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Games Trainers Play: The Florida Horse Saga

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  • I don't know whether it's appropriate to laugh at this or not, since I do feel awful for that girl and the poor horse, but damn.

    Epona, good for you for having a chat with her about this. You probably did a good job by keeping your mouth shut for the most part up until this point, because now you don't sound like a squeaky wheel. Maybe she'll take your advice to heart this time.

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    • And we're sure the horse is in Florida, and not Nigeria???
      It's 2017. Do you know where your old horse is?

      www.streamhorsetv.com -- website with horse show livestream listings and links.

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      • Originally posted by pony4me View Post
        And we're sure the horse is in Florida, and not Nigeria???
        ROFLMAO

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        • Poor Matt! I hope he is on appropriate pain meds and feeling better.

          And I hope the OPs friend is on her way down to FL to pick up the horse.

          Let's face it, all of the "We told you so-ing" in the world isn't going to change what happened. The OPs friend sent the horse in "good faith." Her good faith was misplaced. Not a huge shock to most thread readers/posters, but at the end of the day, a life lesson for the OPs friend.
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          • I am speechless..jeez..come on..what does it take to see that the girl may NEVER see her money? and the rider may have a grand show horse for awhile?

            I have bought horses on payments, took them on trial, and never, not once did I not do what I agreed to do. I even educated the SELLERS about insurance..took insurance out and had to tell the Sellers what it was for and not to take "just a binder" but gave them a copy of the policy! and never missed a payment on any horse.

            I am one of those that believes implicitly in honesty and I think the buyer of this girl's horse is not being honest with her. I think that perhaps they want to get the price down, or resell the horse, or are allowing all sorts of people to try this horse out in hopes of making a profit from their purchase.

            I also feel that perhaps the buyers have no intentions of keeping this horse but are going to resell it (or perhaps already are in negotiations to do so).

            I would definitely take the Florida Cothers up on the idea to go visit and demand a certified bank check immediately or load the horse up and have the Seller send a transport company to fetch the horse.

            Maxxtrot is right - money can be wired within 15 minutes - I too have done that in buying a horse from halfway across the country. It cost me 15.00 and the lady had her cash in her account within minutes~!

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            • Oy. This thread has been a very interesting read to say the least!
              Your friend has gotten herself in quite the predicament and it seems that she is not willing to listen to you at all.
              I'd just step back and let it to where it goes, as it seems she thinks she has everything under control.
              Apparently she isn't too worried about the well being of the poor gelding.
              If this was my horse I would have picked him up myself. But then again he may not even be at the barn he's supposed to be. Oh, and I would never let a horse off my property without full payment and bill of sale in hand.
              I wouldn't be surprised if your friend never sees her horse again or gets any money for him.
              Live and learn.

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              • Eponacowgirl

                The next time your friend talks to the potential buyer, have her say that she has a couple of good friends near (insert wherever the horse is supposed to be) and they want to come see him.
                The virtual "woodshed" seems the only remedy for willful fools .

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                • I would have had my truck and trailer hitched and on my way to Fla before they said goodby... I mean seriously.. They asked to keep the horse until the 15th first she said NO! they said ok.. and now they are back to the 15th again... because they think... scratch that ...they KNOW the OP won't come get the horse they just lied and said whatever it took to get it to Fla. Is there some big show on the 15th or something... or is that when the "other buyers" are coming with their check..

                  They've "supposedly" changed the horses name, sent Christmas cards, changed feed, changed supplement and they are STILL dragging their feet about paying because they're not sure??? I mean why pay for something you already have for free????

                  It will be sooo easy for them to make that horse "vanish" into thin air.

                  If your friend has a check like she said she had she'd better at least try to cash it.. if they balk.. she can say it was the cost of the lease they have him on .. now to pay the price on the horse.. the FULL price..

                  Sorry your friend had to learn this lesson the hard way.. was she at least willing to listen to you?? Had she thought of any of these things happening at all??? Does she now realize that it is a real possibility that she is out a horse AND money????
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                  • I must have missed the bit about the name change and the Christmas cards. I'd be more than miffed, and on my way down there. Totally ridiculous.

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                    • Originally posted by eponacowgirl View Post
                      Horse is still there- kid is (are you ready for this?) "Pretty sure he's the one, but they're just not positive yet."

