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    • texang73 - just wanted to say - went to your website - gorgeous photographs!
      \"Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion. It seizes a person whole and, once it has done so, he will have to accept that his life will be radically changed.\" -- Ralph Waldo E

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      • I want to read more about this so I am sure to get all of the facts. What is the name of the book written about it (referred to in an earlier post)? Where can I find out more information?
        Dance like no one is watching. Love like you have never been hurt.

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        • Original Poster

          Originally posted by SmileGee:
          I want to read more about this so I am sure to get all of the facts. What is the name of the book written about it (referred to in an earlier post)? Where can I find out more information?
          Hot Blood by Ken Englade is a good starting point. However, it's now out of date b/c it fails to take the Joe Plemmons situation into account.

          For the rest, it's best to Google. Or just do a search here.
          "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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          • And isn't it a pity that Joe Plemmons a man who himself confessed to shooting Helen Brach in the head twice when he realized she was not already dead; and then disposed of the body is still at our prestigious horse shows selling new horses to new unsuspecting clients.

            I hope none of them intends to report his activities to the DA in Florida.
            http://www.usAHSA.org and http://www.noreinstatement.org

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            • Originally posted by SmileGee:
              I want to read more about this so I am sure to get all of the facts. What is the name of the book written about it (referred to in an earlier post)? Where can I find out more information?
              You could start here
              Excerpt from Hot Blood
              Janet

              chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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              • Also check the other thread, legal documentation was posted.
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                • Original Poster

                  While we're all waiting for petitiononline.com to get its act together...

                  Is anyone good with graphics? I stink at them.

                  In addition to the online petition, I'm doing a little microsite that contains a printable and re-useable version of the petition for those who want to take it to shows. But I'd loff to have a logo, and what I want is very, very simple.

                  Please PM me if you would like to take a shot at it. So to speak.
                  "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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                  • Is there any deviation of USEF rules when one's trainer is under suspension, and the trainer of record on the entry blank is a trainer in the employ of the suspended trainer? In and of itself, that seems to be deceitful at best, but if the training money for the day's activities were to go to Mr. Valliere, is it not as if he were the trainer for that day of showing?
                    POYBGP, member in good standing.

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                    • Originally posted by harryjohnson:
                      Is there any deviation of USEF rules when one's trainer is under suspension, and the trainer of record on the entry blank is a trainer in the employ of the suspended trainer? In and of itself, that seems to be deceitful at best, but if the training money for the day's activities were to go to Mr. Valliere, is it not as if he were the trainer for that day of showing?
                      Yes
                      GR702 Violations.
                      1. A violation is any act prejudicial to the best interests of the Federation, including but not
                      limited to the following:
                      a. Violation of the rules of the Federation.
                      b. Disqualification by a Licensed Competition. BOD 1/16/05 Effective 12/1/05
                      c. Penalization by an administrative agency, humane society or court of law for
                      violation of Federation rules.
                      d. Acting or inciting or permitting any other to act in a manner contrary to the rules of
                      the Federation, or in a manner deemed improper, unethical, dishonest, unsportsmanlike
                      or intemperate, or prejudicial to the best interests of the sport and the Federation.
                      e. Any act committed or remark made in connection with the competition considered
                      offensive and/or made with the intent to influence or cast aspersions on the character or
                      integrity of the licensed officials, approaching a judge before or after a decision without
                      first obtaining permission from the show committee or steward/technical delegate,
                      inspecting a judge’s card without the judge’s permission, or public verbal abuse of
                      competition officials.
                      f. Physical assault upon a person and/or cruelty to a horse as defined in GR302.
                      g. Failure to obey any penalty imposed by the Federation.
                      h. Exhibiting any horse while in the care, training or custody of a suspended trainer.
                      i. Riding, exhibiting, coaching or training for the benefit, credit, reputation or
                      satisfaction of a suspended person.

