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  • RegentLion
    started a topic Groom's "quarters"

    Groom's "quarters"

    Photos circulating on Facebook show the grooms quarters at Tryon... They appear to be bunks in large tents with Astro-turf floors. Some suggest there isn't heat/ac/appropriate electrical and no restroom/shower facilities.

    I'm disgusted.

  • MHM
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    Maybe the French grooms will invite everybody over for a cookout.
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...&ref=bookmarks

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  • Rallycairn
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    I guess I'm in the minority, but regardless of the fact that it was an 11th hour attempted rescue move after Bromont dropped the project, I don't think it's ok to offer such a substandard event. If you can't do it right, don't do it. The games would have been better off canceled than held in a clusterf@@@ type situation, imo.

    So, yes, I do hold Bellissimo accountable - if he couldn't deliver, he shouldn't have taken the project on; he knew the time frame. No brownie points for trying to be a white knight if you can't perform acceptably in the lists once the bugle sounds.

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  • neigh
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    You obviously do not know the Babingtons. They are certainly not "elitist" in any sense of the word.

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  • fair judy
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    Originally posted by jetsmom View Post

    And there is a groom/barnworker that is Mexican,at the barn my mare is at that i caught doing something when he thought no one was looking...there used to be a rooster and 2 hens that showed up at the barn one day. Rooster was known to have a mean streak. Unfortunately, a stray dog or coyote, killed first one gen, then the other. So the rooster seemed lonely. I came around the corner and caught Jauquin, down on his knees, patting and cuddling the rooster, telling him he would be ok.
    Yeah...those awful groons, and what they do when they think no one is looking...
    . My experience with them has been very positive. They notify the BM if a horse that normally cleans up his food doesn't or one that normally keeps a clean stall looks like they were pawing/rolling/colicy. And that is several different grooms/barnworkers.
    . Just didn't want the post accusing many grooms of being animal abusers when no one is around to go unanswered.
    I agree. Mardi is hopefully in the minority. Sounds exactly like the article penned by the infamous wife of Kevin Babbington.... an elitist rant by a woman who likely cannot even get a groom to walk into her barn now.

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  • jetsmom
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    Originally posted by Mardi View Post

    Interesting observations, but this one "They take pride in their work and they do it well even when nobody is looking."
    is a view through rose colored glasses.

    I have seen grooms - when they believe no one is looking, or no one else is at the barn - hit (with closed fist) horses directly in the face, completely unprovoked. I have seen them spray horses in the face with water, and although the horse raises his head, pulls back in the cross ties and begins to slip on the wash rack, continue to do it after being told to stop. His response ? "Horses are food. I don't care." Would he pay the vet bill if the horse was injured ? I've seen grooms walk carefully and quietly while approaching a hesitant horse in the turn out. The horse ran from him each time he came near. The groom was patient, and waited for the horse to settle. Finally the groom got close enough to snap the lead rope on to the halter. It appeared to be a lesson in quiet patience and earning trust. As the groom turned to lead the horse to the gate, and the horse obediently and quietly followed him, the groom suddenly turned around to the horse, and repeatedly hit him with the lead rope, jerked hard several times on the halter. and hit him with closed fist on the neck.. The horse, of course, backed up to get away, and the groom followed him, jerking on the halter, and repeatedly struck him. The groom only stopped when he heard my voice, yelling at him from far away, to stop beating up the horse. He had no idea I was on the property, and had witnessed the entire scene.

    Each one of these situations (and there are more) happened with three different grooms, when they believed no one else was at the barn (early morning) or in a place where they thought no one could see them. These grooms work at a high end h/j barn, and are mostly unsupervised. They are part of the reason I will never, ever use a groom, unless it is a particular person (and friend) who is a professional groom and with whom I would trust with my own life. She stays in hotels during shows, and is well looked after by the trainer and clients.

