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    #21
    carman liz I am in Ontario, Canada. I hate asking for help. I have moved bales around already. I really can't take it out of the mow as I don;t have another place to put it. I have left the the doors open for air circulation.

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    • #22
      are the stacked with the cut side up to encourage airflow? You said they are all in one layer, having them cut side up with the strings basically on the sides will help too. Are they on pallets or just on the floor of it?

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        #23
        Originally posted by carman_liz View Post
        are the stacked with the cut side up to encourage airflow? You said they are all in one layer, having them cut side up with the strings basically on the sides will help too. Are they on pallets or just on the floor of it?
        They are just on the floor, not stacked tightly I have moved some more, put the heavier ones near the open door. I reached inside the heavy bales and they don't feel wet or warm. I also have some laying on the sides. Have inserted metal BBQ skewers in some of them. I will go back up and turn the rest on their sides.

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        • #24
          Good call, congrats to you for caring so much and going thru all this for your barn and ponies!!!!

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            #25
            Originally posted by carman_liz View Post
            Good call, congrats to you for caring so much and going thru all this for your barn and ponies!!!!
            Along with stray cats, planting trees it is the reason for my existence.

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              #26
              I just realized my previous post makes me sound like a weird old lady. I have had a varied, interesting life in the past.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Cat Tap View Post
                I just realized my previous post makes me sound like a weird old lady. I have had a varied, interesting life in the past.
                Not at all. Stray cats, planting trees, aversion to walls and concrete ...are you me?
                One touch of nature makes the whole world kin.
                William Shakespeare

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                • #28
                  Nooo you are perfectly normal!! "We are all a little mad here" - alice in wonderland quote i believe hehe!

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                  • #29
                    All small bales here any more come in 21 bale bundles.
                    Those fit three at the time in standard 8' truck beds, then as many such as the bed is long.

                    Those are baled and bundled and then picked up and stacked in barns with a simple skid loader or tractor with grapples that are like two arms and rotate to be able to stack at will.

                    When they deliver to us, they bring their skidloader and stack them for us in the barn.

                    No one touches a bale any more until it is fed.
                    With those systems, it takes a few minutes to unload and put in the barn, not several hours of people throwing bales and stacking.
                    For that, you need hay storage in a structure at ground level, where they can get to and into with their skid loader.
                    A shed will do.

                    That has kept the price of hay down a bit, not needing extra hand labor and being able to handle hay so very much faster.

                    All balers today come with moisture meters, there is no excuse to bale too wet, all alarms in the tractor would be singing a tune.

                    Here, it can be so dry, they have special machinery in front of balers that can add moisture to bales, even specially treated liquids if necessary.

                    Putting hay in lofts has always carried a serious risk of fire, is the nature of the beast.

                    If there are not too many bales, to stack them on end single layer and with room between them can help them dry out without catching on fire.

                    Most times, the bales won't quite catch on fire, but will caramelize, turn brown color and then cool off.
                    It is scary when you find some of those, thinking what could have happened if oxygen would have found a way in there and started a fire.

                    Whoever sold the hay ought to be told to come check it, please.
                    Hay producers have portable moisture meters they could use handily and so easy the OP's mind.

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                    • #30
                      You can also use a cooking probe thermometer to check if they are heating, but they shouldn't heat if they were rained on after they were baled, You just need to be wary of mold from the wet hay.

                      Fwiw, the danger zone is 140. if it gets above that it can continue to heat with the point of no return so call the fire dept. But in general if it heats up a little (125) that is part of the curing process.

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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by Cat Tap View Post

                        They are just on the floor, not stacked tightly I have moved some more, put the heavier ones near the open door. I reached inside the heavy bales and they don't feel wet or warm. I also have some laying on the sides. Have inserted metal BBQ skewers in some of them. I will go back up and turn the rest on their sides.
                        They may just be tight heavy bales. If the windrows were big it can make for an amazingly heavy bale!

                        But--if you are worried, unless you cut open the suspect bales( separate the flakes) if they were wet you are going to lose them to mold if they were rained on enough to get water into the bale.

                        I would just start feeding that first and check it by touch( does it feel tacky) and smell.

                        It won't take long for mold to grow and you won't see it unless you open them up.

