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  • #61
    makes my head hurt even thinking about it [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

    We even tried to program the DVD to play it all in order and it wouldn't!


    • #62
      All I can say is -- it took about a nanosecond for me to get bucked off my horse a few weeks ago and to break a few ribs, but it took about 30 minutes for me to brush all of the dirt off of my helmet. . . . Thank God for approved helmets


      • #63
        These stories are amazing- especially you Coreene!

        I plan on starting up riding again a bit in about a month and need a new hat... would NEVER have bought an approved hat... but WILL now after having read this!!!

        AND I've suffered six concussions in my life... and until I read this thread, I never really realized that some weird tendencies of mine make a lot of sense now (or, I suppose, I could still just be a retard ). Inability to walk a straight line sometimes, often feeling dizzy and lightheaded, blurred vision, occasionally reversing the first letters of two words that go together (ex, pole huncher), etc.

        Would like to say how critical it is to wear a helmet for all sports/exercising involving wheels though too!!! Any time I’m in public on a nice day I’m shocked at the kids AND adults I see helmetless. It’s just about the stupidest thing you could do, I think. One of my concussions involved a bad, bad bike accident when I was 12… was 100% something that could have happened to anyone and I suffered a very severe concussion that allowed for me to have a nice little stay in the ICU. Cracked my bike helmet in half and was told by a handful of neurologists that I wouldn’t have had a shot in hell without that helmet.

        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by marianne:
        There she heard her friend yelling and angry etc all the signs of a concussion. It made a strong impression on her. Her friend will be okay with an overnight stay and rest for a few days. But it could have been so much worse.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

        I know what that's like… and it IS very scary for all parties involved! For two of my concussions I turned into a RAVING lunatic. Was at my father's office (doctor's office) for one of them, screaming at the top of my lungs about elephants (I was doing a report on them at the time) and demanding with a WHOLE lot of rage to see my parents (when they were both standing directly in front of me). I swung with such force at the EMT when they came to take me to the hospital that I knocked him out and they had to keep restraints on me for several hours. It was very scary for my parents and my best friend to see me so out of control and unable to recognize my surroundings, and it was very embarrassing for me later on, when I could remember nothing of my antics.

        I think anyone who has been the victim of a head injury or anyone who is a loved one of a victim can very easily say that you’re an idiot if you don’t do everything possible to save yourself or friends from such trouble. After having read this all… I’ll def. be sporting the safest hat next time I get on a horse and I can’t believe I was so stupid before!!!

        Vote November 5th!!!


        • #64
          After hitting my head (the back of it), I slammed onto my right shoulder, which kept getting an awful pinched pain in it. Chiropractor, who I could not see for nine months after accident, after five visits said "Well, I can keep putting it back in but your boobs are kind of big, and since it's related to your accident you could get a boob reduction for no money."

          Which I did. And I love 'em. So for years that's been the joke: same about the head but I got my boobs fixed.

          Hey, ya gotta see humor in the most gruesome things. When my sense of smell slowly started to return, most stuff was this awful disgusting foul disgusting horrid smell/taste. Pinkerdo said "What does it smell like?" I said "What Jerry Garcia must smell like now." Okay, sick humor but it happens. And to this day there are times when I say "Can't eat that. Jerry."

          That was my Deadhead joke for all of you. No, I am not a Deadhead, but that had to be one of the most fun concerts I ever went to. And I can honestly say that Jerry Lives In Huntington Beach.


          • #65
            ... that this thread be designated a "featured" topic so it stays at the top of the category.

            I'm alive because a helmet came between my skull and a rear hoof.


            • #66
              My father had a major concussion back in 1939 or 40 from a car or motorcycle accident. He was in a coma for a long time. He once said the most difficult thing he ever had to do was learn to tie his shoes again.

              Unfortunately, there wasn't the threapy there is now, nor did we ever talk about it. I NOW know that many of my father physical problems - mostly balance related - were due to this head injury.

              What was really sad was how it came to haunt him in his last few months of life - things he couldn't do that the doctors didn't realize (til we told them) that he could NEVER do, as well as problems he had - such as a swallowing problem - I remember him choking often when I was growing up - we used to think he didn't chew his food - WRONG! It was a problem with his throat and wind pipe function that was related to the HEAD INJURY. (when we told the drs about the head, it was an epiphany for them...)

              So, not only do those of us with head injuries have to deal with the here and now, we have the long term effect to consider (or not!).

              Every ride, every time, for sure!

              19 year member of the New Hope clique! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
              co-author of 101 Jumping Exercises & The Rider's Fitness Program; Soon to come: Dead Ringer - a tale of equine mystery and intrique! Former Moderator!


              • #67
                From: HorseQuest.com - September 2000

                Equestrian Helmet Fact Sheet

                Fact #1: Between 12 to 15 million persons in the United States ride a horse or pony every year.

