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Games Trainers Play: The Florida Horse Saga

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  • #81
    Backstory makes it worse...

    Come on now...what trainer trains and shows a sale horse for nothing for months and just says I'll tack it on to the sale price? What, like 3k for every month it's there with the show costs? More if it's Ocala or WEF. Is this the kind of horse that will double in value in 90 days and command enough of a price to get that trainer paid back?

    Nope. Trainer is going to put a series of kids on the horse and charge them for show training and lessons and use horse to make money off of. Trainer won't try that hard to sell it or will lose an income generating fancy school horse.

    Season in Florida ends, business drops, trainer says "sorry, couldn't sell him. Come get him"..."oh, he's been showing alot and lost a little weight. And there is this vet bill and and farrier bill".

    Nobody works for nothing and there is no such thing as "it will cost you nothing".

    Just LEASE the darn thing for a decent sized fee if you want...but don't send it to somebody you don't know for a teenager who isn't going to sign any checks and a bunch of unknown other "hot buyers". If that trainer really had any buyers, she'd sell them horses-I hear they have some in Florida that don't need to come 400 miles sight unseen.

    Lastly, shame on that trainer for saying he has done it before...he is a mature adult and Professional horseman, not a kid right out of college like OP and friend. Young adults-or older ones-that do not regularly buy and sell are sitting ducks for ill thought out deals like this.

    While I don't see it as a deliberate scam, if this Fla trainer can really sell this horse, she'd buy him right now and make more resale profit when he steps off the trailer down there then she would carrying him for months-unless she is looking for that seasonal fancy school horse she can teach on and take to shows under the guise of "training" while billing her clients for all the "training" then send him back at the end of the season.

    When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

    The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.


    • Original Poster

      Just FYI, I linked my friend to this page, so hopefully all your stories will help her make a decision.

      I need I could count on COTH for a response... although I never DREAMED that everyone would agree!

      I might just be the end of the world.

      Thanks y'all!
      Big Idea Eventing


      • #83
        I am cowering under my desk in anticipation of the end of the world since EVERYONE seems to be in agreement on this one.. I hope the OP takes this as one of those signs from God (or whatever being you choose to believe in) that this is a horribly BAD IDEA. Take the rose colored glasses off and quit thinking that "oh that won't happen to ME... MY trainer wouldn't do that.... Who cares if 99.99% of the people got screwed I'll be the exception...." if that is the case I have a sterile Gypsy Vanner stallion that can jump 7'3" and pay for his board in golden poop I'll sell ya.. cause ya know.. I'm nice like that.... Seriously... run like Heck!! There ARE other buyers out there... I promise!!!!

        FWIW I drove 3 hrs one way to look at my current horse 3 times... to see him.. vet him... then bring him home... NEVER did it occur to me to have them bring the horse to me....EVER!!!!
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        • #84
          Hey EC....this is what airplanes are for! People hop a flight ALL THE TIME to go look at horses. I, personally, would never haul a horse that distance for a buyer to see. It is ultimately THEIR responsibility to figure out a way to see the horse.

          That said, when I have sold horses in this manner, I have done everything I could on my end to make the visit and such very smooth....pick the buyer up at the airport (or provide good directions if they want to rent a car), recommend hotels and restaurants, etc. If the horse sells and they use commercial transport, then I work with them any way I can to make sure the "send off" is seamless....prepping horse for travel, working with the shipper to arrange pick up (and once, it was at midnight in the rain....but I was out there, waiting patiently with horse!), etc. So, there are many things you can do to help facilitate a good sale, without being responsible for every single aspect of the sale.

          If they are a serious buyer, they will come to you! Good luck!


          • #85
            I was at the Vet's one day in the US (eh, high horsey district), and there was a woman absolutely crying over her horse who came in absolutely horrifyingly skinny and sick. It was a very well known horse that had been leased to a VERY BNT... And they darned near killed it - actually, I am only assuming it did survive... And the leasor actually had called every week to check on the horse - trusting this "wonderful horseman" and was told all was fine...

            I add my voice to the chorus. Don't do it.
            co-author of 101 Jumping Exercises & The Rider's Fitness Program; Soon to come: Dead Ringer - a tale of equine mystery and intrique! Former Moderator!


            • #86
              I am stunned that a prospective buyer would ask/expect this. Some people have a lot of nerve. When I look at horses on the internet, I always take into account where the horse is located because IF I AM INTERESTED I WILL HAVE TO GO SEE THE HORSE! I would never expect anybody to come to me. It would be unfair and stressful to the horse (not to mention the owner!).

