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Games Trainers Play: The Florida Horse Saga

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  • Originally posted by eponacowgirl View Post

    I spent the weekend with my friend on my mini-vacation and OMG is she ever-so-nice and patient. I would have told the buyer to F-off a LONG time ago, but she stuck with them and I think they have a deal worked out.

    First the buyer called (on Friday evening) and said they'd taken out insurance and shipper would be coming to pick up horse on Monday, they'd like to keep him until January 15 so daughter could show him and see how they do. And, oh, we DID agree on a price that is 3000 less than your asking price, right?

    She called back and said "No, I'm asking X, and there is NO WAY I can have this horse ready to ship on MONDAY. And NO, you cannot keep the horse for a month and half, ride it, show it, see how it places and then decide."

    Trainer calls "What do you mean you want X for the horse, you told me X-$3000 and you owe me a commission, BTW." Friend tells trainer "No, price I gave you was what I had to have when YOU were selling the horse and anything you added on was yours. Thank you, deal is off."

    Buyer calls back "Please, please, PLEASE let us try to work something out." Friend tells buyer that she'll take X-$1500, good middle of ground, is what she wanted for the horse originally. Buyer says "We'll pay that if you pay for half of shipping." Friend laughs and says "No way, deal is off." Friend contacts classmate who's parents are professional haulers and gets quoted shipping that is nearly half. Friend calls buyer and says "I found a shipper who is nearly half, here's the number, do what you'd like with it."

    Buyer calls back, horse will ship Nov 29 with cheaper shipper, insurance policy is in place (with proof!), friend will have check in hand for horse before he ships, trial period is two weeks with guidelines about use in place (no excessive jumping etc.), horse ships back at buyers expense if he doesn't work out. I'm still worried about the return shipping, but friend seems unconcerned.

    I think I've done all I can do about warnings and flashing red lights. Everything seems to be in place verbally and hopefully it will all go swimmingly.

    I was so furious with buyer I nearly snatched the phone and told him exactly where he could go a few times, but she kept with the "he seems so nice!!" thing, so... I guess we'll see, right?

    It's still all a little fishy to me, and theres still some hemming and hawing over finders fees and commissions for the trainer. (At this point I think myself and COTH deserves the commission more than shady trainer lady.) I'm fixin' to start a thread about commissions here in a second, they baffle me anyway, so...

    I guess we should all just keep our fingers crossed and bomb shelters well stocked?
    I just pray that your friend doesn't get burned big time by this... and that she's not always so naive.


    • Originally posted by 2boys View Post
      No, I think she said that this is ALL VERBAL AGREEMENTS at this point. That is what I am stuck on too (amongst a million other things). This is fun to watch, like a soap...
      Also didn't see that the insurance policy would be payable to the seller...


      • Or she is trying to please her own trainer who is manipulating her into doing this without stepping in to negotiate on her behalf and will be sticking that open palm under her nose for a cut if it does sell.

        No, people have all kinds of reasons for allowing themselves to be placed in situations like this and some are just insecure and looking to please. They think the right thing is the one that makes them better liked and don't want to say no to anybody for fear they will not be as well liked. Women are the worst for this, doormat syndrome or whatever.

        Anyway, we can't fix that.
        When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

        The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.


        • Good lord! Does the seller have an adult that can help her through business transactions? This whole thing sounds like a youngster playing make-believe--this mess CAN'T be real......can it?

          Guessing that this is for real, the cash should be sent by electronic wire transfer to seller's bank. Forget the whole check thing. With a wire, the money will be there in a matter of a couple hours.

          But, someone, PLEASE tell me this is a joke......


          • Verbal agreements are worth the paper they're written on.
            Delicious strawberry flavored death!


            • I would have told them to F*** off a LONG time ago. They need to stop wasting her time and she needs to stop letting them. Ridiculous.
              If she really cared about the horse, she would tell them she couldn't seriously consider their offer until they actually COME SEE HIM. Stupid.
              Poor horse, I hope he comes through all this just fine and maybe we'll all be wrong. I hope so for his sake.


