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The "NO REINSTATEMENT" thread.

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    Originally posted by Snowbird:
    You need a fundraising reason for people to buy. There's no legal fund so the only thing would be to donate to a horse charity. Maybe a scholarship for a young rider.
    To my mind, the fundraising reason for people to buy would be to contribute toward the purchase of advertisements in opposition to reinstatement.

    However, that gets into 501(c)(3)s and charitable LLCs and all kinds of crap I really can't deal with right now. Is anyone better placed to volunteer to start setting up same??

    Let's face it: This is going to be an ongoing battle, because each of these people becomes eligible for reinstatement at a separate time. So this could (I hate to break it to you) go on for years.

    BUT repeat after me: We've done it before, we can do it again!!!!
    "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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    • War Admiral,
      While I agree this could go on for years, PV will be the first and probably most supported of those seeking reinstatement. We should take the opportunity to use his application to set a precedent for those to follow. If we succeed this time, it will just get easier, however if he is reinstated, it will be a difficult arguement to keep the others out.

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      • just wanted to say that I would be happy to sign the petition.
        Member of the *OMG I loff my mare!* clique.

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        • Original Poster

          Originally posted by CollectAll:
          War Admiral,
          While I agree this could go on for years, PV will be the first and probably most supported of those seeking reinstatement. We should take the opportunity to use his application to set a precedent for those to follow. If we succeed this time, it will just get easier, however if he is reinstated, it will be a difficult arguement to keep the others out.
          You are SO right!!!!
          "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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          • I would be happy to sign any petition to keep PV or any of the other convicted horse killers from being reinstated

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            • How can he possibly be reinstated?? Here in the UK if you're convicted of any kind of animal cruelty you get banned from keeping animals - in this case that would almost certainly be a lifetime ban on keeping horses and probably a ban from being involved in the industry..
              As for being asked to judge a class, well, if I was entered in that class I'd withdraw and demand my money back from the organisers - I wouldn't let any horse killer judge me, that's for sure.
              This whole thing makes me so angry - I was livid when I first heard about it, and I'm fuming now, and as for people that want to be involved with him now, ugh, I'm not sure I could find the words

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              • Originally posted by Snowbird:
                You need a fundraising reason for people to buy. There's no legal fund so the only thing would be to donate to a horse charity. Maybe a scholarship for a young rider.
                How about a scholarship named after Roseau Platiere for a junior rider? BTW War Admiral, I like the addition to the petition.
                L. Bradley
                www.theoutsidecourse.com Check it out!
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                • The funds raised will need to go towards the objective, if you will, rather than to a charitable act. If the mission were to fail, and Mr. Valliere is reinstated, a charity in the name of Roseau Platiere would then be in order, especially if it could be awarded at a show that Mr. Valliere is certain to attend. I tend to think that a scholarship might not be the best choice, given that most of the juniors who ride also have the means to further their education. Just a thought, I am willing to be shot down on this opinion.
                  POYBGP, member in good standing.

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                  • I don't have time to read the thread, so my apologies in advance for repetition - if I am doing so...
                    Valliere and Ward make more money now, on suspension, than they EVER did before. They can train off grounds, watch videos of rounds and critique back in the comfort of their living rooms. Their horse sales are world famous!
                    GLL, Jr (Lindemann) doesn't NEED more money (every time you buy one of them there CELLULAR phones you're paying little Georgie...).
                    Yes, ban them for life, but sadly it won't affect them at all. Busine$$ as usual.

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                    • Originally posted by harryjohnson:
                      The funds raised will need to go towards the objective, if you will, rather than to a charitable act. If the mission were to fail, and Mr. Valliere is reinstated, a charity in the name of Roseau Platiere would then be in order, especially if it could be awarded at a show that Mr. Valliere is certain to attend. I tend to think that a scholarship might not be the best choice, given that most of the juniors who ride also have the means to further their education. Just a thought, I am willing to be shot down on this opinion.
                      How about having a grand champion hunter award in Roseau Platiere name at a horse show that would be in PV's area that clients would be attending. Trophy and cooler would be given and purchased with the money raised.
                      L. Bradley
                      www.theoutsidecourse.com Check it out!
                      http://community.webshots.com/album/526735618MJIbKY
                      http://community.webshots.com/album/546407280WGDcVr

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                      • Perhaps someone can inspire the Mr. Valliere, with all his works of charity on behalf of animals to donate!
                        POYBGP, member in good standing.

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                        • Like any passerby of a car wreck, I just HAD to go scan the "Genesis thread." Now I'm back!
                          SHAME on you, David Olinyk for going off to THE DARK SIDE.

                          Yes David, it's hard to make a living in the horse business, but do you have to stoop so low? You were THERE in Sugarbush when they dragged away that horse! How can you ever forget? God tells me to forgive, but I can't forget.

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                          • War Admiral: I will gladly sign the petition. Thank you for initiating it. It is unimaginable to me that the USEF would even consider reinstating any of these people. I would also recommend that anyone and everyone consider sending email directly to Mr. USEF president and all committee members (emails are listed on the USEF website).
                            Barbara
                            http://www.westfieldfarm.com

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                            • One change to the petition, PV is now in Plainville, MA, not Smithfield, RI

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                              • Actually his main digs are GP Village in Wellington, unless he has moved out.

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                                • If it wil be necesary to hire an attorney or PI, funds should go toward that.
                                  breeder of Mercury!

                                  remember to enjoy the moment, and take a moment to enjoy and give God the glory for these wonderful horses in our lives.BECAUSE: LIFE is What Happens While Making Other Plans

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                                  • What information do we need to send to get a petition? Email or snail-mail?
                                    Thanks to everyone for your efforts.

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                                    • I would think you would want to snail mail your documents to the appropriate individuals, with a real signature. Someone also needs to make a list of who these recipient individuals are, I do believe someone suggested earlier that not just the USEF, but perhaps sponsors, and, well why not the ASPCA, seeing as they are involved in the Maclay classes. I also understand that it is important to be sure such things are documented to the "right" person within an organization, so that the document will actually be read and recorded.
                                      POYBGP, member in good standing.

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                                      • Where do I sign?
                                        Fullcirclefarmsc.com

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                                        • "We don't need no stinking horse killers."

                                          Obviously, the only thing PV should be allowed to do is be the head of FEMA. I'll qualify this by saying that I have not read the entire thread(s) but if killing horses is not enough to warrant a lifetime ban, what is? Is there such thing as a lifetime ban from the organization? If not, seems to me a rule change is in order so that certain people never even come up for reinstatement. They wouldn't grandfather in these scumbags, but it would be there if needed. I really don't understand people who are aware of the circumstances hiring any of these people to do anything relating to horses.

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