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  • LMAO!!! I think I saw him in a tutu at The Nutcracker Suite last week. Anyway, another way around things, a ploy CK used for years, is to lease a farm abutting WPB, or any other permanent venue that hosts a steady stream of horse shows for that matter, and set up shop. I can't see a way for the powers that be to do much about this. Although, in animal cruelty cases, even on a local level, an offender can be barred from any association with animals. Much as a sex offender with children..Oh yeah, we have one of those too..I forgot!!

    *Save The Prairie Dog*
    \"Jean Louise, stand up. Your father\'s passing.\"


    • Oh! Harry I wasn't there but I would imagine he could be duded up without having to look like a fairy princess, don't you think? Especially when no one seems to care if these suspensions are enforced or not. Maybe he was the guy selling hot dogs and pop?

      I mean really, it was just bad judgment and it was just a horse. Cash flow is what really matters don't you think? We've heard all the same kind things said about Barney that we've heard about PV. What the heck they did their time.
      http://www.usAHSA.org and http://www.noreinstatement.org


      • I wonder if PV were to be "disguised" he would be as easily outted as Barney. The powers that be seem to have more disdain for BW than for PV, and in this old goats mind, which is the more offensive?
        POYBGP, member in good standing.


        • Having waded through the entirety of this thread, the thing that I find most disgusting and embarrassing as a horse person is not the length of PV's ban, but that he was allowed to continue owning / training and being in other ways involved with animals. I can only imagine what a person can do if they view a horse as a commodity and not an animal - if someone is able to dissociate themselves from all feelings of morality enough to electrocute a horse or smash its legs, are they not just as likely to employ cruel training methods? Here in New Zealand I would expect to see the SPCA or ILPH becoming involved in similar cases. A situation like this would almost definitely come to court (whether because of the insurance fraud or the cruelty aspect). I believe any right-minded judge would enforce a life ban on both owning and being involved in the training of horses.
          Chief Irrelevant Poster and member of the Broken Leg Brigade.

          I wouldn't event at all, but it feels SO GOOD when you complete in one piece...


          • Well, I can tell you that to me anyone who disposes of a horse for money can't be trusted. And, if this sport is going that route then it will indeed be a very small power base.

            Will the elite folks stay when it all shrinks down so there are so few to beat?
            http://www.usAHSA.org and http://www.noreinstatement.org


            • There's more of us here. Not only would I sign the petition I would also pledge to get 200 more signatures to help.


              • Ya just never know HJ.


                • Help me with this. I thought PV horses were banned from shows yet they do show:



                  • Only if he owns them outright. He can be a partial owner and if the other owner is permitted the horse or pony can compete.

                    Enforcement of the rules depends on whether people are willing to respect those rules. I'm not certain that as a Non-Member if he assisted and was not the trainer of record there is anyway to prevent his presence at a show; or that of any Non-Member.

                    I think he is courteous to be technically legal with a view to re-instatement.
                    http://www.usAHSA.org and http://www.noreinstatement.org


                    • and is found not in good standing and he and all horses owned, leased, or of any partnership, corporation or stable of his are found not in good standing and are suspended from competing or taking any part whatsoever in Recognized competitions and he is excluded from all competition grounds during Recognized competitions

                      doesn't "any partnership" include this horse...PV isn't even being technically legal and thus looses his re-instatement


                      • But we are licensed now and I specifically asked that question when Legal Council was present at our meeting. I would be pleased if it is not so except for the extra work chasing down who all owns a horse. Besides they would just sell the horse for a $1.00 or call it a Lease.
                        http://www.usAHSA.org and http://www.noreinstatement.org


                        • Original Poster

                          Hey y'all, sorry I was MIA yesterday. We had a dressage clinic at our barn & the schedule got royally FUBAR'ed owing to recent monsoons and freezes wrecking the footing, so, having expected to be there for 15 minutes, I was there all day!