              • I keep thinking about this ( I know I need a life) but even when I was younger I wouldn't have fallen for this.. I re-read the "plan" and I belive that the seller even CAME DOWN from her origional price to go through this mess... and the whole showing him until Jan to see how the kid does???? Who in the HELL asks for this or thinks that that is a reasonable request????... I could see me going into a sales barn and saying
                " Gee I really like this $150,000 FEI horse you have.. why don't you ship him to me and let me try him out for a season.. for next to nothing and if he doesn't work out you can come get him when the seasons over Oh and I'm not going to sign a contract 'cause ya know my word is good." These people must have balls the size of Texas... and the fact that she is going through with this shows she doesn't have the sense God gave a gnat.. Poor horse he's the one that is going to suffer for all of this .. I don't think how this is going to affect him has entered either party's minds.
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                • Fire-suit is on.......

                  I am beginning to think this thread is a ruse and there is no "friend with a horse". I say this because we have asked specific questions like a recent poster who asked where in Florida (not a farm but a city) is it going and no response is given (but in fairness maybe she does not want us to know).......other questions have gone unanswered and the fact this girl would go through with this makes me utterly suspicious.....this is just an underlying gut feeling.

                  The advice throughout the thread has been great and certainly dramatic and interesting but it just seems to odd to be true.......It is just destined to end up poorly....

                  I don;t know......perhaps I am wrong but we will see where this thread goes......


                  • Original Poster

                    Hey donkeyman,

                    I'm sorry I haven't answered your EVERY SPECIFIC question, but if you'll read the whole thread, I haven't answered ALOT of SPECIFIC questions, being that this IS an public forum and I think I've hung enough dirty laundry out for everyone to read, especially being that this isn't MY HORSE, MY TRANSACTION, MY MONEY or really even my project. "But in fairness," did you think that maybe I have my own life (you know, enough to pick up the major details put not remember whether the horse is going to Orlando or Ocala or some other city in FL??) And I'm ever so sorry I didn't answer your PM about the trainers name. I don't know it, I haven't asked it and I don't think it's anyone's business but the girl selling the horse and the kid who may (or may not) be buying the horse. I live two hours from the girl making the (potential) sale and her trainer (who isn't really involved in the situation aside from the buyer's trainer being her daughter) is three hours away from THERE, it's not like I grew up riding with this girl and her trainer and know every little thing going on. I haven't been fielding the phone calls and I'm sure that (*gasp*) I'm missing some details myself, nevermind the ones I might have withheld. I'm sorry I haven't given you every morsel of information.

                    And also, the last person who asked where the horse was going did so at 10:40 today. TODAY. Which was around 6 hours ago? Again, I'm sorry that I have a job that keeps me away from the computer for blocks of time that tend to be more than six hours. I can't exactly jump to answer questions, even if I wanted to specifically answer them.

                    I'm a "young professional" trying to "make it" in the industry and I use COTH as a learning tool constantly. I try to stay informed and getting other's outlooks and opinions (even bitchy hateful ones) is ALWAYS better than making big mistakes. I try to pass on this information to my friends who are horsey but not neccessarily trying to enter the industry as much as I can, as they look to me for real world advice. Our college equestrain center and students hasn't been around enough to be thoroughly jaded, and you know, without rose colored glasses firmly implanted on some people's faces, it'd be awfully hard to sell horses and aquire lesson students. (Do you really think little Suzy can make it to the olypics one day? Sure, lets start with learning to post and go from there!)

                    Sorry. Bad day and as if my five of my training horses didn't do enough to push me toward the edge, being called a troll will sure tip me over it.

                    For everyone else, I know, the whole thing is crazy, and I realize I didn't mention this, but she is writing up a contract to be signed and notarized. I mentioned making sure the check will clear, money order etc, but I don't know what she plans to do for that, frankly, I don't know that it's my business.