                Fact # 2. Approximately 20 percent of horse related injuries occur on the ground and not riding.

                Fact # 3 Most riding injuries occur during pleasure riding.

                Fact # 4. The most common reason among riders for admission to hospital and death. are head injuries.

                Fact # 5: A fall from two feet (60 cm) can cause permanent brain damage. A horse elevates a rider eight feet (three meters) or more above ground.

                Fact # 6: A human skull can be shattered by an impact of 7-10 kph. Horses can gallop at 65 kph.

                Fact # 7: According to the National Electronic Surveillance System 1998 the most likely ages for injury is at 5-14, and 25-44 years with each decade having about 20 percent of the injuries.

                Fact # 8: A rider who has one head injury has a 40 percent chance of suffering a second head injury. Children, teens and young adults are most vulnerable to sudden death from second impact syndrome: severe brain swelling as a result of suffering a second head injury before recovery from the first head injury.

                Fact # 9: Death is not the only serious outcome of unprotected head injuries. Those who survive with brain injury may suffer epilepsy, intellectual and memory impairment, and personality changes.

                Fact # 10. Hospital costs for an acute head injury can be in the range of $25000 per day. Lifetime extended care costs may easily exceed $3 million. There is no funding for rehabilitation outside the medical setting.

                Fact # 11: Helmets work. Most deaths from head injury can be prevented by wearing ASTM (American Society for Testing Materials), SEI (Safety Equipment Institute) approved helmets that fit correctly and have the chin strap firmly applied. Other types of helmets, including bike helmets, are inadequate.

                Fact # 12: Racing organizations require helmets and as a result jockeys now suffer less head injuries than pleasure riders. The US Pony Club lowered their head injury rate 29 percent with mandatory helmet use. Britain's hospital admission rate for equestrians fell 46 percent after helmet design improved and they became in routine use.

                Fact # 13: The American Academy of Pediatrics, The American Medical Association through the Committee on Sports Medicine, Canadian Medical Association, and the American Medical Equestrian Association recommend that approved, fitted and secured helmets be worn on all rides by all horseback riders.


                • #68
                  Yes, too bad we did not know then what we know now. And were it not for Fred's post today, I would not have been able to pinpoint why I transpose so many numbers.

                  The potential for other problems to show up later in life because of this accident seven years ago is there in a big way. At first it bothered me, but now I just suck up and realize that there is nothing I can do about it so I will worry about it when it's time to worry, if that does come, and not before.

                  But it's like Risk-Averse says, APPROVED HELMET: every ride every time.


                  • #69
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rockstar:
                    I know what that's like… and it IS very scary for all parties involved! For two of my concussions I turned into a RAVING lunatic. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    I acted totally wacky right after my head injury. In the ambulance, apparently (I don't remember this) the paramedics asked me if my husband was a paramedic, to which I replied "NO. He is a firefighter specialist", with a really snotty tone. Then, in the ER, when my trainer was explaining to me what happened and that my horse was fine, I rather nastily asked her "are you LYING to me???" Then in ICU I went on to constantly demand my underwear and more pillows. The nurses asked my trainer and friend, "is she always like this???" Luckily this did not last long, and I think by the second day I was sort of back to normal, personality-wise. But those head injuries can really make you wacky!

                    visit www.victorianfarms.com


                    • #70
                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AAJumper:
                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rockstar:
                      I know what that's like… and it IS very scary for all parties involved! For two of my concussions I turned into a RAVING lunatic. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                      I acted totally wacky right after my head injury. In the ambulance, apparently (I don't remember this) the paramedics asked me if my husband was a paramedic, to which I replied "NO. He is a firefighter _specialist_", with a really snotty tone. Then, in the ER, when my trainer was explaining to me what happened and that my horse was fine, I rather nastily asked her "are you LYING to me???" Then in ICU I went on to constantly demand my underwear and more pillows. The nurses asked my trainer and friend, "is she _always_ like this???" Luckily this did not last long, and I think by the second day I was sort of back to normal, personality-wise. But those head injuries can really make you wacky!

                      visit http://www.victorianfarms.com<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                      Funny AA jumper! I guess you and me both aren't meant to have head injuries!

                      Even though I was a mild mannered twelve year old who would have told you that coke was soda and nothing else, they drug tested me heavily because they thought I was such a lunatic that I HAD to have been on something when I got in the accident! A little embarassing for my father in his office!! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

                      Vote November 5th!!!


