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Anyone REGRET getting a 2+1?

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  • DSLH
    started a topic Anyone REGRET getting a 2+1?

    Anyone REGRET getting a 2+1?

    Long story short, I've had a great, albeit slightly ugly trailer for years - typical oversize 2h straight load step up with a dressing room that's adequate. But it's steel and I'm tired of the surface rust. Additionally, some horses just really don't want to load on this thing, which gets tiresome. So, Hubby and I have been talking about maybe upgrading for awhile (from both maintenance and ease of use perspectives), and I keep going back and forth between the idea of a slant and a 2+1.

    I like the idea of having the flexibility of a 2+1 - and at least I know my horses will fit, whereas finding a slant to accommodate really big horses seems like quite a challenge. However, I'm not sure that I like the idea of jumping all the way up to a 21-22' box. It just seems....big. In combing through the forums I feel like I've seen a hundred posts with folks singing praises of their 2+1's....but has anyone upgraded to a 2+1 and regretted it? If so, what'd you get and why did you regret it?

  • soloudinhere
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    Originally posted by winter View Post

    Not true, you can take both horses out backwards or forwards, which is an advantage. I have done it on a friend's trailer that has the front ramp configuration.

    And DMK is right on the axle to weight distribution.
    Depends on the trailer. None work if you have a head divider in place as it obstructs the ramp opening on a trailer 18’ long. The math doesn’t work any other way. Unless you’re planning on taking it down or shoving It in the other horse’s face.

    the hawk model with the angled dressing room it is NOT possible to take the driver’s side horse out while a horse is on the passenger side. Their head is in the way of the ramp.

    i looked at dozens of these before buying my actual 2+1 because the design doesn’t work the way it’s supposed to if you make the trailer too short. And had several dealers caution me on buying a super long bumper pull for stability reasons.


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  • winter
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    Originally posted by soloudinhere View Post


    2. These bumper pulls with the front ramps are tough to tow because the weight is further back from the tongue, and often removing the horse on the drivers side while leaving the other in place is not possible, which is one of the chief advantages of a real 2+1.
    Not true, you can take both horses out backwards or forwards, which is an advantage. I have done it on a friend's trailer that has the front ramp configuration.

    And DMK is right on the axle to weight distribution.

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  • DMK
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    I disagree, trailers like mine are far more likely to put the horse's mass centered directly over the axles which is the best possible place to have all the weight. My last 2 trailers have been 2HBP w/DR (Sundowner 777 WB size and before that a Trail Et New Yorker) and I admit, I was a bit concerned about the length of my trailer and towing. Hah! it pulls BETTER than the other ones! And I'm not pulling it locally either. So far it has been from ATL to Ocala 4 times and to SoPi 1 time, and every damn time I have been driving through some impressive spring winds... as well as around 5,983,890 semis and RVs for the FL trips.

    Now if the trailer was long and the weight was behind the axles, then you would be correct. Mine is actually based on the floor plan of a 3H slant, and in that configuration if, for instance, you were to put the ponies in the front 2 stalls and the WB in the back stall then you are in for a bad ride.

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  • soloudinhere
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    Originally posted by TheJenners View Post
    1. It is a common phrase, I'm tired of PC-Nazis (see, I used another one)

    2. Can you explain? I know ramps usually weight a couple hundred pounds right? I just don't see how it can have that much effect on a ~3500 trailer, but I'm willing to be wrong
    1. it should't be a common phrase because it makes light of a very serious problem that I doubt you would find appropriate if it had happened to you. He who mentions Hitler first, loses, on the other point.

    2. The longer the trailer gets, with the horse's weight further back from the tongue, the more difficult the trailer gets to tow and the longer the wheelbase of the truck required to control it. This trailer layout puts the axles under the horse's weight which are many feet back from the tongue and the trailer is much more likely to sway.

