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Brainstorming on keeping Evil Burritos out of hay bag

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  • Brainstorming on keeping Evil Burritos out of hay bag

    Soooo donkeys mysteriously getting fatter has been solved

    Set up: one side of the barn has three stalls, one is storage and the other two open into a small attached paddock shared by my Dad's retired horse (named, creatively, Bay) and Evil Burritos. The barn is a Barnmaster style, but I removed the hay mangers that were above the corner feeders and use slow feed nets for the horses; the donkeys have a "mini" size hay feeder/trough thing in their stall in which they get their hay, in smaller and smaller amounts recently because they had been porking up greatly. They will be ready for T'giving dinner at this rate. There is a chain across the burrito stall so that Bay can't get in, but there is really no way to keep them out of his stall unless I shut the door, which I don't want because Bay has ringbone. Plus in another couple months the horses will be "up" permanently for a few months and not go out into paddocks during the day. I could try locking the donkeys into their stall at night, but I'm sure they would destroy it and/or MacGyver a way out.

    We did start pulling the hay bag with any leftover hay out because I figured they were eating the leftovers Bay didn't eat after he went out, but now I am 100 percent certain they are eating it through the night as well if Bay walks away from it. My Dad got this video one morning while mucking:

    https://youtu.be/BKQJKVZmhFU

    Ideas?
    COTH's official mini-donk enabler

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  • #2
    OMG, I love the determination! So evil!

    What if you built a barrier larger than the feed tub that would keep them from performing that adorable rearing manuever? Same principle as a baffle for a bird feeder. Maybe a large piece of plywood or old tractor tire cut into a quarter-circle, and mounted appropriately? (Make sure it's safe obvs.) Horse is tall enough to reach over, donks cannot.

    I went through this same thing with my mini-donk, although it's abated over time because now both horses will stand up to him. I wrote about it here: https://thesmallhorsefarm.blogspot.c...ni-donkey.html. My solution was to build a feeder tall enough that he couldn't reach into it, but I'm not sure he was as determined/acrobatic as your Evil Burritos. Looks like they might just jump in!
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    • #3
      I have no solutions but I laughed out loud at that video and the name of the video only added to the laughing.

      Burritos are just too smart for their own good.

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      • #4
        Would getting an even smaller holed hay net be an option with the horse? I have nets with 1/2" holes for my donkeys and they get almost free choice hay in those nets. Takes them a very long time to eat it all.

        If the horse will tolerate holes that small, it would make it harder for the evil burritos to steal his hay and they'd eat less.

        How tall is the horse?

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        • #5
          What a naughty little monkey

          How cool would it be to rig up a platform that Bay has to step on to drop the net down to eating level, that raises the net up and away when he's not on it? The burritos wouldn't be heavy enough to trigger it. That's probably not at ALL feasible, but it's fun to think about

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Simkie View Post
            What a naughty little monkey

            How cool would it be to rig up a platform that Bay has to step on to drop the net down to eating level, that raises the net up and away when he's not on it? The burritos wouldn't be heavy enough to trigger it. That's probably not at ALL feasible, but it's fun to think about
            This idea made me giggle.
            I can totally see those two watching the hay bag lift up and down and wondering what the heck and then working together to put enough weight on the trigger so the bag came down.
            This burrito collection is clearly smart.

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            • #7
              Get a car innertube, sized to fit around the grain feeder.
              Put it around the feeder right below the lip.
              Air it up so the part behind the feeder will fill that space and hold it there, let the front expand to full innertube size.

              Fasten it in front in 2-3 places with twist ties, may need to drill suitable little holes on the feeder lip for that.

              Now it will make a barrier for evil burrito, that now barely reaches.
              Maybe he will not be able to reach the hay bag hanging there, with the wider distance to it.

              The horse still can reach it across the now wider "lip" the innertube will provide.
              The innertube should be fairly accident proof, hard to get hurt on that, I think.

              The basic idea is to put distance between evil burrito and hay bag.
              Maybe just get a bigger grain bin, even those round ones with a lip and hang it in there.

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              • #8
                As much fun as all these creative ideas are... could you just hang the net in a different, feeder-less corner so they don't have anything to climb on? I am sure they would probably figure another way, eventually, but it might prove too much effort. I might also try hanging it horizontally (from each end) instead of vertically. I had to do that to deter my very determined goat, who is only marginally smaller than a burrito, and even more agile.

