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  • Outcome of the FEI dressage judging thing

    It was at the bottom of the doping press release:

    REPORT BY THE SECOND FEI VICE PRESIDENT ON DRESSAGE

    A detailed report on the findings of the FEI Second Vice President concerning a meeting held in Hong Kong was produced. The conclusion of the report is that the meetings had not affected the judging. The procedure will, however, be tightened so that this will not happen again. Dressage has had an excellent competition which was judged to the high standards expected at the Olympic Games.

    from http://www.fei.org/Media/News_Centre...g-21Aug08.aspx

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    Well that's comforting.
    Ring the bells that still can ring
    Forget your perfect offering
    There is a crack in everything
    That's how the light gets in.

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    • #3
      Boy, for a detailed report it sure says a whole lot of nothing!
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      • #4
        Kumbaya, Kumbaya, Kumbaya, Kumbaya

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        • #5
          Originally posted by MelantheLLC View Post
          Well that's comforting.
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          NO! What was the question?

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          • #6
            I get the feeling they're trying to keep a lid on a boiling pot.

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            • #7
              Anybody notice that gymnastics seems to have the same judging problems as dressage?

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              • #8
                noted that in diving top TWO and bottom TWO scores tossed, leaving middle three (times degree of difficulty) for results
                Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

                The reports states, “Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.”

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BAC View Post
                  Anybody notice that gymnastics seems to have the same judging problems as dressage?
                  I found the gymnastics judging to be even more annoying. Not only was the scoring completely incomprehensible but it took a very long time to get the scores. I also remember one of the commentators saying something along the lines of the head judge could at any time override a score and give whatever score they wanted. I was shocked by that, it seemed horribly unfair.
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                  • #10
                    too bad the detailed reports i have to do for work have to actually have something in them

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by lxt View Post
                      It was at the bottom of the doping press release:

                      REPORT BY THE SECOND FEI VICE PRESIDENT ON DRESSAGE

                      A detailed report on the findings of the FEI Second Vice President concerning a meeting held in Hong Kong was produced. The conclusion of the report is that the meetings had not affected the judging. The procedure will, however, be tightened so that this will not happen again. Dressage has had an excellent competition which was judged to the high standards expected at the Olympic Games.

                      from http://www.fei.org/Media/News_Centre...g-21Aug08.aspx
                      Can you say nothing in a hundred words or less?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by BAC View Post
                        Anybody notice that gymnastics seems to have the same judging problems as dressage?
                        They always have, so has ice skating. Any big sport with subjective scoring is going to be like that.

                        Remember the year Oksana Bayul won gold in ice skating? There was a whole heap of weird about that.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by lxt View Post
                          "Dressage has had an excellent competition which was judged to the high standards expected at the Olympic Games."
                          <*SNORT*> Please. I thought the judging was fine until Anky and Isabel entered the arena, then it turned into a total joke (especially the freestyle). There is NO WAY that the outcome was not predetermined, with scores as ridiculous as they were for AvG & IW (especially Anky).

                          A couple of tipoffs (besides the scores themselves): after her freestyle ride where Satchmo jumped around during the piaffe, IW looked DISAPPOINTED that she *only* got a 78%. After such a big mistake, (and horrible piaffes throughout the test), she should have been GLAD to have been given the best score of all the freestyles so far, and to have beaten SP, who had a great ride.

                          And also how Anky didn't feel the need to halt, but acted like she won as soon as her test was over - and then received a score 6 PERCENTAGE POINTS HIGHER than SP, even though her test was worse than his in a few ways I saw. Assuming that the judges saw things I didn't, that STILL doesn't explain an 82% VS 76%!!!!!

                          Like I said, a total joke.

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                          • #14
                            To quote the Mythbusters: "Well, THAT was a whole lot of nothing!"
                            The inherent vice of Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
                            Winston Churchill

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Siswai View Post
                              <*SNORT*> Please. I thought the judging was fine until Anky and Isabel entered the arena, then it turned into a total joke (especially the freestyle). There is NO WAY that the outcome was not predetermined, with scores as ridiculous as they were for AvG & IW (especially Anky).

                              A couple of tipoffs (besides the scores themselves): after her freestyle ride where Satchmo jumped around during the piaffe, IW looked DISAPPOINTED that she *only* got a 78%. After such a big mistake, (and horrible piaffes throughout the test), she should have been GLAD to have been given the best score of all the freestyles so far, and to have beaten SP, who had a great ride.

