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Games Trainers Play: The Florida Horse Saga

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  • Originally posted by bugsynskeeter View Post
    I smell something fishy...

    And honestly - I have't ever heard of fused hocks being a bad thing and never heard of fused fetlocks (in a non-break scenario).
    Fused hocks? Manageable, but lead changes might be difficult (or might not, depends on the horse). Hocks in the process of fusing? PAINFUL. One older top hunter (insert name of famous watch) just spent the last year on turnout waiting for the process to complete.

    Fused/fusing ankles - so not the same thing as hocks and it's never a good thing.
    Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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    • Findeight, I agree with you about the timeline. Why could the bad news x-rays appear overnight but the check has to be sent snail mail?

      I don't think the fact that he was tattooed means he must have raced - maybe just trained for it.

      Sidepasser, now what is a good name for this soap opera?

      One Horse to Steal?

      As the Florida Swamp Turns?

      All My Horse Selling Mistakes?

      I don't know haven't had enough to drink yet to be clever - lack of sleep following this thread is making me dim!

      Sign me up for the Drama Llama Clique

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      • Originally posted by DMK View Post
        Fused hocks? Manageable, but lead changes might be difficult (or might not, depends on the horse). Hocks in the process of fusing? PAINFUL. One older top hunter (insert name of famous watch) just spent the last year on turnout waiting for the process to complete.
        I know of several top reiners (older, not futurity or derby age) that have fused hocks and do just fine with lead changes and the like. I know they are painful in the process of fusing - which is why we do joint injection til that point. Considering that just saved $1000 on this horse - should be enough for the joint injections.
        Only two emotions belong in the saddle: One is a sense of humor. The other is patience.

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        • Originally posted by eponacowgirl View Post
          I thought the horse was OTTB- my friend rides on the track, so I simply assumed he was. His ad, come to find out, says he was never raced, but Bugsynskeeter and I know he's tattooed and couldn't remember if a horse had to have his gate card to be tattooed. Is it possible that he trained on the track, got tattooed but never started? Or could he be tattooed and never have been on the track? If he was trained on the track, but never raced is he still an OTTB?
          Most tracks require a horse to be tattooed to be approved out of the gate (required before they can be entered in a race), so unraced but tattooed means the horse made it to some significant level of race training before they gave up on him. As to why they gave up on him, it could have been no talent, wasn't holding up to training, the owner ran out of money or the horse was batshit crazy and couldn't get approved out of the gate.

          I usually think of an unraced TB who had significant track training time as an OTTB, because if nothing else, if he has a tattoo, you can bet he worked fast in company.
          Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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          • mmmn, I think a horse can be tattoed but never raced..can't race though without tattoo..
            Yeah, if you have the papers, the horse and the tattoo guy is there, the opportunity is often seized. So a horse can be tattooed and not have raced. S/he's probably been at the track though.

            and if you frequent the stick art thread you would also have Kung-Fu Fighting, Copa Cabana and YMCA stuck in your head also.
            Cut. It. Out. Or I'll unleash the Macarana.

            Sidepasser, now what is a good name for this soap opera?
            Games Trainers Play.
            Delicious strawberry flavored death!

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            • bugsy, I know plenty of older fused horses that are great on their lead changes as well. But my experience has been that if they were sticky/slow before it doesn't get better after they fuse. But then again, I couldn't claim to have any statistically significant study group, thus the pretty clear caveat. Also, in my experience, it's hard to keep a hunter showing regularly through the fuse period, even with injections. And then you get into the current vet debate as to whether you are prolonging the fusing process by injecting and giving legend and/or adequan. Yeehaw, fun times.
              Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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              • Is it possible the digital x-rays were e-mailed? I know when I was horse shopping, several people e-mailed me x-rays.
                RIP Disco (6/8/2000 - 4/1/2008)

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                • Who was "ripping"?

