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  • Originally posted by JER View Post
    Yes it is! Very exciting. This is a good example in how a sport can evolve in a positive way.



    Yes, he's a PC guy. He's ranked #50 in the world; as I mentioned earlier, Bowsher is #74, but Sacksen's ranking didn't get him into the Olympics and Bowsher qualified via a 4th at Pan Ams (Sacksen was 6th).



    1. That would be boring. The riding phase, along with the run/shoot, are fun to watch. Fencing and swimming aren't very spectator friendly.

    2. Showjumping is a good test for these athletes. The standard just needs to be raised. It's very difficult for this to happen in countries that don't have an established or accessible equestrian culture but the UIPM is trying.

    3. Dressage judging is subjective. Why introduce that element to this sport?

    I hope everyone tunes in tomorrow for the women's event. You will see some good riding, I promise, even from the Americans. And please make special cheers for our Canadian girls, who are both excellent riders.

    The problem with showjumping is it doesn't mimic the original concept of the sport, i.e a soldier behind enemy lines commandeering an unfamiliar horse. That soldier is hardly going to take said horse and go around a course of jumps on a sand ring. He's going to take off like a bat out of hell across country, probably jump some obstacles, maybe negotiate some other scenarios like open a gate while on horseback, go down steep inclines, go through water etc.

    Maybe if the riding portion was a modified XC course, with alternate routes that incurred time penalties for those riders not as confident in their or the horse's ability to jump some of the obstacles. Throw in a few things that test horsemanship like having to back your way through a narrow chute. Borrow some elements from those Portuguese working equitation speed tests.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5895K-Xjupk

    I acknowledge that the fencing probably has to be a stand alone test. But maybe something like this, do the fencing first. Then use the standings to have staggered start times (as they do now in for the running/shooting part) for a ridden XC/horsemanship test. Then jump off your horse, pull off your boots, breeches and helmet and jump into the water for the swimming portion. Then out of the water and put on a pair of running shoes and straight into the running/shooting combined.
    Now that would be exciting.

    Granted you'd have to work out some kinks like multiple horses/riders on course at the same time, esp if they were approaching the same obstacle. But that might even add to the excitement.
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    • Originally posted by vineyridge View Post
      The new running and shooting does the same as biathlon in skiing. Just being able to slow your breathing and heart pumping from running to the stillness required to shoot accurately takes one hell of an athlete.

      If the showjumping course is 1.20 meters, that's the same as the sj for eventing at the 4* level.
      The jumps didn't look 1.20m. Looked more like 1m, if that.
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      • Don't flood the poor man with emails, but from my research, it appears that this individual is the Riding Coach for the US Team:
        http://www.eqcntrintl.com/about_us_home.html

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        • Originally posted by MHM View Post
          It is a little funny to think that the sport is based on such an outdated idea of the necessary skills for a soldier.
          So is eventing.

          When the Olympics began, the fledgling organizing committee had to come up with events to ensure military participation. Military competitions were often separate from open competition. This is how eventing started, and there were also military designations for shooting, and, at the winter games in Chamonix, a competition called Military Patrol.

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          • Originally posted by LetsGoXC View Post
            Don't flood the poor man with emails, but from my research, it appears that this individual is the Riding Coach for the US Team:
            http://www.eqcntrintl.com/about_us_home.html
            That man was expelled from USEF some years ago. The info is on the USEF website.

            I hear he has fallen out of favour with USA pentathlon and the current coach is Richard Lamb.

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            • Yikes. I'd never even heard of this before, until I was at the gym, and a clip of the rider pulling that poor horse over with his death grip. And are we sure on the jump heights? Bc they didn't look over about a meter to me. Still about a meter too big though. I just find it all embarrassing, that you can represent your country at the Olympics riding at that level, combined sport or not.

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              • Richard Lamb is the current riding coach.
                Hindsight bad, foresight good.

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                • Originally posted by JER View Post
                  ... the current coach is Richard Lamb.
                  Do you happen to know how old he is? Or if there is a bio for him online somewhere?

                  I took lessons from somebody by that name many(!) years ago. I wonder if it could be the same person.