                      • #71
                        "always look on the bright side of life" da dum da dum..
                        your Boob/Jerry Garcia post made me laugh out loud. Luckily I did not choke on my soup (I can see the headlines, "Middleaged Woman Chokes to Death while on Internet"

                        Those stats are pretty frightening. I can't think how many 'close calls' I've had handling youngsters. A few years ago, a weanling was getting trimmed, and just as the farrier was doing her last back foot, she decided she had had enough, pulled away from me, spun and bucked up. I saw both hind feet coming at my face, and thought ,"crap, there go my teeth", well, the trajectory was a little off, instead she hit me in the chest, sent me flying and broke three ribs. Ouch. and I was hoping for a nose job. ( )
                        Does anyone have any ideas for helmet/face protectors to wear while on the ground? That won't make me look like tooo much of a chooch. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[/img]
                        A Fine Romance. April 1991 - June 2016. Loved forever.


                        • #72
                          Wow, Correene! I'm so glad you recovered!

                          I have some small experience with how you feel/felt, but certainly not on that scale.

                          Some of you may recall, back on August 14, 2001, I chronicled my unceremonious dismount from a Clyde-X gelding, and the resulting concussion I received. Had it not been for my approved CO helmet, I would not be here. Not just on this board, but in this mortal world. A Painful Reminder about Approved Helmets

                          Here we are, 14 months later, and I still am feeling the effects of that blow to my skull. I was never one to get headaches, and I still have them fairly regularly (2-3 per week) where before I'd get them 2-3 times a year. The one's I'd get prior to August 14, 2001, were nuissance headaches; two Advil and they'd be forgotten. The ones I get now are migraines, and 4 Advil and sleep might reduce them, but it really sucks when I wake up the next a.m. and I've still got it.

                          I will also have periods of vertigo, although they pass quickly. I also get the sensation of being not completely within my body...hard to describe, but it is almost like I am peering over the top of the head of a marionette and working the arms and limbs from behind. These last 3-5 minutes and happen on average once per month. I pull over when they happen when I'm driving...and that scares me. It also happens when I'm riding, so I just stop and either walk around the ring for a few laps or just halt and wait it out.

                          My typing is still not what it was, with lots of transpositions and misspellings...both letters and numbers. I also have problems with recalling words and with losing track of what I was doing or forgetting where I put something.

                          I am also more emotional than I used to be. Hard to keep up the hard-a$$ b!t@# persona when harsh words directed my way can bring me close to tears. They never used to. It used to be FU, whatever [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] when someone said something rude. This is the part I hate more than anything. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif[/img]

                          Yes, there are certain people on these boards who become mortally offended and nasty when someone suggest that they wise up and go approved. But they don't realise that it is because they are part of this community, and we'd hate to read a post "Jingle Curb Chains for So-and-So" because they took a header off a horse and now are in the hospital, having someone wipe drool from their chin every 5 minutes and a tube feeding them, and another "eliminating" for them. It is not because we are Helmet Na#!'s as one poster so tastelessly phrases it [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img], it is because we care.

                          ~&lt;&gt;~ Remember, the Ark was built by a rank amateur; the Titanic was built by a team of experts~&lt;&gt;~


                          • #73
                            Obviously preaching to the choir here:

                            I have been running test centers for the American Riding Instructors Certification Program (ARICP) this year, and I am supposed to show the "Every Time, Every Ride" video to the candidates before they start their testing. I admit that I scoff a bit at it, because it is SO OBVIOUS to me that you wear an approved helmet whenever you get on a horse! However, I have to accept that not everyone has reached this advanced stage of caution, so maybe it'll help convince someone, someday. It's a good video for the unconvinced...


                            • #74
                              So sorry to hear about it! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img] All I can say is hang in there, because it does slowly but surely seem to get better. "Get better" as in improve, not as in recover per Robby's very important facts at the beginning of the thread. I know what you mean about the out of body stuff, for a long time I was watching myself doing things like I was looking down at myself, especially when riding.

                              One of the very best exercises I have found, and which I still do, is those cards that you turn upside down and then you try and get the matched pairs. You know, where you turn one over and then try and find the match and have to remember where they were. The first time that I could do the whole game, I was beside myself with excitement. It was a big step.

                              I also find that the computer game Bejeweled is a good way to help improve concentration. I rarely play it now, but did do it for about 15 minutes during lunch for a long time. Helped me with focusing longer than a second or two, and helped my attention span improve. This may be something worth trying.

                              My math skills are out the window. I was leaving the tip on my cc form today with two coworkers, who had a good laugh when I had to add the $8 tip on my fingers. My mom was horrified when I, a few years ago in my late 30s, announced that I know longer knew my times tables. They are finito. God bless calculators.

                              Robby J, I can't tell you how therapeutic this thread has been.


                              • #75
                                After my head injury, I noticed a loss of organizational skills for probably 4-6 weeks. It was weird....we were going on a camping trip, and I had the hardest time deciding what I needed at the grocery store, and I ended up sort of wandering around and buying WAY too much stuff. This was NOT normal for me at all. Also, when I went back to work after 2 weeks, it took me a couple of weeks to get back to normal. I had to do some really complicated geometry calcs to set street alignments, and I had the hardest time with it. I sat at my desk feeling so confused.