    There are good grooms and bad, but the bad ones keep their jobs for years because the trainer doesn't know what goes on, thinks it will be too hard to find a new one and so gives his/her long time employee a pass. Added on to this is the concern that if the groom is fired, there is risk of retaliation against the horses. Granted this is a cultural problem, but one that most certainly exists.
    And there is a groom/barnworker that is Mexican,at the barn my mare is at that i caught doing something when he thought no one was looking...there used to be a rooster and 2 hens that showed up at the barn one day. Rooster was known to have a mean streak. Unfortunately, a stray dog or coyote, killed first one gen, then the other. So the rooster seemed lonely. I came around the corner and caught Jauquin, down on his knees, patting and cuddling the rooster, telling him he would be ok.
    Yeah...those awful groons, and what they do when they think no one is looking...
    . My experience with them has been very positive. They notify the BM if a horse that normally cleans up his food doesn't or one that normally keeps a clean stall looks like they were pawing/rolling/colicy. And that is several different grooms/barnworkers.
    . Just didn't want the post accusing many grooms of being animal abusers when no one is around to go unanswered.

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  • ohsopersuasive
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    Originally posted by vineyridge View Post

    Don't they still have lockdown for the horses from a certain time at night to a certain time in the morning? Not even grooms are allowed to be with their horses during that time if the 2010 WEG procedures were still followed--at least as I remember the procedures in 2010.

    The stables during the London Olympics had hours, but exception could be made to check on a horse late in the night with permission and an escort. Stewards would call grooms at 4am to make them come fix a blanket strap on a horse, even if they were going to be there in an hour. And they were not allowed to fix the strap themselves or let the groom come at a normal hour to fix it


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  • ohsopersuasive
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    Originally posted by Mardi View Post
    Any word from the US team ? Robert Dover ? Robert Ridland ? Hard to imagine Steffen Peters' long time groom and security guy in one of those cabins (security is for SP's owner's horse, not SP). There must be a good many grooms who are put up in hotels by the owners.
    The jumping grooms for the US always get put up in nicer accommodations than provided. They do an amazing job taking care of all their support staff

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  • ohsopersuasive
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    oliver4ever & phoenixfarm

    i was at WEG in Kentucky as a groom. We were in the campers 3 of us, no room for luggage except kitchen table. 2 in the bunks and 1 in bedroom. We were not provided with running water, had to use the campground washrooms or portable washrooms set up.

    Pan Ams in Toronto had RVs, much larger and provided us with water. Much improved from Kentucky.

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  • amb
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    Originally posted by Midge View Post

    When I saw the $650 a week, I understood why she had trouble keeping help.
    Hah, yes. "I was told many experienced grooms have left the industry for the summer because landscapers pay more than farms." was followed a few lines later by "What is the answer to this dilemma? That is the question. Nobody I asked had any solutions."

    Well, that and the bad attitude the whole thing reeked off. Yay for Planet Wellington.

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  • Tiramit
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    Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post
    Oh...yeah, no, go look up gigi stetler and bellissimo (and their protracted legal battles) to understand why it's not just possible it's probable.
    Then why bother offer at all other than to cause public sensation? It reads less as an offer to help and more of a rival getting a dig in while others are in need.

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  • ladyj79
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    Oh...yeah, no, go look up gigi stetler and bellissimo (and their protracted legal battles) to understand why it's not just possible it's probable.

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  • Tiramit
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    Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post
    Hilariously GiGi Stetler has made it known that she both offered and still has available all the RVs that would have been needed, but that given her ongoing feud with Bellissimo, said offered contract to furnish rvs for WEG was rejected.
    I've always found it distasteful when people start bragging about their would-be "save the day" efforts if only "X" had done "whatever"... IMO, if someone is really trying to help, then help. No gold stars needed.

    It's hard to imagine that given the PR nightmare the tents have been coupled with the potential hurricane that any reasonable offer to help would be rejected.

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  • ladyj79
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    Hilariously GiGi Stetler has made it known that she both offered and still has available all the RVs that would have been needed, but that given her ongoing feud with Bellissimo, said offered contract to furnish rvs for WEG was rejected.

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  • skydy
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    Meydan is a Title sponsor as of yesterday (?)

    Perhaps the Sheikh can perform miracles with his enormous wealth. It's a bit late for construction. I would think perhaps RV's can be purchased.
    Of course there is no way to predict hurricanes and It sure is rotten luck. Hopefully Florence will make landfall in an area that keeps the WEG from getting the worst of the rain, though no matter where she lands somebody will suffer.

