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  • ladyj79
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    Originally posted by neigh View Post
    For your reading pleasure, I suggest everyone visit the Horse-Canada website and read Pippa Cuckson's column. She is a British journalist and her columns are always an educational experience.

    Now, VIP news. Madeleine Winter-Schultze fell on an unsecured mat in the barn area and broke her leg. She is the sponsor of Gold medal winner Isabell Worth as well as several European jumper riders. So much for her WEG experience.
    Again for those who don't want to hunt
    SHOULD TRYON EVER BE ALLOWED TO TRY AGAIN?

    Cuckson Report | September 24, 2018 | Commentshearing something it doesn't want to know.informal media briefing, it became clear the WEG was an opportunity to show off Tryon, rather than Tryon simply providing the backdrop for world's best horses and riders. Wrong answer!

    Indeed, Tryon seems so unaware of the numerous horse communities that exist outside its own "lifestyle" offer I wonder if it even realises 9/12 did as much to destroy endurance as a FEI discipline as a decade's worth of doping and cheating in the Middle East?

    The surrounds of Tryon are indeed beautiful. The completed front-of-house facilities are presented to a high standard. So I have given a fair bit of thought to this: if the horse world refused Tryon the chance to host another significant championship when it really is finished, would we bite-off-nose-to-spite-face?

    There is, alas, an irrecoverable loss of trust from the equestrian community, and also the local one: traders and contractors were allegedly not paid in a timely way, and some walked off the job. The huge volunteer corps has, by all accounts, exuded charm and friendliness from the front-line, steadfastly placating irate/confused/hungry/dehydrated/drenched/ripped-off spectators while the people who should have been briefing the volunteers fled to the hills. I have experienced Southern Hospitality on previous occasions and it lives up to its generous reputation, but seriously, who of these lovely folks would volunteer for Tryon ever again?

    The loss of confidence has been articulated by Soenke Lauterbach, secretary-general of the German equestrian federation who is usually a reliable barometer of opinion in the corridors of power.

    And even if Tryon did run like clockwork, when would you hold such a major event with the benefit of hindsight? October is too late in the context of the overall global FEI calendar. North Carolina might have been unlucky with the hurricane, but it should be no surprise the southern states are hot, humid and horse-unfriendly in September.

    You also cannot get away from the piroplasmosis paranoia of the US Department of Agriculture (USDA) and the shoddy treatment of piro-positive horses. It was touch and go whether USDA would allow them in till the last minute. Barring them in future would be simpler, but most likely exclude many who have every right to compete for the highest honours.

    As Brazilian endurance rider Andre Vidiz revealed in his highly recommended "diary of a fiasco"jumpers' perspective.

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  • fordtraktor
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    One of my former lesson students' moms broke her neck falling down their home's 3 front steps and is paralyzed forever. Is the owner blaming the venue?

    I have have never even seen a "secured" mat in a horse barn besides the interlocking ones, if you can call that secured. The ones in my wash rack insecure themselves often which is a PITA. And I often wish I bought the straight edge ones at 2/3 the price. We don't screw them to anythjng though. I would worry about the screws breaking and puncturing a sole

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  • neigh
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    For your reading pleasure, I suggest everyone visit the Horse-Canada website and read Pippa Cuckson's column. She is a British journalist and her columns are always an educational experience.

    Now, VIP news. Madeleine Winter-Schultze fell on an unsecured mat in the barn area and broke her leg. She is the sponsor of Gold medal winner Isabell Worth as well as several European jumper riders. So much for her WEG experience.

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  • ladyj79
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    Originally posted by DMK View Post
    OK, so as I understand it, spectators do not really matter, or to be more exact, are pretty insignificant?