                    She does work for a VERY big name reining trainer who is helping her out, but again, the BNT is used to doing transactions with other BNTs and doesn't seem as put off by the situation, but will hopefully help to keep her out of trouble. BNT routinely ships reining horses off to sale situations around the country, but I don't know the ins and outs of how they handle it.
                    Big Idea Eventing


                    • Originally posted by jgrass View Post
                      Even so, you have to wait for it to clear. There are forgeries of such checks involved in a lot of contemporary scams.

                      You mean I DIDN'T inherit 11 million dollars from Abduh Mahummand after his grandfather died, who is incidently related to me, but no one knows the grandfater died so the money will go to he and I....??

                      Please say it ain't so!


                      • Some people just have to learn lessons the hard way. This sounds like one of them. I hate it when young, naive people won't listen to the been there done that crowd who KNOW the scams so well...

                        Sorry for the horse, but not for the girl if it doesn't work out.


                        • Originally posted by Posting Trot View Post
                          Rather than waiting for the check to clear you might be able to ask your bank to call the bank the check is written on to make sure that there are funds available.

                          The seller needs a signed contract. If she's actually going to do this deal, she *needs* a signed contract.
                          (1) a phone call to the bank is not sufficient. That might provide info on whether funds are available at that moment, but does not prevent the buyer from stopping payment on a check, for example. Bank wire, Western Union, or a cashier's or certified check would be better.

                          (2) Contract -- I would not proceed without a signed contract. But it sounds like the purchase price is not very high, and in the event the buyer breaches the contract, a few days' attorneys' fees could meet or exceed the cost of the horse.
                          Roseknoll Sporthorses


                          • im in Ocala so if u want me to stop by at some time i can do that. Is she showing the horse at HITS?
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                            • Have any more friends who want to drop off horses in Florida?I always thought it would be great to have one just show up in my paddock----saves me the trouble of going to look!
                              Seriously though, things just don't add up. They have a house on the ocean ( we are talking mega-bucks) yet they can't fly up to KY AND they argue a mere(for them) $3000.
                              Sounds way too much like the typical internet horse scams where the "buyer" sends a check for a horse they have never seen in person, sends a shipper, and check turns out to be worthless after horse is long gone!


                              • I think dumb as a box of rocks pretty much sums up this owner. I wouldn't have fallen for this at any age.

                                edited to say, its so like a really good train wreck, but in slow motion - you saw the thing approaching the bridge over the chasm, knew half the span was collapsed, told the engineer who is going to keep on going because the passengers think everything will turn out ok anyway...

                                I too am concerned she doesn't end up chained up to a iron ring in a basement somewhere in Oregon, but hey! In the end, we can all look back and remember a point when we made a choice for our own destiny.
                                Last edited by AnotherRound; Nov. 21, 2007, 01:08 PM.
                                Airborne? Oh. Yes, he can take a joke. Once. After that, the joke's on you.


                                • OK - I know the OP and the girl in question. It is NOT the OP's horse (she's got better ones to deal with anyhow) and yes, the girl who own the horse is not the brightest crown in the box. I feel sorry for her horse, cause knowing him, he will NOT hold up to super hard riding. I just hope he isn't permanently crippled by this.

                                  Don't be calling the OP a troll when she was trying to seek what was best for her friend.
                                  Only two emotions belong in the saddle: One is a sense of humor. The other is patience.


                                  • Original Poster

                                    Thanks bugs! You're my favorite. You do know this is the bay, not the grey, right?

                                    I ought to throw a couple of my sale horses on the trailer too. Six weeks of torture in FL might make them a little happier to have my ass riding them.
                                    Big Idea Eventing


                                    • OP I don't think you're a troll but I feel sorry for you in your dealings with you're friend.. I would be trying very hard not to shake some sense into her. I really do hope to hear how all of this turns out....
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                                      • As I mentioned much earlier in the thread. Even if a Contract is drawn up DOES your friend have the finances and time to pursue an out of state lawsuit if this possibly goes awry?

                                        It sound like it would be a real #itch to pursue something like this, especially if she is a college student.
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                                        • OMG. I would have told these people to go pound ground a long time ago.
                                          Originally posted by barka.lounger
                                          u get big old crop and bust that nags ass the next time it even slow down.

                                          we see u in gp ring in no time.