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  • TheJenners
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    1. It is a common phrase, I'm tired of PC-Nazis (see, I used another one)

    2. Can you explain? I know ramps usually weight a couple hundred pounds right? I just don't see how it can have that much effect on a ~3500 trailer, but I'm willing to be wrong

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  • soloudinhere
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    Originally posted by winter View Post
    I've been looking close to me and have seen both cimarron and sundowner make 2H BP with side ramp and dressing room. I think they're both around 18' long and 6'9"wide.
    SD has the dressing room on a slant wall with the ramp on one side, dressing room door on the other. Cimarron has straight across font wall but dressing room door in the nose.
    I have yet to go look at both trailers in person, just photos on the dealers websites. Both are over 30k! ( I live in Canada, we get raped on trailers manufactured in the US)
    1. Rape is sexual assault, not you paying more than you think you should have to for something. Offensive.

    2. These bumper pulls with the front ramps are tough to tow because the weight is further back from the tongue, and often removing the horse on the drivers side while leaving the other in place is not possible, which is one of the chief advantages of a real 2+1.

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  • winter
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    I've been looking close to me and have seen both cimarron and sundowner make 2H BP with side ramp and dressing room. I think they're both around 18' long and 6'9"wide.
    SD has the dressing room on a slant wall with the ramp on one side, dressing room door on the other. Cimarron has straight across font wall but dressing room door in the nose.
    I have yet to go look at both trailers in person, just photos on the dealers websites. Both are over 30k! ( I live in Canada, we get raped on trailers manufactured in the US)

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  • DMK
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    Originally posted by eqsiu View Post

    Some manufacturers make 2 horse straight loads with front ramps and dressing rooms. Not quite as roomy as DMK's setup but may be easier to find.
    when I was researching to buy my trailer, I noticed just about every manufacturer is making a 2H BP with the DR on a slant wall and a side ramp, which I think adds considerably less than the 50+" for most ramps.

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  • TheJenners
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    I have a 2h straight load with rear ramp and "room" in the front, plus a dressing room. I could, in an emergency, get both horses in and then throw the donkeys in through the side door or in the tack room... I've hauled with a horse and a donkey before and the donkey spent the whole trip under the horse, which was nerve wracking watching in the trailer camera, but at least I know I could if I needed.

    A side ramp would be lovely. And I see it only adding, what, maybe four feet to my New Yorker? Not that bad. Of course, I also never use it It is loaned out a lot though, to a PCer mostly but also one time to pick up a motorcycle and another time to go nearly across the state to pick up a rescue mini mule.

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  • asb_own_me
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    My 2+1 was the best trailer I ever had. Unfortunately since I haul multiple carriages for CDEs, I made the difficult decision to sell it and got a 4-horse head to head that's 7'8' wide. If I could have afforded to keep it, I definitely would have. It was easy to maneuver and so convenient to have a "ready stall" at events. Mine was a Balanced Ride - they are made by Hawk - and horses loved the rear-facing ride. I had a lot of extras added to it and I can assure you it was nowhere near the $30K price tag mentioned upthread. It was custom to me, brand new, and so affordable for how convenient it was.

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  • eqsiu
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    Originally posted by vxf111 View Post

    That's what I want. I would never see myself hauling 3. But I would love to have both back doors and a side door and lots of extra heardoom/storage space.

    *covet*
    Some manufacturers make 2 horse straight loads with front ramps and dressing rooms. Not quite as roomy as DMK's setup but may be easier to find.

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  • DMK
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    Originally posted by winter View Post
    DMK Thank you for the pictures!!! How long is this trailer?
    What a dreamy configuration, I love it! I am thinking for two mares and foals, I could load the mares straight and have the two foals in front of them in the +1... so not too much weight up front. I am seriously going to look for this instead of the giant GN 2+1 I was thinking of. I really don't want that big of a trailer.
    I wonder about doing it as you have or still having a separate tack room up front....
    Also, wonderful to have the moveable centre divider.
    It's 21 feet on the floor, so probably a little over 22 feet total. The stalls are about 4" shorter than a wb box, but since it is 8' wide, it really has more room. The head area is 30" instead of 36" but that's overkill for most horses. If it isn't, I can lock the doors open.

