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  • came for the summer, ? staying for winter?

    I don't know how to approach this.
    I run a half dozen of my own horses on my farm. All teenagers or older (a lot older), so reliable to be around.
    A friend asked to board a two-year old for the summer, pasture board, leaving when the grass quit growing. So he should have been gone last week. I didn't ask for any payment, said she could coach my daughters in exchange. Turns out she is now pregnant, and really sick with it and unable to come out on a regular basis - hardly been out at all. She is having difficulty finding a new location for him as the original plan for the fall/winter fell through.
    He has kicked out at least one board in my outside shelter, is kicking a hole in the hay manger, and will need blanketing if he's here in winter. He is now eating hay - as it gets colder he will eat more (he's a big boy, will eat a lot) which will mess with my calculations for what i needed for the winter for my bunch. I plan my hay pretty close to run out in june when new crop is on. i can't afford to run out in april.
    I am physically unable to blanket a 16+hand horse, and especially a 2yo who as far as i know might never had had one on. He's well behaved, but i have no desire to be out there in 30below weather switching out a blanket because he's too cold. I'm also worried that if he does kick out the hay manger, he will catch a tendon in the splinters. I did tell her that he was doing this.
    I feel like a sh!t for insisting that she move him out, but I cannot change his blanket, she won't be able to, i will run out of hay before i had planned, and nowhere else would you get free board.
    Just looking for thoughts -- what should i do?

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    Tell her to move the horse. You feel bad about that but you will feel worse when he starts to suffer because you cannot care for him, and you will feel even worse if you run out of hay for your horses.

    Don't feel like a shit. You aren't.

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    • #3
      You need to give her 30 days' notice, and do that sooner rather than later. She will figure something out. You have been nice already. Let someone else have a turn.
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      • #4
        Stick with your plan • she must move him •
        Too many variables for you to deal with especially HAY !

        Tell her in writing and follow up with a call ... she needs to move him by ? October 1st .... ? October 15th .?

        Decide on the date you need .... in the mean time consult with an attorney to formulate step 2.

        GOOD LUCK ...sorry you in this uncomfortable struggle

        GET IT DONE !
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        • #5
          Hope he is gone before he injures himself, the way he is acting.
          You may be adding taking care of injuries for the foreseeable future.

          It is really nice to help others.
          Not nice when they are not considerate of your needs.

          She needs to move him, now.

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          • #6
            "Hi, (name), I just want to touch base with you on (horse). I have not budgeted in having another horse for winter, and now I am starting to feed hay, I need (horse) to be out in the next (timeframe)."

            And then if they counter by saying they'll help/buy hay/supply more hay, you can rejoinder with

            "I appreciate the offer, but unfortunately I am unable to accommodate keeping him here in winter due to my own physical limitations."

            It sounds like she's looked but hasn't found something - but the need to find something is always less urgent when you have a very nice fall-back that doesn't convey urgency in removing the horse from the premise. Add urgency to the situation, stick her feet to the coals a little (and you can be polite and kind as you do so, but be firm and insistent) and set a deadline. If she needs to pay board at a place for a month or two, so be it.

            Her horsekeeping challenges should not be your problem - and I hope you do not let them become so.

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              #7
              I just feel bad because she has been really really sick with this pregnancy. In and out of hospital for fluids every 3 or 4 days. Hardly even out of bed - so that's why i feel like a terrible person.

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              • #8
                You are not a terrible person! You agreed to care for this young horse "for the summer, until the grass quit growing". The horse owner knew this was a temporary arrangement.

                You have done that, and don't have the hay or physical resources to care for it through the winter.

                As others have said, just be kind but firm.

                "I can't give Young Horse the care he needs over the winter. I can keep him until (date) , if you can find him a new spot sooner that would be great!"

                Now, if she can buy his hay AND pay a reliable person to do his care, AND if you're ok with a third party on your farm, that might be a solution - at least until she's feeling better and can make arrangements to move him.

                In any case, you are NOT a terrible person.

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                • Original Poster

                  #9
                  oh, thank you for the responses. I needed to hear from horse people -- I'm basically a baby sitter for my girls' horses -- Not complaining about that -- they help out as much as they can. As much as I love the horses, I depend on the girls to know when there is a problem that i need to take care of. So the last thing I needed is an extra mouth to feed....