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                  • Probably the same. Here is an article on him:

                    http://sidelinesnews.com/weekly-feat...chardlamb.html
                    Hindsight bad, foresight good.

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                    • Originally posted by ElisLove View Post
                      I really want to watch this! Does anyone know how to get ctvolympics.com working again? I watched it for a few days on this computer, turned the computer off for night, and since then I have not been able to get any of the videos working at all!
                      So "glad" to hear I am not the only one!!! I went away for a week and did not use my computer and I have not been able to get a stream or a replay to work AT ALL. I get "Your video will start shortly" and nothing happens.
                      I think I will try and watch through expat shield and bbc.

                      I can watch any other video by the way, just NO ctv. I uninstalled and re-installed Silverlight... restored to a date before I left... and nothing works... rather frustrating!!

                      it is ctvolympics.ca not .com... still it won't work!

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                      • Originally posted by Badger View Post
                        Probably the same. Here is an article on him:

                        http://sidelinesnews.com/weekly-feat...chardlamb.html
                        Thanks! That was an interesting read.

                        The article doesn't mention the place where I took lessons as a kid, but that might have been him.

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                        • Originally posted by shadytrake View Post
                          Korean rider...holy crap. Idiot.
                          Totally agree. However, I commend him for getting back on. I wouldn't have.

                          Originally posted by shadytrake View Post
                          The Japanese rider gave a respectable effort and was not handsy. Just had a shove at a jump and the horse said no.
                          And you would have noticed if he were because he had the LOUDEST pair of schooling gloves imaginable. Really, he must have lost his plain black ones.

                          Originally posted by dghunter View Post
                          COTH should award its own medals for the horses...
                          This calls for a new thread!
                          2012 goal: learn to ride like a Barn Rat

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                          • I also noticed most of the riders were too concerned about getting around under the time rather than the rails. (The Chinese guy who did the fist pump, for one.) JER, what's the usual MPM for these courses? I can't seem to find it.

                            Also -- now that Pony Club is doing sort of a "continuing education" program for adult riders, I wonder if requiring Pentathletes that *aren't* from a riding background (e.g., this Bowsher kid) to participate would help. That, or we send him to George Morris to rip him a new a**hole.
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                            fri [fri:] fritt fria (adj): Free
                            skritt [skrit:] skritten (noun): Walk

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                            • Originally posted by FrittSkritt View Post
                              JER, what's the usual MPM for these courses?
                              350 metres per minute.

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                              • Originally posted by LetsGoXC View Post
                                Don't flood the poor man with emails, but from my research, it appears that this individual is the Riding Coach for the US Team:
                                http://www.eqcntrintl.com/about_us_home.html
                                Did you look at some of the horses for sale on that website? It might just be my eyes but none of them looked like they were worth the price they're asking for them. They claim that most of them are jumpers but I don't see that happening!

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                                • Originally posted by JER View Post
                                  350 metres per minute.
                                  That's pretty speedy... Prelim I think. Slowing it down to 325 might stop the gunning to fences and careening around corners.
                                  Road to the T3D
                                  Translation
                                  fri [fri:] fritt fria (adj): Free
                                  skritt [skrit:] skritten (noun): Walk

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                                  • Originally posted by FrittSkritt View Post
                                    That's pretty speedy... Prelim I think. Slowing it down to 325 might stop the gunning to fences and careening around corners.
                                    No, it's beginner novice. A nice steady canter, but no need to gun it. Prelim is 520
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                                    • Just started watching the men's replay... But that little black horse that went first, I need him in my life. Love him.

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                                      • It just came on tv here in Oz.

                                        So 20 faults for a rail and the time does seem to be tight. Also like that big black horse with the bald face.

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                                        • Originally posted by Big_Grey_hunter View Post
                                          No, it's beginner novice. A nice steady canter, but no need to gun it. Prelim is 520
                                          For cross country, yes. For showjumping, no.
                                          Road to the T3D
                                          Translation
                                          fri [fri:] fritt fria (adj): Free
                                          skritt [skrit:] skritten (noun): Walk

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