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  • AffirmedHope
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    Originally posted by APirateLooksAtForty View Post
    Seriously?? You don't think that riders and owners, many of whom are exhausted from traveling and who have spent over $50,000 (the owners) for the horses to be there deserve a quiet, well-stocked respite from the crowds and the vendor food as well as a place to network and strategize with their team?? Your jealousy's showing.
    This is what's funny to me about that whole paragraph. The only specific thing he said was that you had to walk through a construction zone to get to the VIP, but aside from saying 'ZZOMMMGGG ITS THE WUURSTTT EVERRRRR" he did not give specifics of why it was the worst ever. I doubt Bellissimo was serving cold cut sandwiches and tap water on plastic table linens.

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  • ladyj79
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    Originally posted by skydy View Post

    I doubt the owners felt that way. They want their horses well taken care of and know that their grooms are a major part of that. The organizers built the "bunks" and said they had "underestimated" the number of grooms. It was not mismanagement by the owners.

    Obviously, if people are charged an outrageous amount of money for a table, they have every right to expect it to be nice.

    I don't know what tables go for at the WEG but if you look at the prize lists for the big indoor shows they can be as much as $10,000.
    I'm not talking about the owners, I'm talking about the spectators/cothers who thought the accommodations were good enough. They are the same people saying owners and riders have no cause to complain about the VIP amenities they pay tens of thousands for.

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  • skydy
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    Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post

    These are the same people who think it's cool for grooms to sleep in bunk beds in tents cause they should all just be happy to be there. Some people are awful.
    I doubt the owners felt that way. They want their horses well taken care of and know that their grooms are a major part of that. The organizers built the "bunks" and said they had "underestimated" the number of grooms. It was not mismanagement by the owners.

    Obviously, if people are charged an outrageous amount of money for a table, they have every right to expect it to be nice.

    I don't know what tables go for at the WEG but if you look at the prize lists for the big indoor shows they can be as much as $10,000.

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  • ladyj79
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    Originally posted by APirateLooksAtForty View Post
    Seriously?? You don't think that riders and owners, many of whom are exhausted from traveling and who have spent over $50,000 (the owners) for the horses to be there deserve a quiet, well-stocked respite from the crowds and the vendor food as well as a place to network and strategize with their team?? Your jealousy's showing.
    These are the same people who think it's cool for grooms to sleep in bunk beds in tents cause they should all just be happy to be there. Some people are awful.

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  • APirateLooksAtForty
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    Originally posted by FitToBeTied View Post
    Once you write this, I stop reading. You are just a self important, spoiled brat of a person.

    "There was no shaded area for the riders to watch the competition from. You had to walk through a construction site to get to the VIP area, and the prices the organizing committee was charging were completely unacceptable for what you received. The VIP was disgraceful compared to any other world championship."
    Seriously?? You don't think that riders and owners, many of whom are exhausted from traveling and who have spent over $50,000 (the owners) for the horses to be there deserve a quiet, well-stocked respite from the crowds and the vendor food as well as a place to network and strategize with their team?? Your jealousy's showing.

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  • onthebit
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    Originally posted by FalseImpression View Post
    Another point of view from another team
    https://medium.com/@anvidiz/diary-of...o-f1d74d1914e9
    I think Eric was frustrated with the facilities mostly and the heat. He never used that as an excuse for his poor performance.
    I am glad that some athletes do speak up... yes, blame Canada as usual, blame Bromont.. at least they realized on time they did not have the financial backing to go ahead.. but I am sure Tryon made enough assurances and promises that everything would be ready... I blame the FEI for not having the guts to cancel/delay the Games and Tryon for not keeping promises... "They miscalculated the number of grooms" geeze, can't they check with previous Games/venues/Olympics to figure out the numbers?


    Responding to the bolded part, backing out at the 11th hour doesn't qualify, to me, as "realizing on time they did not have the financial backing to go ahead." Like it or not the Canadians, or more specifically the organizing committee for the Bromont WEG, carry a lot of "blame" for the 2018 WEG not being perfect. THEY BACKED OUT very late in the cycle. Realistically they probably never should have bid at all, and the FEI shouldn't have awarded them the bid. I'd say the majority of any WEG debacle (Normandy was described by many as a debacle) mostly lies with the FEI. It seems to be well documented that they are corrupt, like to change their mind, change the requirements and parameters, and then blame organizers, officials, riders, or whomever happens to be handy in the moment when things don't work out. One needs to look no further than FEI level endurance to see a shining example of extreme corruption within the FEI.

