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UPDATE: Head restraints in trucks

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  • UPDATE: Head restraints in trucks

    I know many vehicles these days have obnoxious head restraints that want your head to tip forward if you like to sit up in your seat. I'd like to hear from people which trucks have the least tendency to do this, and which trucks you can flip the restraint 180 degrees to avoid the problem--but preferably without removing all usefulness of the restraint. (Example: if backwards it points 10 degrees backward of vertical= not bad. Pointing 45 degrees backwards= pretty bad.) I unfortunately may need to replace my 2004 Explorer as a tow vehicle and would probably go with a 1500 type truck.
    That's fine, many of us have slid down this slippery slope and became very happy (and broke) doing it. We may not have a retirement, but we have memories ...

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    I hate those... being short means it always hits me in the worst spot on my head.
    2008 Ram 1500 has nice headrests. Don't know if they changed it though.

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    • #3
      You will be hard pressed to find any current generation vehicle that permits moving the "headrest" portion of the seat backward and out of position. It's required safety equipment. Most are also "active" devices these days which means they come farther forward in a collision to keep one's head from snapping back as far to reduce whiplash. But they shouldn't be overly uncomfortable if adjusted correctly for height. Folks who wear pony tails may need to move things lower if they normally wear the "tail" up higher on the back of the head for obvious reasons...at least while driving. But for horse folks, this isn't any different than what's required when wearing a safety helmet with a ponytail.

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        Originally posted by OTTBs View Post
        I know many vehicles these days have obnoxious head restraints that want your head to tip forward if you like to sit up in your seat. I'd like to hear from people which trucks have the least tendency to do this, and which trucks you can flip the restraint 180 degrees to avoid the problem--but preferably without removing all usefulness of the restraint. (Example: if backwards it points 10 degrees backward of vertical= not bad. Pointing 45 degrees backwards= pretty bad.) I unfortunately may need to replace my 2004 Explorer as a tow vehicle and would probably go with a 1500 type truck.
        All new vehicles today have these because they're required safety equipment. none of my newer vehicles allow me to remove them. I'm petite, so I simply raise the rest so that my head rests on the bottom/curve of it and I can sit up fine.
        Originally posted by PeanutButterPony
        you can shackle your pony to a lawn chair at the show...so long as its in a conservative color.

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          Originally posted by Jim_in_PA View Post
          But they shouldn't be overly uncomfortable if adjusted correctly for height.
          I am short and I hate to recline while driving, i.e. I like to sit up straight. I rent a lot of vehicles for business travel and I can tell you that there are some models that absolutely cannot be adjusted in any way that makes the headrest comfortable. Believe me, I've tried. At least now days most vehicles have height adjustments for the seat belts, which I deeply appreciate.

          OP, I don't know if this is true or not, but some time ago I was complaining about the seats being too deep on every truck I sat in and a guy suggested that the next time I was truck shopping I should look at a Toyota Tundra because he test drove one and felt like the interior was better suited for a smaller person. Like I said, I have no idea if this is accurate; I'm just passing it along.

          "Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything
          that's even remotely true."

          Homer Simpson

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          • #6
            We haven't found a good solution to this problem with our cars, other than to tip the seat back to wherever the head rest is comfortable, then crank the lumbar support.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by NoSuchPerson View Post

              I am short and I hate to recline while driving, i.e. I like to sit up straight. I rent a lot of vehicles for business travel and I can tell you that there are some models that absolutely cannot be adjusted in any way that makes the headrest comfortable. Believe me, I've tried. At least now days most vehicles have height adjustments for the seat belts, which I deeply appreciate.

              OP, I don't know if this is true or not, but some time ago I was complaining about the seats being too deep on every truck I sat in and a guy suggested that the next time I was truck shopping I should look at a Toyota Tundra because he test drove one and felt like the interior was better suited for a smaller person. Like I said, I have no idea if this is accurate; I'm just passing it along.
              I would agree with this. SO has a 2012 Tundra and I find it more comfortable and ergonomical to drive then my Honda Civic. I can comfortably sit up straight while leaning back into the seat without my head getting awkwardly pushed forward.
              I catch myself all the time in my Civic leaning forward because I find the head rest so uncomfortable. This just compounds the neck and shoulder issues I already have.

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              • #8
                In general, Japanese cars are designed for smaller people s the population of Japan is overall smaller than US. I’m petite and I feel like I’m driving a house inside my new ford pickup. That said I have the bench seat XLT and find the headrest unobtrusive.
                Originally posted by PeanutButterPony
                you can shackle your pony to a lawn chair at the show...so long as its in a conservative color.

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                • #9
                  Of course...Tundra is made in Texas for a long time now., my friend. Pretty much was designed for the US market. The original design was, in fact, smaller (I had a 2000) and was made "over there" at the time. The current generation feels pretty large to me inside!

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                    Originally posted by Jim_in_PA View Post
                    You will be hard pressed to find any current generation vehicle that permits moving the "headrest" portion of the seat backward and out of position. It's required safety equipment.
                    Baloney. My 2014 car has the headrest turned backwards, and a friend's 2017 Ram does too. Are you only referring to 2018 models? Because I'm shopping for 10 year old trucks, or older. So if anyone has actual information on trucks where the headrest can or can't be turned around, or is actually decently placed, I'd still like to hear from them.

                    GoodTimes and NoSuchPerson, thanks for agreeing. I'm 5'9" so I can't raise headrests high enough for them not to bother me, and I want to stay awake while driving so I'm not tilting the seat back. I'm considering a Tundra but I'd probably have to get one so old it was made before the "required safety equipment" BS became an issue. Oops, if they're made for smaller people maybe I shouldn't look at them, I just reread the previous posts.

