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  • Very costly mistakes of Isabelle and Anky

    Just to give you an opinion :

    We all have seen the mistakes both Anky and Isabelle made in the GPS.

    Both movements involved could have scored 100 points

    Anky received for this movement 19 points and Isabelle received 18 points.

    Hope this explanation will help !


  • #2
    Not even a little bit.

    What on earth are you talking about?


    • #3
      I read that Isabell was given 0s by some judges on that - deservedly so. But the rest of test scored very highly - deservedly so.

      As for Anky, even that mistake aside, I still think Steffen rode a better all over test today, and I still think that I have never seen Anky appear to enjoy a competition less than this one. But that's just my opinion.


      • #4
        Thanks Theo,

        The numbers are always interesting. For anyone who competes, its very understood how you can have a quite good test on some days that scores low depending on where your errors fall exactly in the test and other days it doesn't hurt you so much. Nevertheless, you will get marked down where needed, but you can "earn points back" on another movement. It also speaks to the overall high quality of the rest of the tests that each woman put in. I'm anxious to see how they adjust for their rough spots for the freestyle. Either way, it makes for exciting sport in my book.

        No other sport relies on another living creature with its own feelings, sensations, attitudes, and instincts. Its that art of communication and sometimes miscommunication that can happen to any rider at any time that makes it fascinating. There is a relationship there that must work. Not always so black and white, but the judge does HAVE to give a score.


        • #5
          Originally posted by yaya View Post
          Not even a little bit.

          What on earth are you talking about?
          5 judges each with the ability to give a 10 out of 10.
          That's 50 points right there.
          Add the coefficient of 2 into it which doubles the mark each judge awards and that gives you 100 POSSIBLE points to be earned on that one movement that was ruined.

          Anky received 19 out of a possible 100 or 19% on that movement.
          Isabell received 18 out of a possible 100 or 18% on that movement.

          I think Theo is trying to point out that neither of them were given any kind of a gift on that movement.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by dressagetraks View Post
            As for Anky, even that mistake aside, I still think Steffen rode a better all over test today, and I still think that I have never seen Anky appear to enjoy a competition less than this one. But that's just my opinion.
            She's not pregnant again, is she? I remember being amazed, in hindsight, at how well she did in Athens, considering that she was pregnant. I think she announced her pregnancy a month or so afterwards.

            Ok, rumor-starting over....
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            • #7
              But - Anky ruined 3 movements.
              ... _. ._ .._. .._


              • #8
                Dressagetraks, I watched both of those tests and there were brilliant moments. The 0 was given when the horse spooked, almost went up and backed up very close to the edge of the arena but thankfully did not step over and out. She kept her cool and went on to ride a beautiful test, but the movement,,,I think it was supposed to be Piaffe (?)...was not done, hence the 0.
                It was an amazing moment, and a powerful reminder that these really are incredible animals. To recover from that complete breakdown of communication and go on to have some beautiful movements is quite an accomplishment.


                • #9
                  Oh, that's an interesting idea (totally hypothetical, of course ) on Anky. Hadn't thought of that possibility. I, too, was impressed how well she did at Athens. She just doesn't quite seem like herself to me, nothing I can quite put my finger on. Totally apart from the riding, I mean. But again, just my opinion, and I don't know her. No doubt 18 people closer to her are about to certify that nothing at all is bugging her, maybe even with clean vet reports.

                  And I totally agree on Isabell, Chai. Her scores - the 0 for that moment and the high ones for the rest of the test - were respectively deserved. And Isabell does get my nerves of steel award.


                  • #10
                    The days that dressage has been on have been hectic for me, so I've only been able to catch KKD's ride and the video of DM's ride. Is there video of these two? Considering it's appeared they've both been given gifts in the past (one moreso than the other, at least to my viewpoint), I'd really like to see.
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                    • #11
                      In Anky's first test (the GP), she was riding rather oddly IMHO. Tilted back, not vertical at all. It was so unlike her. At the time, I posted a question about it, but no replies.

                      In the GPS, she was vertical most of the time.

                      But hey, she's a world champ, not me....