    As I've said on many threads, when Bromont backed out at such a late date the FEI shouldn't have tried to hold a WEG. They should have done it the old way where each discipline hosts their own championships at various venues. But undoubtedly people would have complained about that as well.

    It is well known that Eric Lamaze does not like Mark Bellissimo. It sounds like many of Eric's points were legitimate, but some of it reads like sour grapes. Who knows what we would all be discussing right now if Bromont hadn't backed out. It would probably make this WEG look like the best sporting event in the history of equestrian sports.

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  • ladyj79
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    What?! A German doesn't think the French did a good job?! That's unpossible!

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  • Tiramit
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    Originally posted by Marydell View Post
    Copying this from Pam Stone, a local equestrian and author.

    http://www.goupstate.com/news/201809...on-perspective
    This is a fair article. Loved these sections:

    "The success of the two-week 2018 World Equestrian Games, which wrapped up Sunday at the Tryon International Equestrian Center, depends on who you ask.

    And it's helpful to ascertain that the individual you ask actually attended the event, as rumors and accusations were not in short supply, particularly on social media, for the games' duration."

    ...

    "To proclaim it a success takes a bit of perspective, particularly from those who have attended several in the past.

    "Oh," one German gentleman exclaimed to a group with whom he was sitting, "this is so much better than it was in Normandy (the host site of the 2014 games). So much better!" "

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  • tabula rashah
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    Originally posted by FitToBeTied View Post
    Once you write this, I stop reading. You are just a self important, spoiled brat of a person.

    "There was no shaded area for the riders to watch the competition from. You had to walk through a construction site to get to the VIP area, and the prices the organizing committee was charging were completely unacceptable for what you received. The VIP was disgraceful compared to any other world championship."
    Okay- the shade part, whatever. But the VIP thing- yeah, that's pretty horrible. Do you know what those VIP tables usually cost? In my previous job I bought those tickets for the owners of the big time horses our riders were competing- it may not seem important to you but those owners expect that and they pay thousands for it. If we have no owners backing our horses/ sports, how many riders and trainers would be able to continue?
    Last edited by tabula rashah; Sep. 24, 2018, 09:23 AM.

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  • FitToBeTied
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    Once you write this, I stop reading. You are just a self important, spoiled brat of a person.

    "There was no shaded area for the riders to watch the competition from. You had to walk through a construction site to get to the VIP area, and the prices the organizing committee was charging were completely unacceptable for what you received. The VIP was disgraceful compared to any other world championship."

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  • Marydell
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    Copying this from Pam Stone, a local equestrian and author.

    http://www.goupstate.com/news/201809...on-perspective

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  • Marydell
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    Just an FYI- KHP built the Alltech arena for the 2010 WEG. It did not exist before they were awarded the games and was still in construction just a few months ahead of the games.
    Funny about the ice skating comment as that may be far, far into the future LOL. But indoor shows are already booked for next year. This information came straight from the top

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  • belambi
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    Originally posted by DoubleTwistedWire View Post

    How on earth does this "premiere" venue in the hot, humid south not have some kind of large capacity, climate controlled indoor area facility? Not an unusal thing for a facility that hosts even AA level competitions (KHP, WEC, VHC, PGEC, Harrisburg...) let alone FEI levels.
    So...I should have mentioned, It was not completely finished, as in it could not yet be sealed.
    I was advised by the organisers that it is infact being turned into an ice skating rink, as soon as WEG is over, with the ability to be utilised as an arena when required.

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  • Moosequito
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    Originally posted by Palm Beach View Post

    You are so so so wrong. There are many many horsemen who are not 5* showjumping riders or grooms who do completely understand horse welfare and can manage ANY horse in ANY weather.
    I don't want to derail but just want to clarify: I definitely did not intend to imply that only 5* show jumping riders/grooms are good horsemen capable of understanding horse welfare. I was just pointing out that ladyj saying she is a former 5* groom is relevant to this discussion because her job meant she was privy to things most adult amateurs and even lower level professionals are not.

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  • skydy
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    Originally posted by Sheasmom2 View Post
    Do Olympic level horses not have poop and need nice stalls and water and grooms and riders who have to pee? Some things are exactly the same.
    Requirements for elimination by horse and human may be "exactly the same" however venue requirements of Pony Club and the FEI WEG are not the same.

    Marydell, I'm sure most everyone did their best in that far from well orchestrated situation.

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  • Marydell
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    I am actually a competitor(dressage) and spectator at TIEC often. The barns and arenas are some of the best in the world- yes- I have been at several International venues and even worked the Olympics. There are dedicated shade areas with misting fans at the entrance to every outdoor arena. They have been in place since the first show held here. There are about 1,200 permanent stalls on site, all with permanent fans and water every 4 stalls with wash racks and manure pits in safe and convenient locations, so ample safe stabling. Permanent restrooms with air conditioning are located at every barn.