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by Cat Tap View Post
                          I just realized my previous post makes me sound like a weird old lady. I have had a varied, interesting life in the past.
                          I too have had a very interesting past life, now I AM just an old lady with 3 cats and 2 horses, but seriously, I also lost my hay supplier last year (he passed away at Christmas) so it is challenging trying to get hay here. I sympathize with you.

                          I am in Nova Scotia and it is difficult to get help with stacking hay as well. This year I have changed to round bales and just peel off layers and stuff large hay bags and hang the bags in my large shelter. I have lots of pasture but the bugs are so bad the horses will not go in the field so I feed hay all year round.

                          I worry about my horses and cats, they are the reason for my getting up in the morning, it is nice to hear there are others out there struggling with the same issues.

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                          • #33
                            Nobody has mentioned salting the bales??? My parents used to do that if they thought hay was a little damp.

                            Do people still do this??

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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by Obsidian Fire View Post
                              Nobody has mentioned salting the bales??? My parents used to do that if they thought hay was a little damp.

                              Do people still do this??
                              I did mention it

                              i always salt salt the rows before adding another row. I use Kosher Salt.

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                                #35
                                I had heard of salting bales but have no idea how much you need. I checked again this morning. I had inserted probes in a lot of the bales. The probe on the two heaviest bales came out slightly warm at the bottom. I moved those two bales to the front of the mow at the open door. I lifted one of the bales up onto the elevator where it now has air flow all around. All the other probes came up cold. I remembered where the bales were stacked that came from the top of the wagons and now have probes inserted in those. After moving bales, turning them on their sides etc. it looks like a bunch of drunks were at work.

                                The bales that I moved to the open door will get bleached from the sun but from what I remember it shouldn't deplete the quality only the appearance of the bales. Of course that is as long they are not moldy. I can afford to throw those out as I have more hay than I need. I think I am starting to worry a little less.

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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by Cat Tap View Post
                                  I had heard of salting bales but have no idea how much you need. I checked again this morning. I had inserted probes in a lot of the bales. The probe on the two heaviest bales came out slightly warm at the bottom. I moved those two bales to the front of the mow at the open door. I lifted one of the bales up onto the elevator where it now has air flow all around. All the other probes came up cold. I remembered where the bales were stacked that came from the top of the wagons and now have probes inserted in those. After moving bales, turning them on their sides etc. it looks like a bunch of drunks were at work.

                                  The bales that I moved to the open door will get bleached from the sun but from what I remember it shouldn't deplete the quality only the appearance of the bales. Of course that is as long they are not moldy. I can afford to throw those out as I have more hay than I need. I think I am starting to worry a little less.
                                  If they are too warm inside I would open them up.

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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by candyappy View Post

                                    If they are too warm inside I would open them up.
                                    Or throw them off the loft and put them where they won't catch anything else on fire if they spontaneously ignite?

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                                    • #38
                                      Open doors for air flow .... open bales before feeding.

                                      Feed old hay first then gradually some of the new hay mixed in after it’s aired out.

                                      Should be fine .... if it goes through another sweat period due to humidity just allow it to happen and don’t feed it til completely
                                      cooled and dry.

                                      It’s going to be fine with some time .... cats .... plants .,,, horses and hay.

                                      What are you reading ?

                                      Jingles & AO ~




                                      Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "

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                                      • #39
                                        We usually get a few damp bales and I just cut them open and spread the flakes apart so they get air. They always dry just fine and the hay is nice.
                                        If you have room for round bales in your loft you can just peel the hay from them and feed it. I fill hay nets from my round bales.

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                                        • Original Poster

                                          #40
                                          Originally posted by Zu Zu View Post
                                          Open doors for air flow .... open bales before feeding.

                                          Feed old hay first then gradually some of the new hay mixed in after it’s aired out.

                                          Should be fine .... if it goes through another sweat period due to humidity just allow it to happen and don’t feed it til completely
                                          cooled and dry.

                                          It’s going to be fine with some time .... cats .... plants .,,, horses and hay.

                                          What are you reading ?

                                          Jingles & AO ~



                                          Just finished "Belonging" by Nora Krug. Author is German born living in the US questioning her parents and grandparents actions during the rise of Hitler. Similar to my experience. I was born in Germany. Can't seem to relax enough to read fiction at the moment.

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