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                • #9
                  Wow - Little bugger's got skills. Can you separate the paddock with a panel up the center so that there are two instead of them sharing one?
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                    #10
                    I could but I don't want to. Part of the bonus of a full size horse sharing the 1/3 acre paddock with the donkeys is the full size horse eats down and otherwise destroys the paddock into what is basically a dirt lot, which is healthiest for the donkeys. Also why I was confused at the weight gain...

                    I didn't think of hanging it in the other corner without the feeder, and am headed back out now to move the just filled net Maybe I'll move the security camera too.
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                    "I am all for reaching out, but in some situations it needs to be done with a rolled up news paper." Alagirl

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                    • #11
                      How hilariously annoying.

                      Have you considered putting grazing muzzles on the donkeys? Mine can still manage to eat hay out of a slow hole net with a muzzle on, but it slows down the rate a lot. I use the Greenguard muzzles with the Greenguard halter and get little to no objection from them wearing it.

                      When I was boarding last year, it was a steep learning curve with my barn owners that my donkey WILL stand on her hind legs to eat her horsey friend's feed, no matter how high you place it. "Aw shucks, she can't reach..." bull crap!!! Where there's a donkey will, there's a donkey way!

                      My next great invention (ha, that implies I've had other great inventions) is going to be bluetooth horse feeders.
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                      • #12
                        No ideas, laughed out loud at video. This situation reminds me of trying to keep squirrels from the bird feeders when I lived up north. Suffice to say that I did not win that battle.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Trimming View Post
                          Would getting an even smaller holed hay net be an option with the horse? I have nets with 1/2" holes for my donkeys and they get almost free choice hay in those nets. Takes them a very long time to eat it all.
                          What brand and where did you get the nets with 1/2" holes? I've searched for them online and have come up with nothing. Thanks!

                          Sorry for hijacking the thread.

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                            https://youtu.be/8QWnMdvYKM0

                            OK so the camera battery was already low and it died before midnight but... Most of the videos showed Bay at the hay, or Bay standing in the stall and Odie (darker colored donkey in the IR video) standing underneath eating scraps. Then there was this one. So Argie still definitely will rear up and eat some hay, but perhaps not as much? Last video was Bay eating, and this morning it was empty, so charging the camera and will put it back up and try again tonight and see if Bay is getting the horse's share of the hay
                            COTH's official mini-donk enabler

                            "I am all for reaching out, but in some situations it needs to be done with a rolled up news paper." Alagirl

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Garythesquirrel View Post

                              What brand and where did you get the nets with 1/2" holes? I've searched for them online and have come up with nothing. Thanks!

                              Sorry for hijacking the thread.

                              I bough them on eBay. Search for this as these are the sellers of mine:

                              Slow Feed Hay Bag, Net Style, 3/4" Mesh - Heavy Woven Polypropylene

                              I'll go measure my nets later today. Perhaps they are 3/4" it's been a long time since I bought them and they are holding up really well. I've had to make a few small repairs but that's it.

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                              • #16
                                It looks like Argie comes in and pushes Bay away. Poor Bay, being bullied by two cute little burritos.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                                  It looks like Argie comes in and pushes Bay away. Poor Bay, being bullied by two cute little burritos.
                                  Yeah, he looked quite discontent in the beginning, being shoved out of the way Bunch of rotten little burritos.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Heinz 57 View Post

                                    Yeah, he looked quite discontent in the beginning, being shoved out of the way Bunch of rotten little burritos.
                                    Poor Bay actually gets a half-hearted double-barrel kick to move him away from the hay. You can see the butt go up and the legs go out, but you can't see where it lands. Little punks!

                                    It's like a teenager having two irritating young siblings tagging along everywhere and making their life miserable.
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                                    • #19
                                      What about splitting the paddock area but including a gate. Open it during the day, but close it at night so Bay can eat in peace.

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                                      • #20
                                        Oh, yup, hmm...that is a pickle!

                                        You know what I've seen work in the past? Not giving the donk any/much hay of his or her own, and letting them scavenge what the horses drop. As you say, they're so small they go in and out of the stalls anyway. Of course, this could be either very workable to an extremely bad idea depending on how careless the horses are.

                                        You'd uh...need to find another way to hang the hay net though, because those are some motivated donkey.

                                        ETA: Just watched the IR video. This is a tricky one.
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