                                I was lucky in that everything came right back fairly quickly. But it really scared me to think that I could have lost those skills forever.

                                visit www.victorianfarms.com


                                • Original Poster

                                  Fred, I think in your situation the helmet/face guard thing is really a good idea. Do you have a "Play It Again Sports" shop in Canada? It's a consignment/resale shop with sporting goods, at decent prices.

                                  I have considered wearing a helmet on the ground, too. A few weeks ago, when it was still warm and we still had flies, I was painting Rhodey's front feet (kneeling in front of him, like a dumbass) and I took a knee to the forehead that rattled me pretty good. You know what I really wished I'd had, in that situation? A mouthguard! And not my bleaching trays!


                                  You may be only one person in the world, but you may also be the world to one person.
                                  When blood is the beverage of choice, the sharpest fangs feed first.


                                  • #77
                                    Mainly because it makes me feel more "normal". After atleast 3 concussions, the last one being back in December of 2001.
                                    Since that last one I have experienced so many of the symptoms I have been reading on this thread.
                                    And of course I hope it makes those who have not suffered a head injury think about what we are experiencing and think again about how to prevent this happening to them.

                                    JMHO [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
                                    Starman Babies


                                    • #78
                                      I had a mild concussion (not enough to show damage in a CAT scan, but I was addled) when I broke both of my arms.

                                      I took a header, was wearing an approved helmet, and managed to break my fall...using the arms. I shudder to think what my head/neck would have been like if I hadn't gotten my arms up, and if I hadn't been wearing a helmet.

                                      I have no recollection of the fall itself, sort of wear it happened, and what I was doing, but not the actual impact. The pain from the broken arms was pretty intense and that is pretty much all I remember, and being splinted w/ saddle pads and sticks for the drive to the hospital. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

                                      I kept the paper napkin that my husband wrote the answers to my questions for years. I kept repeating the questions and had NO short term memory. I finally did throw that away (or lost it).

                                      Now, I've NEVER been able to keep L/R straight, and as a yoga teacher and riding lesson taker, this is tough. But, I don't really contribute this to my known header...of course, who knows, perhaps I had a concussion earlier in life. I don't remember any head injuries though. I've simply found ways to work around that minor dyslexia. Pointing when indicating and using physical reference points. I can 100% keep inside/outside straight and an exercise I was recently given in a lesson required me to say L/R/L/R with the front hoof fall. So, last night, I'm practicing, and I realized, that L was ALWAYS outside when I was doing this mentally. Even when the outside was the right side...it was LEFT [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]. Instead of stressing over it, I focused on my timing and was exceptionally pleased at how well the exercise worked!



                                      • #79
                                        She cantered on ahead of the rest of her family, since she had been riding and showing for years, and the rest of them were happy to walk.

                                        They came around the corner.....

                                        No one knows exactly what happened, if the horse tripped, bucked, spooked, whatever. But there she was.

                                        I still wonder about it, and it was eight years ago (oh my gosh, it was EIGHT years ago)

                                        Her death proved to me that anything can happen around horses. Who would have thought an accomplished rider would suffer such a fate on a peaceful family trail ride on summer vacation.

                                        She was 17. She'd be 25 now.

                                        take care out there,



                                        • #80
                                          My turn:

                                          My hubby used to ride in steeplchase and timber races. He was riding a young mar ein here first one, she jumped the hurdle, felt the brush tickle her tummy, got distracted, and never put her feet down. They hit the ground doing about 700mpm. Hhe was wearing a helmet, caliente style, but this was in the days before apporveds.

                                          He was unconscious for about 12 hours, and has lost at least a week of his memory. he feel very fortunate he hasn't lost more. After he was released fromthe hospital, he though his problems were over--he seemed to be having no physical side effects. He sat down at his desk, and realized he had no earthly idea how to use his computer. How to turn it on, how to type information in to it, how to send information to other computers (this was in the days before networking, so it was pretty complicated anyway). He had to completely relearn the technical aspect of his job.

                                          His handwriting also changed completely. It used to be neat and square--now a doctor would have a hard time reading it. He also found doing interviews difficult--he could no longer process answers and questions at the same time, so there would be long pauses during the process.

                                          All in all, he was very lucky.

                                          I've had three minor concussions. The first just left me a little addled, and made some things spotty (I remember someone holding my head in their lap and talking to me, but I remember nothing about them or their face--not even if it was a man or woman. Same with the second. THe third was a bit more serious, my head hurt, literally, for months. But, when I discovered that i had narrowly escaped permanent injury or death by wearing an approved, I didn't mind so much.

                                          When people get angry, and call us helmet nazis, I just wish they could come and live with Coreene or others like hehr for a day or two. We don't want to be mean or harsh--we just want to prevent others from ending up where we were.

                                          Great thread.