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I am so tired of whiny, rich horse [people] complaining about WEG

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  • Originally posted by mishmash View Post
    Sorry-there were no torrential downpours-I have showed in worse. And I saw eventers schooling and riding outside and commenting they didn't understand why things were changed. Also saw many photos of Trust Arena on Sunday, and footing looked good. I think all the doom and gloom by weathercasters on TV heavily influenced the decision. And I do understand people died in this storm. But it was just a rainy day at TIEC.

    (/Quote) Another complication is the issue of getting the dressage horses from the barns to the covered in torrential downpours - and the fact that they would have to warm up outside in those torrential downpours.Top riders started talking about withdrawing rather than risk their horses. Good on them. And good on WEG officials to decide to cancel the competition. Tough decisions for all, but Florence doesn't care who she inconveniences.
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    Agreed. While my horse(s) have not been uber-valuable high level horses, I value their health and well being,but have warmed up and shown in worse rain than came down this Sunday - and lots colder and windier, too. The Trust arena footing was in great shape. They could have safely ridden. The warm rain was steady most of the day, but it was not a "torrential downpour"

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    • And if the track of the storm had changed and there were people who got hurt because TIEC said "all clear, come on!" would people be saying "TIEC tried so hard to keep the show running, and injured spectators and competitors/horses were just unfortunate, but hey, the show must go on"?

      You can't just decide at the last minute to cancel a show this size, there are WAY too many moving parts. It sucks that it happened, but life isn't fair and life will go on despite disappointments. The decision was made with the information they had at the time. Hindsight is always 20/20. All I can say is I applaud tough decisions like that.

      Don't like it? Go run your own international, multi-day, multidiscipline gathering for a group of the world's pickiest, richest, most opinionated people. Have fun!

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      • What it ultimately comes down to though is the best riders in the world were done with weg, and the show cancelled the event.

        none of them are concerned that you think they should have ridden, or what you do with your horses.
        Let me apologize in advance.

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        • BUT...At the time the call had to be made, it was still uncertain how Florence would track. If she had sped up a little, or had come a little more west, Tryon would have been in the weather Wilmington got. Imagine the scenario if they had held the show, and everybody got stuck at the showgrounds for days with no power trapped by high water or mudslides. Would you want to be either the person who had to make that call, or one of the stuck spectators?

          I have been in that position. I was coordinator for a USDF Adult Clinic, and Hurricane Dennis was approaching. I did not want people either hauling in to that situation, or driving in to that weather, and even the airport was talking shutting down, so the clinician either wouldn't be able to get here in the first place, or would be stuck here if they arrived before the storm hit and the airport closed. So I cancelled it. Turned out, Dennis turned, hit Mobile, and we barely got a sprinkle.

          But the next hurricane that came this way just a few weeks later? KATRINA. We got hit, and hit hard. I sure wouldn't have wanted to be responsible for bringing people in to experience that. To illustrate the difficulty of making the call, forecasts were for Katrina to turn, and Saturday was like any other day. No calls were made to even evacuate New Orleans. My farrier was here, and we were saying, "it won't come here". Sunday she turned towards us, and hit in the wee hours of Monday morning. I was without power for a month. It was 3 months before my family could returnto their houses in the city, and they didn't even have damage or flooding.

          My SIL's parents live in Wilmington, and decided not to evacuate, even though we invited them to our house in far western NC. They are now trapped in town, and have been without power for several days.

          I would certainly rather be safe than sorry, and don't blame them a bit for cancelling.

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          • Originally posted by roseymare View Post
            Oh and another thing? Are we sure the Reiner's were not using a composite footing?
            No - it was plain dirt. Kiser is the best when it comes to reining footing and he would not have used a composite.
            Only two emotions belong in the saddle: One is a sense of humor. The other is patience.

