• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Tankless Hot Water Heater For My New Barn

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Tankless Hot Water Heater For My New Barn

    I'm having a barn built (so excited!) and it's time to decide which hot water heater to buy. I'm looking at the tankless hot water heaters from Lowes. Is the PowerStar 2.0 Point of Use tankless heater sufficient? Or do I need something larger? Any suggestions? It needs to be electric and preferably 240V. I will be using it for the vary rare chance that I use the washing machine on hot/warm, warm water to wash my hands, warm water for tail washing... nothing too excessive.

    Thanks!

  • #2
    Tankless ... they're wonderful and I wish I had one in my house. You're a smart cookie to think this way!!

    Europe does not use water heaters like we do ... at least not when I was there. Smart cookies ... only spend the energy when you need it ... the hot water that is.
    "For God hates utterly
    The bray of bragging tongues."
    Sophocles, Antigone Spoken by the Leader of the Chorus of Theban Elders

    Comment


    • #3
      They're great. If you only need occasional small volumes of warm water, you are probably OK with a fairly small/inexpensive one. If you look at the specs for the one you're buying, it should list how many gallons of water it can heat to how many degrees over baseline per minute. This is called the "delta T" measurement (change in temperature) and you have to think about how many gallons per minute you need, for how long, and about how cold your water is coming out of the tap.

      We have a moderately hefty one that heats the water to 40 degrees above baseline, at the pace of a wide-open hose, indefinitely. Perfect for giving warm/hot baths to horse after horse after horse, but the water is not PIPING hot. If I need TRULY hot-hot water, I still use my old bucket heater.
      Click here before you buy.

      Comment

      • Original Poster

        #4
        OK, it looks like the one I was looking at will heat 2 gallons per minute to 40* over baseline per minute...hmmm...I'm thinking that probably isn't enough. I'll shop around some more. Thanks for the advice! You are a wealth of knowledge Deltawave! (p.s. I love my electrobraid fencing that you helped me with)

        Comment


        • #5
          Eemax is a good mfg.


          http://www.eemaxinc.com/WholeHome
          Comprehensive Equestrian Site Planning and Facility Design
          www.lynnlongplanninganddesign.com

          Comment


          • #6
            yes you are right, i suggest you that electric heater is one of the best for water heater, but at the same time what i am saying in water heater,solar technology is suggestable

            Comment


            • #7
              Depending on how cold your tap/well water is, a delta T of 40 degrees/minute at a flow rate of 2 gpm might be perfectly fine for what you are describing: the occasional load of laundry, etc. But since they're so energy efficient and don't cost anything to run when you don't need them, you may as well shoot for more than you think you need. Also pay attention to the amperage demands, because they can be high.
              Click here before you buy.

              Comment


              • #8
                We upgraded to a tankless Rinai in the house a few years ago. Best move we ever made! Takes a few moments to warm, but once it's there, endless hot water. We were using hot water off the oil furnace (which we also replaced) After installation of both units, our first bill for fuel oil the next winter was 1/4 of what it had been!

                Comment

                • Original Poster

                  #9
                  Thanks guys! The barn will be on it's own electric service (not attached to the house) so limited amperage shouldn't be an issue. I believe most of them call for two 60 amp breakers? That is high. I'll keep shopping around and try to find something a little higher than the 2 GPM that is affordable. Since we're building this barn from scratch I'm trying to do everything right the first time :0)

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    I am going to be very interested in how this topic develops. We too are building a barn, from scratch, and I would like more info. on these tankless heaters as well. Sounds very energy efficient, and energy conscious! Let us know how things progress.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      We are in the process of building a barn also, our first.

                      We were all set to use tankless hot water system and our plumber, who is also a horse person, talked us out of it. He put one in his barn and then replaced it with regular water heater. I can't remember the specific reasons, but it made sense at the time.

                      I also started a thread on ductless heat pump if you are looking for info on heating/cooling tack room.
                      Last edited by springplainsfarm; Aug. 15, 2010, 07:31 AM. Reason: additional info

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        We have a tankless in the house which I LOVE. We also have a Eemax tankless in the barn. It's a much smaller unit. I believe the kind you'd have for a small apartment. The water takes a while to get hot and from the sink, a few feet away from the unit, it does actually get hot. The wash stall is about 20 feet away and the water gets very warm, not actually hot.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          We just replaced our barn hot water heater with a standard unitl. I seriously considered a tankless model, but after quite a bit of research decided against it. Cost was a significant factor. A unit capable of making enough to flow to wash a horse was at the higher end of the range. Most electric units are quite limited in how much they can raise water temp over ambient (gas units do MUCH better in this regard). After I "pencil whipped" the numbers I bought a higher efficiency small tank unit. The "delta" in costs would have taken me more than seven years to recover. That's too long a time horizon for me.