                  Epona, I'm confused about the "ripping the farrier" part? When you said "he", were you referring to the father of the rider? I got the impression thru this thread that he was not that knowledgeable/involved except to be the writer of the much discussed check? Did she feel that he was yelling at her about things he really didn't know much about? Or is she so beat up at this point that she doesn't care?

                  Oh, and the $1,000 reduction: we had a PPE vet check done at a state university vet school two years ago, digital x-rays from every possible angle, and mostly testing for ulcers, which we suspected: cost was $1,100.00.
                  "I swear it happened just like this" - Leonard Cohen

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                  • Originally posted by EponaRoan View Post
                    Yeah, if you have the papers, the horse and the tattoo guy is there, the opportunity is often seized. So a horse can be tattooed and not have raced. S/he's probably been at the track though.
                    I owned a TB that was tattooed but had never been even backed so I'm thinking you are right.

                    I'm guessing the tattoo guy was there and since they planned on backing him (before they turned him back out to grow again) they had him done.

                    So, being tattooed and being at TB does not mean the horse has ever even had race training.

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                    • Originally posted by eponacowgirl View Post
                      I thought the horse was OTTB- my friend rides on the track, so I simply assumed he was. His ad, come to find out, says he was never raced, but Bugsynskeeter and I know he's tattooed and couldn't remember if a horse had to have his gate card to be tattooed. Is it possible that he trained on the track, got tattooed but never started? Or could he be tattooed and never have been on the track? If he was trained on the track, but never raced is he still an OTTB?
                      My OTTB is tattooed and had a gate card, but never raced. I bought him from the people who owned and bred him. They stated he was fast enough, but didn't like to run in front and preferred to follow behind another horse, which obviously is not going to work for racing! So, his owners brought him home as an unraced two year old, stuck him in a field for a few years, and finally sold him to me. His "not wanting to go in front" attitude prevailed even on the trails - it was years before he would lead a group or go out alone on the trail.

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                      • Originally posted by eponacowgirl View Post
                        I thought the horse was OTTB- my friend rides on the track, so I simply assumed he was. His ad, come to find out, says he was never raced, but Bugsynskeeter and I know he's tattooed and couldn't remember if a horse had to have his gate card to be tattooed. Is it possible that he trained on the track, got tattooed but never started? Or could he be tattooed and never have been on the track? If he was trained on the track, but never raced is he still an OTTB?

                        Hey guys, didn't the seller BUY the horse from things 1??? So that has nothing to do with her riding at the track and having picked him up there!!
                        http://www.talloaksfarm.net ---"Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts." --- Winston Churchill

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                          Originally posted by talloaks View Post
                          Hey guys, didn't the seller BUY the horse from things 1??? So that has nothing to do with her riding at the track and having picked him up there!!

                          *sigh* Thing 1, my friend, and (different) trainer (D.T.) my friend rode for on the track are all closely related. Thing 1 often gets horses from D.T. that aren't working out on the track to reschool as hunters.

                          My friends first horse (the keep-forever kind) came from D.T. through Thing 1. Friend exercised horse on the track, and when he showed no promise to KEEP on the track, Thing 1 helped from procure first horse.
                          Big Idea Eventing

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                          • Originally posted by eponacowgirl View Post
                            *sigh* Thing 1, my friend, and (different) trainer (D.T.) my friend rode for on the track are all closely related. Thing 1 often gets horses from D.T. that aren't working out on the track to reschool as hunters.

                            My friends first horse (the keep-forever kind) came from D.T. through Thing 1. Friend exercised horse on the track, and when he showed no promise to KEEP on the track, Thing 1 helped from procure first horse.


                            Thanks! explains a lot!!
                            http://www.talloaksfarm.net ---"Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts." --- Winston Churchill

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                            • I have always found it odd that people would want a horse with problems so long as it is cheaper......vet checks really only amount these days to how much we can get the buyer off the asking price which is why people jack the price up to give a break after the vetting.