                    Side note, I rented a Hyundai SUV in 2013 that had headrests with adjustable tilt. Why the heck they can't put those in all cars is beyond me.
                    That's fine, many of us have slid down this slippery slope and became very happy (and broke) doing it. We may not have a retirement, but we have memories ...

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                      You didn't mention in your OP that you were shopping for older trucks. I'm sorry that my comments were not to your liking. I was only trying to help.

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                        Really. Would have helped to know that.

                        My 2002, 2005, and 2010 GMC vehicles do not have angled headrests.
                        Originally posted by PeanutButterPony
                        you can shackle your pony to a lawn chair at the show...so long as its in a conservative color.

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                        • #13
                          I wish those who wrote the safety regulations spoke with a physical therapist before insisting on a headrest that tilts your head forward. Years ago I had problems with spasm in my neck. One of the things they wanted me to avoid was tilting my head forward. And yes, those obnoxious headrests causes me to have pain in my neck

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                          • #14
                            I'm not even following this headrest talk, but I'm 5'8" with a 2010 Tundra and no issue with obnoxious headrest.

                            ETA: I find my older Tundra more comfortable than my newer MDX. General comfort, not headrest specific.

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                            • #15
                              I have the headrest turned around on my 2008 Chevy 2500.

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                                Update: I ended up with a 2013 Tundra with plenty of miles on it, and turned the headrest around.

                                What else I found while looking: 2006 Ram's headrest didn't bother me despite being tilted forward. 2006 F150 headrest I was pretty sure I could not live with, would have been no use turned around. 2007 Escalade headrest was fine. I saw one 2008 Tundra with headrests that tilted a bit, then saw another where they didn't. The tilting ones had a video screen on the back of them, I'd love to know if that was aftermarket or an option on the Tundra. I've tried searching to see if I could find similar ones for my truck.
                                That's fine, many of us have slid down this slippery slope and became very happy (and broke) doing it. We may not have a retirement, but we have memories ...

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                                  Originally posted by OTTBs View Post
                                  Update: I ended up with a 2013 Tundra with plenty of miles on it, and turned the headrest around.

                                  What else I found while looking: 2006 Ram's headrest didn't bother me despite being tilted forward. 2006 F150 headrest I was pretty sure I could not live with, would have been no use turned around. 2007 Escalade headrest was fine. I saw one 2008 Tundra with headrests that tilted a bit, then saw another where they didn't. The tilting ones had a video screen on the back of them, I'd love to know if that was aftermarket or an option on the Tundra. I've tried searching to see if I could find similar ones for my truck.
                                  That would be aftermarket on a 2008 tundra. DVD systems were not commonplace then.
                                  Originally posted by PeanutButterPony
                                  you can shackle your pony to a lawn chair at the show...so long as its in a conservative color.

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                                    Originally posted by cheval convert View Post
                                    I wish those who wrote the safety regulations spoke with a physical therapist before insisting on a headrest that tilts your head forward. Years ago I had problems with spasm in my neck. One of the things they wanted me to avoid was tilting my head forward. And yes, those obnoxious headrests causes me to have pain in my neck

                                    This! I'm just under 5'1", and driving ANY vehicle for more than 15 minutes results in serious neck and upper back pain. If I tilt the seat back, I can't see over the end of the hood (except in very small cars), so that's not an option. Generally, I end up leaning forward to keep my head off the headrest completely; otherwise, my chin gets tilted all the way down to my chest.

                                    Modern vehicles were not designed for short people. And these "safety" features (including airbags, in most vehicles, as I typically can't sit far enough away from the steering wheel and still fully depress the brake/accelerator) are actually DANGEROUS for someone my size.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Montanas_Girl View Post


                                      This! I'm just under 5'1", and driving ANY vehicle for more than 15 minutes results in serious neck and upper back pain. If I tilt the seat back, I can't see over the end of the hood (except in very small cars), so that's not an option. Generally, I end up leaning forward to keep my head off the headrest completely; otherwise, my chin gets tilted all the way down to my chest.

                                      Modern vehicles were not designed for short people. And these "safety" features (including airbags, in most vehicles, as I typically can't sit far enough away from the steering wheel and still fully depress the brake/accelerator) are actually DANGEROUS for someone my size.
                                      I am 5'2 and also have issues. I read a facebook post a couple of months ago about proper fitting seat belts for children and thus the need for booster seats Many short people were complaining that seat belts didn't fit them correctly according to the provided diagram. And others on the thread told them that they should really be sitting on a pillow because by not they are being irresponsable. I didn't post but if sitting on a pillow so that your seat belt fits like the diagram then HOW ARE YOU TO REACH THE PEDALS????? Obviously not short people posting. And yes there are movable pedals. But what I have found is then you knees and thighs hurt because you have to physically hold up your leg. This is the very reason why I am so bummed my car was totaled out by insurance when I was hit last month! Finding a comfortable car is crazy difficult for me and for my large framed but not tall husband. UGH! Gimme back my Grand Marquis PLEASE!

                                      AND THOSE HEADRESTS. I wear my hair in a bun frequently and it never works. NEVER in most cars.

                                      But as to trucks Chevys have always seem better suited for short folks than fords. Although I have issues parking our 2014 Silverado 3/4 ton. I pretty much wait until there is no one around and run to it so no one sees how badly I park in angled spaces!

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