                          G.
                          Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raça, Uma Paixão

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            I asked my plumbers about an electric tankless for the barn about a yr ago and they said the electric units just weren't that efficient so I dropped it. They are coming out soon I hope as my hydrant at the barn is dead and I'm going to talk to them about a smaller regular tank. Most of the time the only time I use it is in winter to give the horses warm water, to clean sheaths, the first spring bath and last fall bath of the year.

                            What I'd like to know is if I can turn the tank off when I don't need to use it, which would be most of the spring, summer and fall months, and just turn it back on a couple of hrs before I need to use it. I don't know if I'd have to drain it or not between uses. Anyone else out there have an idea about that?
                            Sue

                            I'm not saying let's go kill all the stupid people...I'm just saying let's remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort itself out.

                            Comment

                            • Original Poster

                              #15
                              Guilherme- what model high efficiency small tank heater did you buy and what was the cost? I'm still open to exploring all of my options.

                              Sparky Boy- good point on the distance to the wash stall. My wash stall will also be about 20 feet away from the water heater. The washer and sink will be much closer. Good thing to consider.

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                Ours is electric, moderately powerful (don't have the stats at hand) and for what I need it for, it's fine. I might give a horse a bath once or twice a month using other than just regular cold water, I like to have warm water for the vet if he's out doing stuff, and when I scrub things in the winter it's nice to have warm water. Only once in a blue moon have I needed to bathe a horse when it's really cold out, and there the hot water is very handy, and my unit is more than up to the job. But since I don't do laundry in the barn, I can honestly say the thing just sits there idle 99% of the time. I can't see keeping a traditional tank heater plugged in or hooked up 24/7/365 to supply warm/hot water for a few hours a year. There is also the potential for leaks with a tank heater.

                                They're not for everyone, obviously, but I also did some very crude math and the way I see it there's more to it than just "how long to pay for itself"--there's also the intangible of not wasting natural resources, the convenience of having hot water RIGHT NOW when I need it, and not taking up space in my tack room with a tank, too.

                                I think when planning, one really needs to honestly assess how much hot water they're going to use. If I weren't spoiled by my water heater, had just a little more patience, and could get used to giving baths with buckets instead of the hose, I could really just get by with the old electric bucket heater.
                                Click here before you buy.

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  I just had a contractor out to get a bid on having one installed in my barn. They sound like a great option. He said to get the biggest one I thought I'd need and not to go too small.

                                  He strongly recommended staying away from an electric one, which is a problem for me since I don't have a gas line run to the barn. The solution to this is we're going to install a very small propane tank outside my barn to run the water heater.

                                  Everyone I've talked to says it's worth doing. I'm tired of washing my backyard horses in freezing cold water, and so are they!

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    Skip the electric and just get a propane one - you can put a propane tank outside and run the gas line in. Propane is super cheap compared to electricity. I have a propane on demand hot water in my house and it is fab!!! I got a big unit so we could do laundry, run the dishwasher, take a shower all at the same time and have hot water forever! AND when we built a new detached barn/garage (prop 100 ft away from the on demand hot water heater) we just ran a line out there so my husband has hot and cold water in his car barn. It does take a quite a while for the hot water to get there, though. But if your barn is close to your house, maybe you could kill two birds with one stone so to speak
                                    Dina
                                    www.olddominionsaddlery.com
                                    http://www.facebook.com/olddominionsaddlery Like us on Facebook!!

                                    Comment

                                    • Original Poster

                                      #19
                                      Has Anyone used Titan tankless water heaters. I found some at www.designerplumbing.com and they look to be reasonably priced.

                                      Comment

                                      • Original Poster

                                        #20
                                        I decided to go with this one.

                                        http://www.titanheater.com/proddetai...prod=SCR3-N160

                                        Good reviews (it doesn't seem like any tankless has 100% good reviews) and made in the USA. Hopefully I'll love it!

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X