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            • Originally posted by bugsynskeeter View Post

              No - it was plain dirt. Kiser is the best when it comes to reining footing and he would not have used a composite.
              Ah thanks I looked on their website to see if they were doing the reining footing and they didn't say. Not that not saying anything means they were not but I thought they might note it.

              I thought they had talked about slowing down a bit but when you are a hot commodity that doesn't always go as planned! I didn't seek them out this year at youth world so it has been a while since I have seen them. I usually chat a bit with whomever iI run into because the boys and I were in the same Horse 4-H club as kids.

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              • Originally posted by Prime Time Rider View Post

                Trip insurance doesn't cover events being cancelled due to weather. It covers the insured if they are unable to travel due to illness or other unforeseen circumstance,
                Many trip insurance policies cover events and trips being cancelled due to weather. I pay these types of policies all the time.
                Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community. (Tidy Rabbit)

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                • Originally posted by Palm Beach View Post
                  So a reiner doing circles and changing leads is somehow different than a dressage horse doing circles and changing leads? That exact same footing will make a dressage horse unsound but not a reiner?
                  Seriously, Google is your friend. If you really don't understand the difference then some research is in order.

                  Or reverse the question: how do you think world-class reiners would feel if they were told they had to do spins and slides on packed, springy footing that is designed to grab?

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                  • Originally posted by BigDarnHorse View Post
                    RPM, this was on another WEG thread.


                    Thanks.
                    "The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- George Bernard Shaw

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                    • As someone who actually is a reiner, I can completely understand why the dressage horses would not want to use that footing.
                      Only two emotions belong in the saddle: One is a sense of humor. The other is patience.

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                      • Originally posted by saje View Post
                        And if the track of the storm had changed and there were people who got hurt because TIEC said "all clear, come on!" would people be saying "TIEC tried so hard to keep the show running, and injured spectators and competitors/horses were just unfortunate, but hey, the show must go on"?

                        You can't just decide at the last minute to cancel a show this size, there are WAY too many moving parts. It sucks that it happened, but life isn't fair and life will go on despite disappointments. The decision was made with the information they had at the time. Hindsight is always 20/20. All I can say is I applaud tough decisions like that.

                        Don't like it? Go run your own international, multi-day, multidiscipline gathering for a group of the world's pickiest, richest, most opinionated people. Have fun!
                        If they were to ship out on Monday they were shipping out on Monday. The dressage horses and riders were there Sunday. Doppler radar, US Weather Service, etc., were all tracking the storm. By Saturday, they knew Sunday would be rainy, but no heavy wind or gales. They could have ridden, but in the rain. The event riders were riding. The footing was excellent - something Tryon really got right. Like the endurance decision, this was the FEI's (and presumably the riders' decision(s). The rain was steady but warm. *shrug* I am supposedly getting a ticket refund, but it is a huge disappointment especially after coming from the West Coast. It is what it is, but I still feel that a lot of the potential problems could have (or should have been) planned for, and were not.
                        Last edited by Belowthesalt; Sep. 19, 2018, 10:55 PM.

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                        • When they made the decision to postpone, the forecast was for 3-5 inches of rain Saturday night as well as another 1-2 inches on Sunday. The area near Tryon had heavy rain and landslides in the spring and two people were killed. I'm sure the past landslides in the area and the danger to spectators driving to the event were also weighing heavily on the minds of the organizers.

                          ETA: Actually the two weather reporters I was thinking of were killed by a tree falling on their vehicle, but there were also landslides in the area that spring. https://wtkr.com/2018/05/28/two-sout...rdous-weather/

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                            Originally posted by Belowthesalt View Post

                            By Saturday, they knew Sunday would be rainy, but no heavy wind or gales. They could have ridden, but in the rain. The event riders were riding. The footing was excellent - something Tryon really got right. Like the endurance decision, this was the FEI's (and presumably the riders' decision(s).
                            Who was riding on Sunday? I thought all events were canceled on Sunday - eventing stadium rounds were pushed to Monday.