              If the trainer is so sure she will be able to sell the horse, she should buy it, have it shipped to her, and sell it herself.

              Earlier this year, my husband had a computer for sale on eBay. One prospective buyer lived about 3 hours away and he kept e-mailing and asking if my husband would deliver the computer if he bought it (and didn't understand why my husband wouldn't do this!). Hubby and I were both like WTF??? This situation is similar, except worse because it is a horse instead of a computer!


              • #87
                Is this trainer from Nigeria???
                Even duct tape can't fix stupid


                • #88
                  Originally posted by LisaB View Post
                  Is this trainer from Nigeria???


                  • #89
                    If you own a horse he remains in your care and custody.
                    That can only change with exchange of $$$$$$$$$ !
                    ... _. ._ .._. .._


                    • #90
                      reminds me, I have this bridge I am trying to unload...


                      • #91
                        .. I can't stop coming back to this thread..hoping to read she told them to get over themselves!

                        If your friend insists on doing this insane thing..I...I...don't think.. I can ..cope.. Lol


                        • Original Poster

                          Still no decision from the friend... she talked with our trainer at school who is a big AQHA trainer and deals with buying/selling extensively. Trainer at school suggested an insurance policy be taken out by prospective buyer which my friend is planning to do, pending the trip.

                          We'll see...
                          Big Idea Eventing


                          • #93
                            I wonder if this is the same buyer who made a similar proposal to a friend of mine? That buyer is in Florida as well. I told my friend don't walk [away] but rather RUN fast from that buyer. I "smell" fraud. Once they have the horse, it could be difficult to him/her get back or even find the horse again.


                            • #94
                              If she does go through with this I fully expect to see a " HELP they have my horse and I can't get him back.... thread or ... I got royally screwed.. how could this happen?? thread.. shortly there after....posted under an alter... of course....

                              Seriously... it is pretty cut and dry.. come here and see the horse.. or not.. bu-bye... how many of these threads do we have to see to know the story.. this board is full of very experienced people with lots of differences of opinion about most things.. when that rare thing that comes along that EVERYONE is in agreement with... ya think you might go on the side and with the experience of EVERYBODY!!! geez... (And I am still staying in my basement awaiting the 4 horseman of the apocolypse.... it is so wierding me out that everyone is in agreement... has anyone PM'd Greys and bays.. so she can be bitchy and disagree with everyone.. she might tell her it's ok to go..... just kidding... sort of.
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                              ____/ minute of it! Member stick horse art lovers
                              ';;;;;;; clique
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                              • #95
                                I guess I've had the feeling since the beginning of this thread that she wants to do it, and has already made up her mind.
                                Unfortunately, she's going to deserve whatever happens. There's prolly a 1 millionith of a chance this will be successful, her horse will be fine, and she won't get screwed, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
                                At least call it what it is and say you're sending your horse to Fla to be sold by a 'trainer'. I wouldn't delusion myself about all those "PERFECT MATCHES" promised. sheesh
                                Oh well! We've done our best Cothers!!!

                                horse-loverz, got room in that basement for one more?


                                • #96
                                  sure come on in.. I made popcorn...
                                  ___._/> I don't suffer from insanity.. I enjoy every
                                  ____/ minute of it! Member stick horse art lovers
                                  ';;;;;;; clique
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                                  • #97
                                    Cool. I'll bring the margaritas!!


                                    • #98
                                      Oh, no - for this, we need mojitos. Can't truly appreciate a trainwreck-in-the-making without them.

                                      "Poor college student" is apparently "poor stupid college student. Or, "poor, and will be poorer yet, college student.
                                      In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                                      A life lived by example, done too soon.


                                      • #99
                                        Mojitos it is!!!

                                        well, she hasn't exactly said she will yet--but I sure get that feeling, don't you!? Ah me..


                                        • ya know I re-read the first post again and it said that if this girl hauls the horse to FLA and they buy it she wasn't going to charge them the cost of taking him down there???? WTF??? Wouldn't they have had to pay to haul if they came to KY to buy it??? AND the "trainer" she is working with is ENCOURAGING this??? I smell a rat...

                                          There's a reason a brand of sucker is called a dum-dum..... I guess there is a sucker born every second...I mean this girl is acting like no one else will ever want this horse ever... I know the market is slow now but come on...

                                          Make my Mojito a double please Anyone else wanna come to my basement to party before the word ends???? I got snacks!!!
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                                          ____/ minute of it! Member stick horse art lovers
                                          ';;;;;;; clique
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