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  • Cat color/sex...can males be dilute? *With pics post 28.

    A quick question. We have a stray/feral cat hanging around the house. (Apparently they know where to find the suckers, because we already have three cats indoors .) DH and I, being the aforementioned suckers, have been feeding it and it's already gotten much less skitish. Last night s/he let me get within a few feet. So we're making progress.

    As to the question...the cat is light grey with a marbled swirly pattern in very light grey. I know dilute tortis are 99.9% always female. (I know this because we already have a dilute torti female ). So far, I can't tell if there is any of the peachy color of a torti in the swirly part of his/her fur. If so, obviously a girl. But...DH swears he saw male kitty parts on the kitty?

    So can male cats be dilute? I know they can be solid grey, but this is the lighter grey of a torti?

    We will trap/neuter/release (...or not depending on the temperament of the cat... ) either way, but knowing the sex would be helpful. And I would prefer to just have one kitty to deal with and not five or six.

    Caitlin
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    I have what I've heard of described as a soft grey tabby, he is male, and he looks an awful lot like my MIL's female in coat color. Honestly I'd say there's a little orange in the midriff hair/belly hair. I'd never seen the coat color until moving here to KY, or anything I'd describe as a dilute torti either, my MIL's cat was the first I'd seen like that, so it may be a regional/local variation, like polydactyl cats.
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    • #3
      Tortis and calicos are nearly always female, dilute or otherwise. Black and orange are base colors carried on the X-chromosome. Females have two X-chromosomes, and can have one copy of orange, and one copy of black. Males, being XY, should only have one X-chromosome with either Black or Orange, and not both. However, there are chromosomal abnormalities in rare instances, male cats that are, for example, XXY, or chimeric.

      That being said, I have seen a fair number of sort of mottled grey cats that look like they could maybe be dilute torties that are really just some variety of grey male kitties.
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      • #4
        I believe that tortoiseshell requires two X chromosomes, as both orange and black are carried on X.

        "Male" tortis are actually XXY.

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          #5
          Thanks. I've always lived in this area and have seen dilute torties, although maybe not as often as other cats, so I've not thought about them being uncommon.

          To make it easier...this is Sadie, the dilute torti I already have. Now picture a cat without the peach color and no white. Just the two shades of grey. Could that cat be male? Everything I'm reading says dilute tricolor cats are female...but what about dilute bicolor cats? I'm really curious now!

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          • #6
            Might be the same color as my Big Fluffy Kitty, who is male.

            http://pets.webshots.com/photo/20719...00789832lKYYGu

            And for those of you following the thread for OT day, I'm sorry to say that this picture was when he first came home with me, so it was prior to any cat shaving adventures
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              #7
              Originally posted by Wayside View Post
              Might be the same color as my Big Fluffy Kitty, who is male.

              http://pets.webshots.com/photo/20719...00789832lKYYGu

              And for those of you following the thread for OT day, I'm sorry to say that this picture was when he first came home with me, so it was prior to any cat shaving adventures
              Pretty kitty! This one doesn't have the beige-ish cast to it's fur. Just two shades of grey in a marbled swirly pattern.

              I will take pics, but it will probably be tomorrow. Heading to a horse show tonight!

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              • #8
                I have no pics but Felix is a short hair, dark grey on the spine, dark grey through the midriff with no visible striping or swirling but from the front has a tiger collar, very faint M, tiger leg stripes and a tiger tail. From the back and if you flip him over he has Big Fluffy's orangey peach, not dark but definitely not white on the soft undertail hair and belly hair.

                My MIL's female is a little more tabby, you can see the swirls, definitely not a dilute tortie as there is no patching.
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                • #9
                  Thank you!

                  Fluffers and my other cat, Alvin, were dumped at a barn I used to board at. Both of them were declawed, and had no idea how to fend for themselves, so they came come with me.

                  Though I'm no expert on cat color genetics, I'm guessing that you've got more of a dilute tabby color if it's just varying shades of grey? If there's no peach/red/orange, then it's probably not a torti.
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                  • #10
                    Males can be dilute. It *sounds* like what you are describing is more of a marbled tabby than a dilute torti.

                    I bet s/he is really cool looking. I love grey cats.
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                    • #11
                      Any two colors patterns, light or dark can be male. The 3 colors are all female except in rare cases and then pretty much sterile. The swirl pattern of a tabby is the "classic tabby", the striped is called a "mackeral tabby" because the pattern resembles a fish skeleton. They can also have spots -- I have a really pretty kitten who was born to a feral mother that is tabby stripes and spots and she's also a dilute torti. Very pretty kitten! I also have a dilute torti who could be Sadie's twin at the barn. The pretty kitten's mother is a mostly grey torti that also looks like she has some Maine Coon cat in there by the looks of her face and her fur. She's beautiful, too. She's been spayed, dewormed, shots, deflea'd and released and I feed her at the barn. Still need to nab the Tom and one kitten that was missed. God bless you for taking on the kitty who needs some help! We have alot and they all have a story!
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                      • #12
                        I think what you have is a tabby, the pattern called classic. Any cat can be dilute - blue is dilute and I have a blue here with classic tuxedo markings

                        Some pics of different tabby markings can be found here: http://www.cc.ysu.edu/~helorime/TabPat.html
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                        • #13
                          I agree with sk sounds like yu are seeing the less common "classic" tabby

                          Perhaps a silver- gray or a smoke dilution

                          this is my classic tabby, ignore the fat wibble

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                            Ooh Hoopoe, looks a lot like my male kitty! including the wibble!

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                            • #15
                              aka "Panther pouch"

                              though wibble is more approachable

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                              • #16
                                This has probably been said already, but here goes.
                                Most cats that are three colors are famale. However, a color can be the same color but dilute. When that happens, it is still just two colors.
                                Such as a gray tabby who has some beige on it. That cat isn't technically "three colors".
                                I had asked my vet about a young male cat we had. He appeared to have three colors, white, gray and brown. She said that was technically still only two colors with a dilute gene on one of them.

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                                • #17
                                  Beautiful cats!

                                  As a cat lover, I just have to say that everyone's cats are simply gorgeous! Skritchies all around to them!

                                  "Panther pouch", "wibble", LOL! One of my nephews named it "dingleflop" when he was little because of the way it flops when the cat runs!

                                  Great thread--please keep the pics of the kitties coming. My tortie is just an ordinary red/black tortie, so I love seeing the beautiful variations.

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                                  • #18
                                    I have/had several male dilutes, my friend has a gorgeous little dilute cream boy right now she's fostering.
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                                      #19
                                      Thanks guys! So he could be a boy!

                                      He's still hanging around, but he comes right at dark and it's hard to get pics.

                                      I think he's curious about our cats in the house. He will come up and eat the food I put out on the patio table (have to put it up high so that the dog across the street won't eat it...grrr). Then he will sit at the patio door and stare in the house. Two out of my three cats are fascinated at this development.... Tonight I opened the window next to the door and talked to him while he was sitting there. He looked at me like I was crazy, but stayed for quite awhile.

                                      Caitlin
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                                      • #20
                                        My truly huge lavender oriental shorthair male with very muddy tabby pattern is reading this thread with me. My other little guy is red with a lousy tabby pattern. He's off somewhere complaining. I've read any number of times that if you really want to understand color genetics, study the orientals. More colors and patterns.

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