                            By Saturday, predictions were for 4-7 or more inches of rain Saturday night and Sunday. Yes, the dressage riders could probably have ridden in *some* rain. But I am guessing that there were more than a few of them already thinking of pulling out rather than risk their multi-million dollar horses. Remember that organizers and FEI officials were meeting with chefs d'equipe to determine the best course of action. When it became clear that top riders were going to withdraw, the decision was made to cancel.

                            The upshot is that they had held the freestyle and horses got injured, people would have b******. If riders got injured or spectators got injured or killed trying to get to the site, people would have b******. If they held the freestyle without the top riders, people would have b******. They canceled, and sure enough, people are b*******. But no horses or riders or spectators got injured.

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                            • Originally posted by DownYonder View Post

                              Who was riding on Sunday? I thought all events were canceled on Sunday - eventing stadium rounds were pushed to Monday.

                              By Saturday, predictions were for 4-7 or more inches of rain Saturday night and Sunday. Yes, the dressage riders could probably have ridden in *some* rain. But I am guessing that there were more than a few of them already thinking of pulling out rather than risk their multi-million dollar horses. Remember that organizers and FEI officials were meeting with chefs d'equipe to determine the best course of action. When it became clear that top riders were going to withdraw, the decision was made to cancel.

                              The upshot is that they had held the freestyle and horses got injured, people would have b******. If riders got injured or spectators got injured or killed trying to get to the site, people would have b******. If they held the freestyle without the top riders, people would have b******. They canceled, and sure enough, people are b*******. But no horses or riders or spectators got injured.
                              The eventers were exercising their horses, in the rain, and expressing surprise that the dressage rides could not go forward under the conditions on Sunday.

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                              • Originally posted by Belowthesalt View Post

                                The eventers were exercising their horses, in the rain, and expressing surprise that the dressage rides could not go forward under the conditions on Sunday.
                                Yes but aren't eventers second only to endurance riders in their willingness to ride in all kinds of weather?? I'm not a dressage rider but just going by the outfit I'm thinking they're not as flexible on the bad weather thing. No offense.
                                It's just grass and water till it hits the ground.

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                                  Originally posted by Belowthesalt View Post

                                  The eventers were exercising their horses, in the rain, and expressing surprise that the dressage rides could not go forward under the conditions on Sunday.
                                  I am betting most (all?) of those eventing horse were wearing boots or wraps while being exercised. Besides, event horses don't do GP movements - or anything even close. Big difference.

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                                  • A schooling, stretching ride (which is what the eventers did in preparation for Monday's jumping) is a LOT different than competing for a medal.

                                    I'm sorry you were disappointed, but they need to take care of the horses and don't really give a rat's hinderparts about spectators. They are under no obligation to ride in the skirts of a hurricane just so you can see them ride.

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                                    • Originally posted by Belowthesalt View Post

                                      The eventers were exercising their horses, in the rain, and expressing surprise that the dressage rides could not go forward under the conditions on Sunday.
                                      The call for cancellation had to come before they knew what the actual conditions would be. At the time, heavy rain and wind was expected.

                                      They couldn't suddenly go "oh it's not so bad, competition is back on!" (Calls to mind Roseanne Rosannadanna: "never mind!")

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                                      • Originally posted by Belowthesalt View Post

                                        The eventers were exercising their horses, in the rain, and expressing surprise that the dressage rides could not go forward under the conditions on Sunday.
                                        Yes, but they had to make the call prior to Sunday. And they had to go with the information they had, considering worst case scenarios and recent area weather disasters. I'm sad that it turned out the competition could have gone forward, but it could have just as easily been a disaster, and I'd rather them play it safe, honestly.

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                                        • Originally posted by yaya View Post

                                          They couldn't suddenly go "oh it's not so bad, competition is back on!" (Calls to mind Roseanne Rosannadanna: "never mind!")
                                          That was Emily Litella, my favorite Gilda Radnor SNL character.

                                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjYoNL4g5Vg



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