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  • DownYonder
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    Originally posted by Can'tFindMyWhip View Post
    As for other funding being promised, and not delivered, I recall a really interesting and kind of scandalous article that tracked spending by a Polk county official who was working with Bellissimo to attract investors to TIEC. I wish I could find the article again. I think it was published by a relatively small news outlet so it didn't get much attention, or maybe it was even wiped from the internet. I love a good conspiracy! Any way, this official was spending outrageous amounts of taxpayer money to fly to Wellington regularly, promised hundreds of thousands of dollars to Tryon and she also spent something like $30,000 on a banquet for potential investors held in-get this- ASHVILLE, so not even Polk County. And I don't think that Polk County has the kind of economic resources where investing the public's money in a world class equestrian venue is a priority for residents and taxpayers. I imagine that county official got in a lot of trouble for that and the county refused to pay the money she promised.
    Forgot to respond to this - I would love to see that article! But I have been hearing tales off and on over the past year or so from various folks with "insider knowledge" of shenanigans by government officials, business leaders, and other locals trying to aggrandize themselves with Bellissimo by promising the moon when they had very little ability or intention to deliver.

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  • Prime Time Rider
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    Originally posted by DownYonder View Post
    Gonna add something else here - Bellissimo was also promised *a lot* by state and local officials and business leaders (including financial partnerships, donations of goods and services, etc.). Some of those things never materialized, which left TEP scrambling to figure out how to plug the gaps. My understanding (from an insider involved with the development process) was that too many things that should have been listed on the project plan under "critical path" were not listed there, and other critical path issues/items were tasked to folks that didn't/couldn't meet the established milestones for one reason or another. A basic tenet of project management is that if a critical path milestone is not met, other tasks usually have to also be pushed back - esp. if they cannot begin/proceed until the preceding task is completed. WEG at TIEC would make for a good study in scope creep and deadline creep.
    TIEC was never promised financial support from local government officials. The State of NC did provide a grant for security, emergency medical facility and road improvements, and Polk County received a $1MM state grant for additional emergency services, primarily for police, emergency medical technicians and fire fighters. I own property in Polk County and follow Polk County government carefully, so I am well informed. I can't speak to any financial partnerships or promises made by business leaders.

    I was at TIEC as recently as early August just prior to the facility being shut down to the public and it did not appear to be remotely ready to host WEG at that time. Massive amounts of dirt were being moved, the cabins had been removed, parking lots were not complete, etc. I think its obvious that the project planning was insufficient and that the scope of the work that needed to be completed in a short time frame was too large for the staff and resources. I think, however, that we all need to remember that the TIEC partners took on a huge ambitious task in offering to host WEG. It's easy to criticize without being on the ground putting in the effort to ensure the games are a success.

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  • TMares
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    Originally posted by skydy View Post

    Unfortunately, though understandably, all of the state First Responders that were to cover the WEG have been "pulled" and deployed to the coast. WEG now has "county" support. Naturally, resources for the WEG will be wearing thin.

    Hang in there East Coasters!
    The interesting part to me was this:


    The event has been federally designated as a SEAR III event, which means Polk County will receive some federal support, but no federal money.

    Arledge said state officials are working to get the event lowered to a SEAR II event, which would mean there would be federal funding and more support in terms in of resources.



    Did that happen? If it's still a SEAR III then money that would roll in if it were a SEAR II didn't materialize.

    This feels like Fyre Fest on crack. Do i see in post 97 they are spreading gravel TODAY???

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  • Tackpud
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    Originally posted by ttldr1 View Post

    When did they take the cabins down? I was there last fall and they were there. So who's brilliant idea was it to take away all of the onsite housing for a hotel that they could not get ready for the biggest event that this venue has ever seen. Doesn't surprise me though with all the ticketing problems they are having seems like they really bite off a whole lot more than they could chew and now that it is down to the wire the house of cards is crumbling and they are choking on it.
    The photo below (taken when I was there this past Saturday) is the area where the cabins were last fall. They have been removed to make room for the indoor arena expansion and the parking lots next to the new entrance area. Don't ask me why!! Camper heaven is further on to the right. And yes, those are truck loads of gravel coming in to put down on the parking lot.

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  • DownYonder
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    Yes, Florence adds a whole 'nuther logistical nightmare for Bellissimo and state officials. Praying for everyone in Florence's path.

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