                      j. Failure to pay indebtedness to the Federation or indebtedness for hearing
                      transcripts or other hearing expenses arranged through the Federation.
                      k. Participating in any manner at a recognized competition while not in good standing
                      or competing horses not in good standing at a licensed competition. (See GR134)
                      BOD 1/16/05 Effective 12/1/05
                      l. Prescribing, dispensing, or administering a drug by a veterinarian which results in a
                      finding of a forbidden substance. In the event a positive report is received by the
                      Federation for a horse or pony to which a forbidden substance has been administered
                      in any manner and the veterinarian is identified in any manner as the source of said
                      forbidden substance, said violation will be addressed pursuant to GR412.
                      BOD 1/16/05 Effective 12/1/05
                      GR703 Penalties.
                      1. If found guilty, the accused will be subject to such penalty as the Hearing Committee
                      may determine, including but not limited to:
                      a. CENSURE. A vote of Censure will be listed under the defendant’s name in the
                      Secretary’s Record of Penalties. If found guilty of a further violation the defendant will
                      be subject to a heavier penalty than for a first offense.
                      b. SUSPENSION of such person for any period from showing or having others show,
                      exhibit or train for him or her.
                      (1) A suspended person is forbidden for the time specified in the decision from the
                      privilege of taking any part whatsoever in any Licensed Competition and is excluded
                      from all competition grounds during Licensed Competitions, as an exhibitor,
                      participant or spectator. BOD 1/16/05 Effective 12/1/05
                      (2) In addition, a suspended person is forbidden from participating in all Federation
                      affairs and activities, to hold or exercise office in the Federation or in any Licensed
                      Competition, to attend, observe or participate in any event, forum, meeting,
                      program, clinic, task force, or committee of the Federation, sponsored by or
                      conducted by the Federation, or held in connection with the Federation and any of
                      its activities. BOD 1/16/05 Effective 12/1/05
                      (a) Not withstanding the above, a Director may be removed from the Board or
                      Executive Committee only in accordance with the applicable provisions of the
                      Bylaws.
                      (b) If the Hearing Committee deems it appropriate, it may send its findings
                      concerning a Director to the Board for its consideration.
                      (3) Where practical and appropriate in the opinion of the Hearing Committee,
                      suspension may include the comparable dates during which the violation occurred.
                      c. SUSPENSION for any period of the horse or horses, owned by him or her, or shown
                      in any name or for his, her, or their credit or reputation, whether such interest was held
                      at the time of the alleged violation or acquired thereafter.
                      The Executive Committee or
                      the Hearing Committee may at a later date remove the suspension of said horse or
                      horses if it is demonstrated to their satisfaction that a sale or transfer thereof was made
                      by such person, partnership, or corporation in such as to be a bona fide transaction and
                      not with the intention of relieving the suspended owner of penalty. See GR135.
                      d. SUSPENSION for any period of any volunteer or any employed person who rides or
                      exhibits for the benefit, credit, reputation or satisfaction of another suspended person.

                      e. EXPULSION from all Licensed Competitions. BOD 1/16/05 Effective 12/1/05
                      f. EXPULSION or SUSPENSION from membership in the Federation.
                      g. FORFEITURE of trophies, ribbons, prize money, and/or sweepstakes won in
                      connection with the offense committed, which will be redistributed accordingly and
                      payment of a fee of $200 to the competition in question. Federation points may be
                      nullified and redistributed at the discretion of the Hearing Committee.
                      h. SUSPENSION from office as steward, technical delegate, judge, course designer or
                      competition official.
                      i. REVOCATION of judge’s, steward’s, technical delegate’s or course designer’s license.
                      j. FINE.
                      2. Federation Affiliated Associations must honor all Federation penalties. See GR205.
                      GR704 Regulations as to Suspended Persons.
                      1. The purpose of this Rule shall be to prevent the avoidance by suspended exhibitors,
                      trainers, coaches and other persons of the terms and conditions of their suspensions, or the
                      penalties intended by the Hearing Committee as appurtenant to such suspensions.
                      This
                      Rule shall apply to the spouse of a suspended person as well as to any other persons or
                      entities, including, without limitation, companions, family members, employers, employees,
                      agents, partnerships, partners, corporations or other entities, whose relationship, whether
                      financial or otherwise, with a suspended person would give the appearance that such other
                      persons are riding, exhibiting, coaching or training for the benefit, credit, reputation or
                      satisfaction of the suspended person.

                      2. No suspended person’s spouse or companion shall assume any of the suspended
                      person’s responsibilities whatsoever at Federation competitions during the term of said
                      suspension. Companion shall be defined as any person who co-habits with, or otherwise
                      shares living accommodations with, a suspended person.
                      3. No suspended person’s spouse or companion may fill out any entry blanks for any of
                      the suspended person’s customers for Federation competitions during the term of the
                      suspended person’s suspension, or pay or advance entry fees on behalf of customers for
                      Federation competitions during said period.
                      4. Any person who assumes the responsibility for the care, custody or control of an
                      unsuspended horse completely or in part owned, leased, trained by or coached by a
                      suspended person, must not:
                      a. Be paid a salary directly or indirectly by or on behalf of the suspended person; or
                      b. Receive a bonus or any other form of compensation in cash, property or other
                      remuneration or consideration such as to make up for any such lost salary; or
                      c. Make any payments of any kind, or give any remuneration or other compensation or
                      consideration, to the suspended person,
                      his/her spouse or companion, any corporation,
                      partnership or other entity owned or controlled by said suspended person or to any
                      other person for transfer to any of said individuals or entities for the right to ride, exhibit,
                      coach or train for the suspended person or any of the suspended person’s customers
                      during Federation Licensed Competitions; or BOD 1/16/05 Effective 12/1/05
                      d. Use the farm or individual name of the suspended person.
                      5. An individual who takes over the horses of a suspended trainer or coach must:
                      a. Bill customers directly on his/her own bill forms for any services rendered at or in
                      connection with any Federation Licensed Competitions; BOD 1/16/05 Effective 12/1/05
                      b. Maintain a personal checking account totally separate from and independent of that
                      of the suspended person for purposes of paying all expenses of and depositing all
                      income from customers;
                      c. Pay all his/her employees working at Federation competitions, none of whom may
                      be employees, directly or indirectly, of the suspended person;
                      d. Keep checks, books, employee records and make withholding of taxes and other
                      regular deductions from his/her employees’ paychecks;
                      e. Pay all feed bills, motel, van bills, travel expenses, etc. from his/her separate and
                      independent checking account and preserve, for six months after the date that said
                      suspension is terminated, invoices for said bills;
                      f. If such individual makes use of any equipment of a suspended trainer, the use of
                      said equipment must be enumerated in detail in a written lease, the form and substance
                      of which must be satisfactory to counsel for the Federation and shall be at the fair rental
                      value for said equipment and said price must be included in said agreement;
                      g. File such federal and state tax returns as will reflect as his or her income the income
                      from said training or coaching responsibilities at Federation Licensed Competitions;
                      BOD 1/16/05 Effective 12/1/05
                      h. Not borrow funds from a suspended trainer or coach, his/her spouse or companion,
                      their families, corporations, partnerships or any other entities owned or controlled by
                      said suspended trainer or to any other person for the purpose of going into business for
                      himself or herself at Federation Licensed Competitions during the period of said
                      suspension, nor will he/she allow any of the above-named parties or entities to sign or
                      guarantee any notes or any type of loans to enable him or her to go into business as
                      described above. BOD 1/16/05 Effective 12/1/05