    The endurance venue went right by three sides of my farm, everything was done for weeks ahead of time to make the trails safe and clearly marked. Endurance riders trained for more than a week riding past. I know- I was there.

    As far as the horrible events of the the endurance- look to the FEI and the ground jury, they are the only people who can make any decisions concerning an event that involves restarts and cancellation.

    As to the weather, no one could have predicted such heat( I lived here for 21 years and never had we had this much heat and humidity at the same time in September- one or the other, not both) or the hurricane. The humidity of endurance day was due in large part to the stalling of a front from the midwest hitting the advancing hurricane.

    As for scheduling- again- look to the FEI for that, they have complete control over the actual times of day events are run, not the organizers. Organizers can change things up to a point, but have to get approval from the FEI. As to start times- I asked about that today- they had to start at the times the FEI gave them for FEI TV for European viewers ( that is why Bejing was later in the day- to accommodate the European time frames)- they had no choice. NBC was not the culprit, nor were the organizers at TIEC.

    As to the condition of the venue, there are back stories involving the FEI making changes early in the year that put TIEC in a no win situation. With the rains we had this year- 29 inches in 21 days- a historic high just in the month of July and even more in August, there was no way the concrete could dry in time to continue construction and be safe. This venue had only 18 months to get ready. This was a new venue that had a lot of growing to do and not enough time to do it. Stop complaining about the mess and be thankful that WEG 2018 was even held. Perhaps it would have been best (for the spectators) that it would have been cancelled and held in 2022 when TIEC would have had the time to be ready.--Again- look to the FEI for this. The test events were held under the in person eyes of the FEI- if any of them had not been run up to the standards set by the FEI, TIEC would not have gotten the go ahead.

    There were last minute changes that the organizers were forced to make due to weather and also the USDA changing rules and regulations for the horses and the venues both onsite and off. The endurance route was changed just two weeks before the start of WEG as the USDA came in and demanded a wider trail than some areas could handle. This was due to piroplasmosis concerns that were not given to the organizers until the last few days of August. The trails had to be over 50 feet wide and the grass, leaves, etc had to be cut down to the bare ground to prevent ticks.

    As a spectator for all two weeks, yes the first few days were unorganized and confusing. Volunteers were somewhat overwhelmed and gave incorrect information out. Yes, the VIP elevator did not even work the first day- and my husband and I are handicapped and would not have returned if TIEC had not fixed it. The staff at TIEC worked tirelessly to help us out. I know again personally that some of the staff were up and on their computers at 5:00 AM and still were there at 3:00 AM. I know the volunteers at the main arenas had a tent for food and drink, but I can't speak for the indoor venue. I know the judges had to eat in a tent one day with rainwater over their shoes. I had a scribe stay with me in my home because the organizers did not provide housing for them. I was on a list for week two competitors for housing due to a local inn burning down the first week. The second week was a far cry better than the first. Staff had a steep learning curve. Parking and shuttles became more reliable, food was in good supply and paper fans were handed out for free by some vendors. Some vendors pulled out early due to the low sales, some made a huge profit.

    Nothing in life is perfect, but give TIEC credit for doing the very best they could in a very tough situation.


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  • DoubleTwistedWire
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    Originally posted by belambi View Post
    For those who were reining, any issues we had were addressed immediately.. Including the introduction of 3 nisting fans into the warn up arena... I actually competed in a wet shirt . not as the commentaters said because I was working up a sweat,, but because my warn up needed to consist of some time in the misting fan, since it was significantly hot in the indoor warmup arena.
    How on earth does this "premiere" venue in the hot, humid south not have some kind of large capacity, climate controlled indoor area facility? Not an unusal thing for a facility that hosts even AA level competitions (KHP, WEC, VHC, PGEC, Harrisburg...) let alone FEI levels.

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  • Sheasmom2
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    Do Olympic level horses not have poop and need nice stalls and water and grooms and riders who have to pee? Some things are exactly the same.

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  • ohsopersuasive
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    If I remember correctly, the Beijing Olympics were held in the evenings or a few of the days and went as late as midnight. They had massive cooling fans at the ring and in the stable area as well for the heat.

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  • vineyridge
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    It's likely that NBC had a good bit to do with the scheduling, and that they provided the feed for other countries and probably the FEI. Considering that any coverage of horse sport beyond the Triple Crown is almost at the vanishing point, NBC's money and time should be loudly cheered and inconveniences tolerated with good grace.

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