                          I loff, loff, LOFF the idea of wristbands or some other visible form of support. I wonder if rather than wristbands, little badges or buttons might be more visible? But whichever way y'all want to go is fine by me. If anybody is good at design, or has suggestions for designs, let me know. I'd think http://www.cafepress.com would be the best way to get the job done...???

                          Another aspect of the letter-writing campaign is that we probably need to start writing to USEF's corporate sponsors and telling them we will boycott their products/services if any of the horse killers are reinstated. The Marketing/PR VPs are the ones who will really wig when 800 letters land on their desks. Anyone care to volunteer to draft that letter??

                          So, do I take it correctly that y'all would rather have this be in the form of a letter-writing/e-mailing campaign than an online petition?

                          The only thing really in favor of an online petition is that I'd like to see pressure brought to bear from outside the USA, as well as within the USEF membership.

                          Anyhoo, here's another draft. Unfortunately it makes it even longer but I hope it takes into account Jetsmom's well-stated and IMO very important concern that we make it clear Mr. Valliere has pretty much blatantly flaunted the terms of his suspension.
                          I've bolded the additional language - or I hope I have!

                          Oh and BTW, Harryjohnson, you've got mail.


                          TO: The United States Equestrian Federation ("USEF"), the United States Olympic Committee ("USOC"), and the Fédération Equestre Internationale ("FEI"):

                          Purpose: This petition is in opposition to the reinstatement of Mr. Paul Valliere to full membership rights and privileges in the United States Equestrian Federation ("USEF").

                          Background: On March 12, 1996, a meeting of the Hearings Committee of the American Horse Shows Association (predecessor in interest to USEF) was held and the following resolution was adopted:

                          "Mr. Paul Valliere, of North Smithfield, RI, violated Rule III, Article 302.6 and Rule VII, Article 702(a), (d), and (f) of this association, in that he was convicted of having participated in a plan or conspiracy to commit acts of cruelty or abuse to a horse and the conduct underlying his conviction is deemed improper, unethical, dishonest, unsportsmanlike or intemperate, or prejudicial to the best interests of the Association.

                          In considering an appropriate penalty for the violation by MR. VALLIERE, the committee members weighed in his favor that he had cooperated with the government; however, the panel also took into consideration that he hired a killer for the horse Roseau Platiere, owned by him, which was electrocuted as part of a scheme to defraud an insurance company, and that the evidence presented at the hearing established that death by electrocution causes pain to the horse.

                          For his violation of the rules as charged, the committee determined pursuant to the provisions of Rule III, Article 302.6 and Rule VII, Article 703.1 (b), (c) and (f), that effective immediately and until further notice, MR. VALLIERE is hereby expelled from membership in the AHSA and denied all the privileges of membership including the ability to hold or exercise office in the association, attend or participate in association meetings, hold license(s) as an AHSA or FEI official, compete in international competitions or receive AHSA automatic insurance coverages or participate in AHSA group insurance programs and is found not in good standing and he and all horses owned, leased, or of any partnership, corporation or stable of his are found not in good standing and are suspended from competing or taking any part whatsoever in Recognized competitions and he is excluded from all competition grounds during Recognized competitions as an exhibitor, participant, or spectator. The panel members also directed that the Hearing Committee retains jurisdiction over this matter, and MR. VALLIERE may not apply to the Association for reinstatement any sooner than 10 years from the date he first became suspended by the Association on account of his indictment for the crime in question and then only based upon affirmative proof of total rehabilitation, including proof that he has taken steps to reform himself and has performed community service to benefit the welfare of horses."

                          We, the undersigned, do not believe that Mr. Valliere has presented sufficient proof of total rehabilitation as required by USEF. While we acknowledge that Mr. Valliere has taken some steps to be seen to adhere to the terms of his suspension, we believe that he has demonstrated flagrant disregard for the spirit and intent of the suspension in the following ways:

                          (1) He has arranged for advertisements in equestrian publications touting his support for charitable activities.

                          (2) He has routinely coached and trained horses and riders on the grounds of USEF rated shows on "off days".

                          (3) He has judged non-rated classes on the grounds of USEF rated shows on "off days".