                      6. Suspended trainers and coaches, and individuals taking over the horses or customers
                      of a suspended trainer or coach may be requested to make their books, canceled checks,
                      invoices, tax returns and other evidence available to Federation representatives to verify
                      and affirm the details of any relationship between them and suspended trainer or coach.
                      7. This Rule is intended to provide guidance for suspended persons and anyone
                      contemplating taking over the responsibility for the riding, exhibiting, coaching, or training,
                      of an unsuspended horse from a suspended person.
                      It is not intended to anticipate every
                      potential circumstance in which the intent of a suspension may be frustrated, and the
                      Hearing Committee shall have the power to determine whether the facts and circumstances
                      peculiar to any particular case compel a finding that there was or is a violation of the rules
                      prohibiting exhibiting any horse while in the care, training or custody of a suspended trainer,
                      or riding, exhibiting, coaching or training for the benefit, credit, reputation or satisfaction of a
                      suspended person
                      (see GR702h and i).
                      03-general rules 12-2-05 12/2/05 1:59 PM Page GR70
                      Janet

                      chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                      • So in that case, except for perhaps some creative bookkeeping and accounting (something which he would never ever do), he might be in violation of the terms of his suspension.
                        POYBGP, member in good standing.

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                        • It appears that some of the people who are posting on these threads and admitting to riding with him could possibly be in violation of the rules. Nice to have it all spelled out and saved for eternity on a server.

                          Some of these or some parts of these are new, since they have only going into effect on the 1st of December of this year. Looks as though someone is tired of watching him train from the parking lot at shows. Now that they are in effect does anyone think people will step up and protest? Put their money where their mouth is? Perhaps we can start a fund for that.

                          Lynda

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                          • Notice that many of the specific clauses only went into effect at the beginning of December 2005. But if he continues to "do it", then yes, he would be in violation.

                            What I didn't make bold origninally is a statement that says that "intent counts".
                            It is not intended to anticipate every
                            potential circumstance in which the intent of a suspension may be frustrated, and the
                            Hearing Committee shall have the power to determine whether the facts and circumstances
                            peculiar to any particular case compel a finding that there was or is a violation of the rules
                            Janet

                            chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                            • Boberry, Yes crimes against people. The most vicious crimes-someone guilty of being a pedophile. Snowbird mentioned someone admitting to shooting Helen Brach.

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                              • He should be barred for life...period...no discussion. Anything less is a joke and a copout.

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                                • Looks as though someone is tired of watching him train from the parking lot at shows.
                                  I'm confused on the logistics of this.

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                                  • When exactly is his suspension up?

                                    And all of these things must be proved, as if you were in a court of law. No heresay or assumptions. Having been down this road with another, all the proverbial ducks need to be in order.

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                                    • This Rule is intended to provide guidance for suspended persons and anyone
                                      contemplating taking over the responsibility for the riding, exhibiting, coaching, or training,
                                      of an unsuspended horse from a suspended person.
                                      What exactly does this mean?

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                                      • A convicted felon in the U.S. is no longer allowed the right to vote. Period...This same philosophy should apply here.....

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                                        • Originally posted by radio talk:
                                          When exactly is his suspension up?

                                          And all of these things must be proved, as if you were in a court of law. No heresay or assumptions. Having been down this road with another, all the proverbial ducks need to be in order.
                                          I believe it is April 2006
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