    That certainly will make it easier to hold championship events, or even WEG if that experience is insignificant. I now understand fully understand your frustration with wasting limited resources on that part of WEG. But we can use this as a fail upward moment and learn from our mistakes. Future WEG venues can be a lot more affordable and nimble if this approach is the basis for a successful bid.
    Yes I 100% agree! Look at what Jan Tops has done with the GCT! Beautiful venues, affordable seats, well attended with amazing amenities for all. Why do you think the FEI kept suing him

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  • pds
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    We attended WEG the week of the impending hurricane on Friday to watch Dressage and had a wonderful time. The parking was easy, the shuttle buses plentiful, no long lines and GREAT COMPETITION! IWe returned the next week for two days show jumping and I was surprised that there were fewer spectators than the week before. I would have thought the opposite would have happened with more spectators staying away the first week because of the hurricane. Regardless, we were thrilled, impressed and inspired again with the GREAT COMPETITION. Everything seemed to us as spectators to run smoothly and efficiently. It was hot at times but that is the weather. We were told by some Tryon natives that it was unusual for it to be that warm for the time of year. We live in SC so guess we are just used to it. We found that concession workers we spoke with to be pleasant, genuinely friendly and helpful. I think given the time constraints, the weather leading up to and during the event and the demands of the FEI, that TIEC did a fantastic job. Thank you to everyone involved. Our spectating experience AWESOME!

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  • Tiramit
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    A look through the comments on the post itself shows the majority are from people who were a) not there, and b) didn't get to see more than a few moments of the event either due to limited free TV airings or no FEI online account. I haven't seen any other show jumpers complaining anywhere (comparing apples to apples).

    Check out Simone Blum's Facebook page as a stark comparison. In post after post she's happy and excited about her time at the Games. Yes, she's young, but she's also the one who beat everyone else after handling the same weather, logistics, and courses. Love her photos pre-hurricane. https://www.facebook.com/simoneblum.official/

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  • Madison
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    Originally posted by DMK View Post
    OK, so as I understand it, spectators do not really matter, or to be more exact, are pretty insignificant?

    That certainly will make it easier to hold championship events, or even WEG if that experience is insignificant. I now understand fully understand your frustration with wasting limited resources on that part of WEG. But we can use this as a fail upward moment and learn from our mistakes. Future WEG venues can be a lot more affordable and nimble if this approach is the basis for a successful bid.
    Hmm, I don't know DMK that might solve Eric's "I had to walk through construction on my way to the VIP area" complaint, but doesn't seem to jive with his "there were lots of empty seats and no atmosphere" complaint!!

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  • DMK
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    OK, so as I understand it, spectators do not really matter, or to be more exact, are pretty insignificant?

    That certainly will make it easier to hold championship events, or even WEG if that experience is insignificant. I now understand fully understand your frustration with wasting limited resources on that part of WEG. But we can use this as a fail upward moment and learn from our mistakes. Future WEG venues can be a lot more affordable and nimble if this approach is the basis for a successful bid.

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  • ladyj79
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    I wouldn't call the vilamoura shows or sunshine tour or knokke smaller shows or events. They're bigger. The champions tour starting next week will have over a thousand horses. These shows really don't rely on or need a public audience in the way you might think. This is an industry of which the general public is a pretty insignificant part.

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  • skydy
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    The Brazilian Endurance rider was very outspoken in his criticism.
    https://medium.com/@anvidiz/diary-of...o-f1d74d1914e9

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  • DMK
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    Was your intention to compare a smaller venue show to a bigger event or am I just misunderstanding? I'm quite certain we are all aware that smaller competitions (in every sport, on every continent) fit that particular description, but ... apropos of nothing?

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  • ladyj79
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    Meh, plenty of FEI shows go on even in Europe without huge audience numbers outside of the riders and entourages themselves. Yes lots of shows, particularly the bigger events like Aachen, every show with a derby or nations cup, etc draws a crowd but many many FEI shows go on without a huge non affiliated public audience. Riders and owners and grooms and dealers still like to eat and drink and watch and talk to one another in great numbers though.
    Last edited by ladyj79; Sep. 25, 2018, 03:52 PM.