                      However- they did send back Christmas pictures of kid and horse, complete with equine Santa hat, they've changed his name, and his feed and his supplement.

                      If I'm not mistaken, the friend gave them the deadline of the 20th to decide.

                      Here ya go ... the nerve of some people...
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                      • Originally posted by eponacowgirl View Post
                        Horse shipped at 5 am this morning. He has an overnight and should get there tomorrow.

                        FWIW, the seller did ask why the buyer wouldn't fly up to see the horse-

                        "From what we've seen, we really think he's exactly what we're looking for, we don't see a point in spending the money to travel to see him."

                        They went on to explain that everything in Florida that is for sale are the same horses, season after season, just at a different barn because the nice horse won't ever sell outside of one trainer and everyone else has what they want at the moment. They thought they needed to look outside the area to bring in "new blood" (if you will) to find something they like in their price range.

                        That said, I don't know if I agree, I've never been to FL for the horse scene, nor do I have any concept of the hunter market down there.

                        I'm just reporting what the seller told me that the buyer said. Feel free to argue the point, but know that I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE STATEMENT. Remember that my horse died four days ago and I'm not in the mood for bitchy, personal, snarky, snide, underhanded or just plain ugly comments made in my direction. I'm just trying to pass on the info for anyone interested.

                        They sent pictures of their barn- fantastically perfect, of course. Its their private barn, not the trainers barn.

                        I'll keep you updated.
                        and this was on the 30th of November... the day he was shipped... that's one heck of a trial period don't ya think...
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                        • As I think another poster asked previously, have they even mentioned they have had the horse vetted yet? One can guess that he is going to have something really wrong with something (like heart murmur or some potentially bad chips that might require surgery in the future) and they are going to offer very little for him.
                          The virtual "woodshed" seems the only remedy for willful fools .

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                            Joanne- I feel like thats what the next step is going to be. Something will come up on the films thats fairly common and they'll lowball her big time.

                            I'm really hoping she doesn't actually have the check in her hand and is just "not cashing it because they asked her not to." She DID tell me she had the check, but I don't know if she was just lying or what.

                            You know, from the beginning I warned her of a bunch of the stuff that could happen... she didn't listen, wasn't worried. Today I told her all the same things, and she was a little freaked out, but I still think shes just hoping for the best.

                            I'm calling right now to see if she talked to them this evening... ahhh... VM.
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                            • Originally posted by eponacowgirl View Post

                              I'm calling right now to see if she talked to them this evening... ahhh... VM.
                              There you go back to teasing again...
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                              • Well, you KNOW that they're not going to be able to pay on/after the 15th, because, you know, they just dropped BIG BUCKS on a horse show! Maybe they'll ask for another drop in price, too, because the horse won't do as well at the horse show as they wanted it to do...

                                "Oh, sure, you may be able to take down one smurf, but mark my words: You bonk one smurf, you better be ready for a blue wave."---Bucky Katt

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                                • At this point I think I would show up atthe show and be ready to take my horse home immediatly.

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                                  • Let's wait and see what OP finds out...she's pretty good about adding timely chapters to this tale.
                                    When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                                    The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                                    • But, LuckyDonkey, the young owner apparently doesn't want the horse back.. she's already counting on the dollars for rent/tuition etc... so she doesn't have much leverage or motivation to drive down or otherwise demand his return.
                                      Nevertheless, she persisted.

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                                      • Originally posted by RainyDayRide View Post
                                        But the young owner apparently doesn't want the horse back.. she's already counting on the dollars for rent/tuition etc... so she doesn't have much leverage or motivation to drive down or otherwise demand his return.
                                        She has none at all...and she does not have the horse or the money either. Likely will continue to not have either horse or money for some time. Any contract she may have had would not specify Jan 15th so would already be breached. Maybe she really could not afford the keep the horse at all and that is part of why she is letting this continue. Who knows.

                                        There is really nothing we can do but continue to follow this and refer to it when people ask about how to sell a horse and trial periods.
                                        When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                                        The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                                        • Epona, you need to at least find out which show they are taking the poor horse to so that the Florida COTHers can go see if (and that's a big IF) the horse is actually there. I am jumping on the horse has already been flipped bandwagon and thinking that he is long gone by now. If the potential buyers are showing, bet it isn't your friend's horse the kid is riding.

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