                      • #12
                        If anyone has a link to the video, please post it-I heard about it but wasn't able to find anything on the NBC site.
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                        • #13
                          Mardi, I thought she looked a bit "parked" in the saddle as well. I know NOTHING about GP dressage, but her posistion didn't look right. She was better in the special, though. Anyone else have some insights?
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                          • #14
                            Sjeff said she rode the whole ride with the hand brake on.

                            It looked to me like the horse was getting too strong, and she was having to deal with it.


                            • #15
                              If I were riding out there next to these riders, I would feel I have the right to critique. But........... my backyard if far from there, so I will just clap and say........ "Good ride!"
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                              • #16
                                Lower level equivalent


                                I'm no grand prix expert but I've certainly seen equivalent scoring at the lower levels -- horse rearing HIGH in the halt at x but delivering a super performance after that (with great gaits) scoring in the 70s.

                                Now here is a question. I don't recall the specifics of the ride, but remember Michelle Gibson having a similar problem with Peron many years ago at the Olympics? I think her scores tanked and we were all horrified as spectators. I was kind of expecting the same thing here, but isn't she still at or near the top in scoring?

                                I'm not suggesting anything untoward but maybe someone with a better memory can explain the difference...
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                                • #17
                                  Can somebody fill me in? What movement did Isabell get a 0 on? And is there a video anywhere?
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                                  • #18

                                    What I remember from 1996, IMHO only, there was more than that one really bad spot. Yes, the one really bad spot, spook, disobedience, but my interpretation then, what I felt watching is that Michelle was rattled a bit by that, and the remainder of the ride was not close to their best. My impression was that both horse and rider carried the memory of that mistake through the remainder of the 1996 test. Isabell had one mistake and recovered amazingly, keeping her composure.

                                    And at that, Peron finished I believe 5th at the Olympics. There is no shame at all in finishing 5th at the Olympics, and I freely admit that Michelle is a far better rider than I am. Hats off to her for a great performance over those three tests. I loved seeing her and Peron go.

                                    Edited to add: I just looked up my notes. I took notes while there on every single ride, all three days, impressions immediately afterwards before the next horse entered. Here is what I said about Peron's freestyle that day: "Rhythmic music. Tempi zigzag good. Passage half pass. Good changes in music for movements. Good first piaffe, but Peron spooked, hit wall, and stung himself in second piaffe. A few awkward hops, then Michelle got him back together and went on. Passage half pass other way, piaffe pirouette. Looked a bit conservative after error, but good ride, brilliant horse. Don't know what spooked him, but hitting the wall made it worse, I think. He looked stung for a step or two. Thanks for the memories, Michelle and Peron. 222.73, 73.25%."
                                    Last edited by dressagetraks; Aug. 16, 2008, 10:44 PM. Reason: Adding Peron Notes


                                    • #19
                                      Nobody got a 0. 0 means movement wasn't attempted and she did attempt it.

                                      If you go to this page


                                      Then click on reports on the right

                                      Then click on judges individual marks

                                      Then click on the + next to each riders name, you will see the marks.

                                      Helps to have a copy of the tests in front of you - which can be downloaded in pdf format from the FEI web site.

                                      Anky got 3.0 4.0 4.0 4.0 4.0 (with x 2 coef) for trot half pass left in Special
                                      Anky got 6.0 7.0 7.0 7.0 7.0 x 2 coef for submission

                                      Isabelle got 1.0 1.0 2.0 1.0 2.0 but no coefficiant on that movement Piaffe
                                      Isabelle got 6.0 6.0 6.0 6.0 6.0 x 2 coef for submission

                                      The German judge gave only Briar and Balagur 7 for submission - every other horse got 6 - and the 25th placed French horse got a 5.


                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Dressage_Diva333
                                        Can somebody fill me in? What movement did Isabell get a 0 on? And is there a video anywhere?
                                        If you go to the nbcolympics online videos : The individual GP special (dressage)
                                        - Isabell's mishap is around 4:42:06
                                        - Anky's mishap is around 4:08:13

                                        I really feel for both riders. Nevertheless I think a brilliant performance of both. I can't copy them for sure, even if you were to put me on a Satchmo or a Salinero, I still wouldn't be able to get anywhere near the performance they showed....
                                        I hope both riders can put the hiccup behind them, move on and focus on the next & final step.