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  • DMK
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    Originally posted by APirateLooksAtForty View Post
    But you aren't a competitor. I think being an actual competing athlete gives you a totally different perspective. Nobody seems to be getting this. At the end of the day it's not about what a great experience you had as a spectator.
    Yeah, these sports go nowhere without the spectators/fan base (how many endless threads have their been about how it is different in Europe?) As far as I am concerned the athletes (humans), owners, spectators and grooms all sit equal in importance, below the horse. It takes ALL of us to make this sport survive and to do right by the only reason ALL of us bother to show up; the horse.

    But fair point, as a spectator I cannot fully understand the things that went right or wrong behind the scenes (however that doesn't make "my" experience less important). But have we heard similar discussions from other countries or competitors? Because as much as I like Eric, he by no means corners the market on outspoken in this industry, so I'm inclined to believe that if it was truly that lacking, his voice will not be a one off.

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  • Tiramit
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    I would have been shocked if his grooms had to spend a single night in the tents, especially after seeing the French grooms' video and knowing the other big countries had something similar in place. That wasn't my point. Some have suggested that his post was motivated by a desire to improve the Games, not simply complain after the fact. Others have also piggy-backed on his post and used the grooms quarters as further justification for his post.

    Either way, it seemed odd that he didn't mention the grooms when he did single out the VIPs. He didn't say "my VIPs" but it could be as simple as his owners were upset and let him know while his grooms were fine. I know from first-hand knowledge that many owners / VIPs were NOT upset and <gasp> actually enjoyed the WEG. So his was not a universally applicable post.

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  • FalseImpression
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    Originally posted by Tiramit View Post

    That omission was rather telling, wasn't it? It's been suggested that his was a carefully measured and worded post. If true, his grooms' comfort must not have been as important as his VIPs.

    I'm working off of memory that the SJ VIP tickets were close to $5k each or something like $26,000 for a table. That covered all days, meals, bar, private indoor area with a/c and external balcony over the ring, etc. The pricing wasn't that out of the norm when one considers it was for a week. I've been to events that were more than that for a few hour evening.
    Maybe Canada had made arrangements for their grooms and did not mention it.

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  • MHM
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    Originally posted by trubandloki View Post

    So because he did not add one more post crapping on the horrible accommodations for the grooms nothing he says is to be considered and we must make the huge leap that he does not care about the grooms?
    Interesting point of view.
    See post #77.

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  • APirateLooksAtForty
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    Trubandloki, are you my spirit animal??

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  • trubandloki
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    Originally posted by MHM View Post
    I did read Eric's entire post on Facebook, and I did not see one word about the grooms. He seemed to be very concerned about the comfort of the owners, riders, and VIPs. The grooms, also known as the hardest working people at any horse show, not so much. Or at least, he did not mention them.
    So because he did not add one more post crapping on the horrible accommodations for the grooms nothing he says is to be considered and we must make the huge leap that he does not care about the grooms?
    Interesting point of view.

    I read it more as - Let me bring up some topics that are not all over the place.

    As much as everyone wants to hate on the rich people you do have to realize that if it was not for the patrons most of these things would not be happening at all.

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  • MHM
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    Originally posted by APirateLooksAtForty View Post
    Most likely because he provides for his own grooms and rented a house or condo, as many of the more experienced and well-known teams did. Therefore he wouldn't have had firsthand knowledge of the grooms conditions.
    I'm pretty sure McLain Ward provides housing for his own grooms, but he still went on the record in a Facebook post saying that the tent housing was completely unacceptable. Even if he had no grooms staying in it.

    I'm not saying Eric should or should not have brought up the grooms' conditions. But a few people seem to think he mentioned it. I just pointed out I did not see one word about grooms in his Facebook post.

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  • APirateLooksAtForty
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    But you aren't a competitor. I think being an actual competing athlete gives you a totally different perspective. Nobody seems to be getting this. At the end of the day it's not about what a great experience you had as a spectator.

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