                              The funny thing is my source in Florida heard the trainer of the new owner saying they bought the horse for $20,000.00 and it is the kids new Marshall & Sterling horse. Isn't it funny how people want to give the impression they have a $20,000 horse when they paid less than $10,000 (I cant give away the price) for it.

                              Once the check clears and the deal is done I will return with some additional funny fodder!

                              As far as hocks on their way to fusing.....if that is in fact the truth, it should be noted on the PPE form which means any hock issues would be pre-ex'd for insurance purposes. Who wants to bet it is NOT on the PPE form.....

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                              • Originally posted by DMK View Post
                                Most tracks require a horse to be tattooed to be approved out of the gate (required before they can be entered in a race), so unraced but tattooed means the horse made it to some significant level of race training before they gave up on him.
                                This is not completely true. The trainer that did our track horses had them tattooed as soon as they arrived on the track for safety reasons. Should the horse get stolen or "misplaced", the tattoo would serve as an identifier. My horses got their number before they even went near the gate. My one gelding ended up not having the desire to outrun a human, so we brought him home and turned him into a hunter. I would hate for people to think that he had a "significant level of race training" when in fact the poor guy went more like a pony horse than a race horse!
                                Member of the "I Ride A Chestnut Thoroughbred Mare, So You Don't Scare Me Clique"

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                                • Originally posted by LockeMeadows View Post
                                  This is not completely true. The trainer that did our track horses had them tattooed as soon as they arrived on the track for safety reasons. Should the horse get stolen or "misplaced", the tattoo would serve as an identifier. My horses got their number before they even went near the gate. My one gelding ended up not having the desire to outrun a human, so we brought him home and turned him into a hunter. I would hate for people to think that he had a "significant level of race training" when in fact the poor guy went more like a pony horse than a race horse!
                                  The rest of my quote counts for something if we are considering context - my definition of OTTB (not to be confused with yours or anyone else's definition) is a horse that worked in company. I'd guess the average trainer wouldn't make a judgment on a sound horse's race desire until he had worked him in company a few times. And then within the distinction "OTTB" if it means anything (and I'm not sure what it means other than the horse was - as described - off the track and registered as a TB with the JC) there are horses who barely raced or did not race all the way to hard knocking old time campaigners with 50+ starts under their belt.

                                  But in the absence of any known record, you can safely say a TB with a tattoo probably worked in company and got a flavor for what his job was all about. From there, it's up to you what that means (it doesn't much mean anything more to me than I know I can track down every recorded bit of JC history on a previously unknown horse for a small fee).
                                  Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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                                  • Who wants to bet, that if this girl actually does get a cheque that clears (although I'm betting she doesn't recieve a cheque at all) said horse will suddenly appear for sale again down in Florida for quadruple the price with "clear" x-rays!
                                    Go Ahead: This is a dare, not permission. Don't Do It!

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                                    • Originally posted by eclipse View Post
                                      Who wants to bet, that if this girl actually does get a cheque that clears (although I'm betting she doesn't recieve a cheque at all) said horse will suddenly appear for sale again down in Florida for quadruple the price with "clear" x-rays!
                                      I'm ready and waiting for this one--I just need EC or Donkeyman to PM me the pertinent info and I'll be one hell of a possible "buyer" .

                                      Karma's a b*tch, doncha know!

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                                      • Originally posted by eclipse View Post
                                        Who wants to bet, that if this girl actually does get a cheque that clears (although I'm betting she doesn't recieve a cheque at all) said horse will suddenly appear for sale again down in Florida for quadruple the price with "clear" x-rays!
                                        haha me to -- for $20,000.00 as of what the owner according to donkeyman is saying so nice big fat profit all clear all good

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                                        • Maybe it's just my suspicious nature, but I think I'd already be combing the internet ad sites for horses matching "T's" description, and bearing the aforementioned quadruple pricetag.

                                          But, I'm bad like that.
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