    I don't think you could add a tack room, or more accurately, I wouldn't have wanted it too much longer. But I did think about this configuration without stud doors and a tack closet in the nose with a door on the nose. I came up with the shelf idea and went with the doors instead because that gives me so much more storage room. I also had it wired for power so I can live in it at shows.

    Also, I do not believe I'll ever buy a trailer that isn't 8'0 ever again. Between that, the nose shelf and the sliding divider (I have 2 sets of butt bars, and pony and horse settings) I've finally reached trailer nirvana. But the 8' wide is so much more stable. I'll get around to putting an equilizer hitch on the truck, but since I picked it up in late jan it's had over 2600 miles on it, most of them out of state highway miles and it pulls really well. The only day that was not fun was going through high winds and tornado warnings, but all of our friends coming out of Tryon with GN were not enjoying the driver either.

    The sliding divider is awesome it takes me less than 2 minutes to change the config. I highly recommend it, but I think the only manufacturers who get it are those that build the custom rigs for driving people.

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  • vxf111
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    Originally posted by DMK View Post

    Also, it truly IS a "+1" which typically means stud doors (or room for stud doors). Otherwise it is just a 2 horse with a side ramp and some extra room.
    That's what I want. I would never see myself hauling 3. But I would love to have both back doors and a side door and lots of extra heardoom/storage space.

    *covet*

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  • winter
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    DMK Thank you for the pictures!!! How long is this trailer?
    What a dreamy configuration, I love it! I am thinking for two mares and foals, I could load the mares straight and have the two foals in front of them in the +1... so not too much weight up front. I am seriously going to look for this instead of the giant GN 2+1 I was thinking of. I really don't want that big of a trailer.
    I wonder about doing it as you have or still having a separate tack room up front....
    Also, wonderful to have the moveable centre divider.

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  • DMK
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    Originally posted by winter View Post

    DMK I'm trying to picture your trailer. It's a 2H BP with front ramp, but you could potentially configure it to two small box stalls if you wanted to?
    A picture is probably worth a few words. Yes you could, but I'm not terribly comfortable with the idea of a bp with that much potential weight shifting. Now my stall divider is on a sliding rack and I do ship with the scooter in a very narrow stall and Xan in a mini box, but he's a large pony and the back box is over the axles. Shifting weight near the tongue seems like a bad idea. But here's the trailer, empty and packed up for the drive home this weekend.
    View from the stall

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  • wildlifer
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    I don't have one, I don't want to have to haul around that much trailer every single time I go somewhere. I do know 2 people who had 2+1 s and got rid of them for that reason. Both were big ones with fancy tack rooms, etc, & very heavy.

    I do like the idea of them & can see why people like them, I just don't want that. I'm very happy with my 2H BP with dressing room though, it does everything I want, fits just about anywhere, hauls lovely, simple, easy to maintain, horses like it. Maybe if I was one of those people who just eject money every time they sneeze & could own 2 trailers & a dedicated tow vehicle...but nope.

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  • soloudinhere
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    Originally posted by mvp View Post

    Good to know! Some of those doors look too narrow to me. Hmmmmm....
    We put four of those Stanley trunks in my 2+1 dresser this winter - they fit fine through the standard door.

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  • mvp
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    Originally posted by Lucassb View Post

    mvp I've always put my (nice) trunks in the dressing room. Even on stock versions of the trailers I've had, the doors have always been wide enough. Hmmmmm.
    Good to know! Some of those doors look too narrow to me. Hmmmmm....

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  • Lucassb
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    Originally posted by mvp View Post
    Lucassb Do the trunks go in the dressing room?

    If so, yos, make sure to measure that door. It will look wide if it's will be big enough to admit a full-size tack trunk.
    mvp I've always put my (nice) trunks in the dressing room. Even on stock versions of the trailers I've had, the doors have always been wide enough. Hmmmmm.

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