax engine. It has been a champ across the board for 108,000 miles. The Grand Plan is to re-store this one in a few years when it starts to show signs of aging. That will likely cost me in the neighborhood of $30,000 but a new one by then will push $100,000. As we are approaching the end of our equestrian activities due to age and infirmity I'm not going to put 100Gs into a truck.

                            As you drive down the highway look at what people, particularly RVer's are pulling. Some are REALLY impressive in size (and weight) and likely are beyond the legal limits of the truck. You'll see it, too, at horse shows where you have huge, 6 horse LQs behind trucks that are likely not rated for those loads. If you broach the subject with them they'll tell you "it works just fine." But if you start talking about general maintenance and quality you'll often get complains about "quality" in some aspect of the engine and drive train. Again, the idea that they are grossly overweight will not even be a possible cause of their issues.

                            If you want to pull a lot you have to have a properly equipped truck to do it. If you don't you'll have trouble. Simple as that.

                            G.
                            Not too sure if I 100% agree with you here. We have towed VERY large trailers (43' toy hauler at 18,000lb and our current 52' tripple axel 23,000lb trailer- with LQ) and have had no issues with it. The trucks are rated to tow 30,000lb (Dodge) and 23,000lb (Chevy/GM).

                            I don't think there are many other trailers on the road that are much heavier than ours. But we go to CAT scales to get an accurate weight on our trailers. We have them fully loaded (with the carriages, harness, hay, ponies etc) to ensure we are ok to tow.

                            In fact our current 52' trailer tows better than our old 42' horse trailer double axel at 19,000lb. I believe the 3rd axel does really help with this. And my husband HATES towing the 43' ft toy hauler(also a tripple axel) as it has a large nose and sits up a lot. It really grabs the wind and makes towing that much harder. So it really also depends on the trailer....

                            OP - what are you planning on towing with the truck?
                            Last edited by DiamondJubilee; Nov. 14, 2019, 11:55 AM.

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                              • #16
                                52' trailer - wow, you got my attention !! Gorgeous !

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                                • #17
                                  Holy smokies, no kidding, that's a LOT of trailer. I'd probably pee myself if I had to haul that.
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