                              And also how Anky didn't feel the need to halt, but acted like she won as soon as her test was over - and then received a score 6 PERCENTAGE POINTS HIGHER than SP, even though her test was worse than his in a few ways I saw. Assuming that the judges saw things I didn't, that STILL doesn't explain an 82% VS 76%!!!!!

                              Like I said, a total joke.
                              I have to disagree with you, allthough I am a fan of SP and Ravel, it was obvious that he lost many points in all of his transitions (which isn't strange for such a young horse). When I put the ride of Hans Peter and Nadine next to the ride of SP and Ravel, Hans Peter should have been the one who should have felt robbed from a medal.



                              Theo

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by freestyle2music View Post
                                I have to disagree with you, allthough I am a fan of SP and Ravel, it was obvious that he lost many points in all of his transitions (which isn't strange for such a young horse). When I put the ride of Hans Peter and Nadine next to the ride of SP and Ravel, Hans Peter should have been the one who should have felt robbed from a medal.
                                I think I enjoyed HP's ride on Nadine most of all. Yeah, there were bobbles here and there and the mare ran out of steam at the end, but the music was catchy and suited them, and they both looked as though they were having fun most of the time. It looked pleasant and had a rather carefree quality about it and was the way I envision dressage should be - light, elegant, fun for both horse and rider, and enjoyable for the spectator.

                                SP and Ravel made green horse mistakes, but they will be a force to be reckoned with in the coming years.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by BAC View Post
                                  Anybody notice that gymnastics seems to have the same judging problems as dressage?
                                  Yup. Had a long discussion about it with my parents the other day. It's insane, and sad.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Coral View Post
                                    I found the gymnastics judging to be even more annoying. Not only was the scoring completely incomprehensible but it took a very long time to get the scores. I also remember one of the commentators saying something along the lines of the head judge could at any time override a score and give whatever score they wanted. I was shocked by that, it seemed horribly unfair.
                                    Add to that the fact it took so long was because they now get to watch instant replay. What a crock.
                                    "IT'S NOT THE MOUNTAIN WE CONQUER, BUT OURSELVES." SIR EDMUND HILLARYMember of the "Someone Special To Me Serves In The Military" Clique

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by DownYonder View Post
                                      I think I enjoyed HP's ride on Nadine most of all. Yeah, there were bobbles here and there and the mare ran out of steam at the end, but the music was catchy and suited them, and they both looked as though they were having fun most of the time. It looked pleasant and had a rather carefree quality about it and was the way I envision dressage should be - light, elegant, fun for both horse and rider, and enjoyable for the spectator.

                                      SP and Ravel made green horse mistakes, but they will be a force to be reckoned with in the coming years.
                                      What I hate about this whole dressage circus is the fact that when you draw the first or one of the first starting places you have to ride so much better.

                                      And yes I already predicted many months ago that SP and Ravel were on medal course, and that CK and Mythilus should be considered as a very important part of the USA team. What I really didn't understand from Courtney is that she didn't Pull The Throttle in the GPS and the FTM.

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                                      • #20
                                        I haven't seen the rides except for the tiny bit shown on TV, so I'm not critical of the judging here, but I realized something fundamental.

                                        With the jumping and eventing, I put myself in media blackout so that I could watch without knowing the results, to keep the suspense up. With the dressage, I didn't bother.

                                        Why not? Because I already knew what the result would be.

                                        I don't mean that in terms of crooked judges necessarily, but just in terms of how dressage is judged. There's little suspense. Apparently even if the top horse gives his rider the finger, the outcome barely changes.

                                        Compare that to watching the show jumping, where any of 20 riders could've been on top, or gymnastics, where even our very dominant top two girls could have made a critical mistake, or even for goodness' sake the dreaded Beach Volleyball, where the very dominant and very reliable Misty May Trainor and Kerry Walsh still had me on the edge of my seat on multiple occasions, wondering if this match would be the end of their streak.

                                        I enjoy watching dressage as a performance, but it's not a sport. Not because the horse and rider aren't athletes - they certainly are - but for the same reason that Cirque du Soleil can be beautiful and athletic and not a sport. Even if there are judges, if the outcome is never in doubt, you're not going to get that Olympic suspense.
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