                          (3) He has routinely coached and trained horses and riders just outside the physical boundaries of the grounds of USEF rated horse shows when those shows are in session.

                          (4) He has coached and trained horses and riders on the show grounds of USEF rated horse shows via walkie-talkie, while he physically remained just outside the boundaries of the grounds.

                          We further believe that the reinstatement of Mr. Valliere would be in direct contravention of the USEF's own Vision Statement, contained in the USEF Bylaws, which states, in part:

                          "Bylaw 102: The vision of the Federation is to provide leadership for equestrian sport in the United States of America, promoting the pursuit of excellence from the grass roots to the Olympic Games, based on a foundation of fair, safe competition and the welfare of its human and equine athletes...."

                          The killing of the equine athlete Roseau Platiere flies in the face of USEF Bylaws. It is also in direct contravention of the FEI Code of Conduct, which states in part:

                          "The Fédération Equestre Internationale (FEI) expects all those involved in international equestrian sport to adhere to the FEI’s Code of Conduct and to acknowledge and accept that at all times the welfare of the horse must be paramount and must never be subordinated to competitive or commercial influences.

                          At all stages during the preparation and training of competition horses, welfare must take precedence over all other demands. This includes good horse management, training methods, farriery and tack, and transportation."

                          In killing the equine athlete Roseau Platiere, Mr. Valliere directly violated the FEI Code. The reinstatement of Roseau Platiere's admitted killer is not in the best interests of equestrian sport, USEF, the United States of America, or the FEI, and does not promote the welfare of our equine athletes.

                          Respectfully submitted,
                          "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief


                          • WA -
                            I vote for both. Letters to sponsers and a petition. Get them from both sides. Can't ignore us then, or at least it will be much more difficult.



                            • Original Poster

                              Works for me, if it works for y'all!!

                              Anybody want to help compile the list of e-mail addies?? We need: the USEF officers/directors, USEF Executive Committee, Hearings Committee, Ethics Committee. And so on. Of course, you can also get them all at http://www.usef.org, but from the last time we got together & did this, it seemed people were more likely to actually send e-mails if there was a list right in front of them on their puter screens.

                              We also need contact names at the USOC and FEI.

                              If no one else can, I'll do it tonight or tomorrow. But I find myself in dire need of a horse hug, so I'm going out to take Avery for a nice little drive with his new jingle bells now.
                              "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief


                              • Okay, I have printed off War Admiral's petition and will get this ball rolling. It will go to four show barns in NoVa this week and I will get signatures. Just an FYI: for the signatures. Have people sign, print their name and address. If they know their USEF # it should be included as well. Or, just a check off Member/non-member. Signatures need to be somewhat "verifiable."

                                I urge everyone to do the same: take them to your barns, give copies to friends who ride at other barns, and set a date to collect them.

                                Now: who is going to the USEF convention who can deliver the petitions to the powers that be? Unfortunately, I am not going to be able to go. But we need a central "collection point" Volunteers?
                                "Socrates was a very wise man who went around giving good advice. They poisoned him." Anonymous...


                                • I have not read enough to know if these people should be reinstated or not, but I do know I did not see this many posts about people convicted or proved to be guilty of crimes against people and are still allowed to go to shows. Just find that fact interesting.


                                  • LeesaM. These people were convicted of crimes against people.



                                    • don't forget these guys...



                                      • War Admiral's petition is impressive, and she has an excellent point with making certain the sport's sponsors also get contacted. The wristbands happen to be a popular show of support right now, you can see the Lance Armstrong Livestrong ones here: http://www.store-laf.org/wristbands.html I have seen them for other causes as well, but the particular ones escape me at the moment. How to market them does remain a mystery - any ideas?
                                        POYBGP, member in good standing.


                                        • You need a fundraising reason for people to buy. There's no legal fund so the only thing would be to donate to a horse charity. Maybe a scholarship for a young rider.
                                          http://www.usAHSA.org and http://www.noreinstatement.org