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                  • #10
                    Absolutely not a horrible person. To be frank, her personal situation is not your problem. It's her horse, and her responsibility to find appropriate accommodations for. You have been a more than generous friend, you have no obligation to continue, especially when it means a considerable amount of additional effort and stress for you going into winter. Give an inch and they'll take a mile, every.single.time. I was reminded of this recently as well, having given someone (I thought was a friend) eight months free board only to be shat on in the end. Such is life.
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                    • #11
                      Not that it is in any way your responsibility, but would you be able to help her source out a new boarding option and arrange hauling? It's an awkward situation, but if she is really that sick, she may be unable to do the leg work herself and are you prepared to enforce a time line? And I would start charging her for hay + damage + your time if you aren't already.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by CHT View Post
                        Not that it is in any way your responsibility, but would you be able to help her source out a new boarding option and arrange hauling? It's an awkward situation, but if she is really that sick, she may be unable to do the leg work herself and are you prepared to enforce a time line? And I would start charging her for hay + damage + your time if you aren't already.
                        An addition to this: When "damage" is being mentioned, don't just factor in the raw materials required to repair (or pay someone to repair), but the time spent doing so. Having to source material, transport it, or contact someone and arrange a schedule around being available for them to come and do repairs... I think boarders often forget that fixing things is never "just" the cost of a few boards. It is more than fair to set a price for this that compensates you for the material, the time, and the inconvenience.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Dunwaukin View Post
                          oh, thank you for the responses. I needed to hear from horse people -- I'm basically a baby sitter for my girls' horses -- Not complaining about that -- they help out as much as they can. As much as I love the horses, I depend on the girls to know when there is a problem that i need to take care of. So the last thing I needed is an extra mouth to feed....
                          So her horse has been at your place for free all summer, and she did not coach the girls as she agreed to because she is sick from being pregnant, and her horse is destructive? You are much kinder than most people would be. Charge her NOW for keeping the horse. I understand that things did not turn out as planned for her, but she needs major motivation to get out, and a bill should help. He is eating hay, she needs to pay for it, and also the damage. But make sure you witnessed him causing the damage, or can somehow prove it. So give her a bill that is in line with board in your area for this month and don't feel bad about it.
                          "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in a confederacy against him."

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                          • #14
                            How about charging her for the winter? Enough that you're happy (which will be more than you actually expect to spend, including repairs). Why blanket? - he'll grow hair. This way you're helping her out but you're not put out. You are in a tough spot but you have to do what works for you or no one will be happy.

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                            • #15
                              I wonder if that friend doesn't has the money, why staying there without paying all summer and not getting the horse moved asap when realizing friend can't really keep it any more and he is a problem?

                              That one friend may need to see first if she even needs to own such a horse, in her situation, or move it to some trainer that will get it ready to sell and sell it to someone that can take care of it properly?

                              Just more to wonder, with the information given.

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                                #16
                                Winter is not an option -- i'm too old (>60) to take a chance of ending up on the ground. My guys are dead calm, and are a hand , to hand and a half shorter. I can change their blankets no problem. But I can't reach over a 16+ guy.
                                I was just out to the shelter, and there are three boards broken off the hay box. Can I prove it was him -- no, but the box has been there for 5 years until now with no damage, and i have seen him standing with front feet in it. circumstantial evidence, i know.
                                You have helped me decide. Gone at end of September. No ifs ands or buts.

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                                • #17
                                  Maybe offer to help her sell this horse if you can. It doesn’t sound like her current life is going to allow her to enjoy having a horse.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by jonem004 View Post
                                    Maybe offer to help her sell this horse if you can. It doesn’t sound like her current life is going to allow her to enjoy having a horse.
                                    That's a whole 'nother train wreck.
                                    "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in a confederacy against him."

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                                    • #19
                                      Been there done that more than once. In the past I have "helped" people out. Let them board here for free while they fix their barn or get a stall ready, etc. Then fall rolls around and they are still here. I am in the same boat. I put in X amount of hay for X amount of horses. The extra horses are going to cut into my stockpile and I am going to run short. And here's the thing... I don't get to keep my horses here for free. I have to pay for the feed, bedding, electric, etc. So when I run short I am scrambling around to get hay. Are they there helping me find it, or load it, or pay for it?

                                      Long story short I don't do favors any more. I can't afford it.

                                      Just like our eyes, our hearts have a way of adjusting to the dark.--Adam Stanley

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                                      • #20
                                        OP, what did you decide?
                                        "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in a confederacy against him."

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