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  • Scout, I do apologize, but I have seen instances where this has happened, indeed on both sides of the fence.
    POYBGP, member in good standing.

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    • [quote]Originally posted by FuzzyLogic:
      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by horse_poor:

      So just because it does not say they area USEF member does not mean they are not.[QUOTE]

      So the USEF committee have to be psychics? or just assume everyone who signed is a member?

      I have said it before and will say it again—I will be highly pissed if any of them get reinstated and I paid money to be lumped into an organization along side them.
      Should I be pissed that I paid money to be lumped into the same organization as you and a few others? Geez, why don't you guys start another petition and ask the USEF to split memberships into two catagories and keep all the crazies in one? I'll sign that one! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Now THAT was humor! We should start a petition!

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      • Originally posted by big dawg:
        And Eric Lamaze has been caught three times for cocaine, and he is still in the sport--once he was either going into or coming out of Australia, I think, to/from a competition.
        Oh please, like a little tootage is the same thing.

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        • Susanna A. Jones (Head of School) From Ethel Walker School called me at home today. She wanted me to know that she was sorry about the ad in the Chronicle and that it did not reflect the school's thoughts on PV. As a result there will be a change in the procedure for placing advertisements. She would like to focus on the accomplishments of Julie Welles, etc. etc. They will not be placing another ad discussing the above because they feel it would bring even more negative attention.

          It was nice to receive the call. Maybe a small victory for the little people?
          Susan
          http://community.webshots.com/user/ss3777
          www.longformatclub.com

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          • have been working here on the left coast and don't have a moment to always immediately respond. That being said, as a person who knows PV and thinks that he in fact is remorseful and regrets his past actions I will speak out. (and no doubt get flamed and repeatedly have my morality, etc questioned by all who disagree with me). I think that those who do not want PV reinstated are within their rights to sign a petition, make t-shirts etc, just as I am within my rights to not sign the same petition. Like any crime, they are judged case by case and so will the reinsatement of PV. When and/if he applies the committee will focus on him and his case alone not all that were involved
            I respect your stance even if I do not agree. I can believe that he is remorseful, and certainly has regrets but that does not really equal reinstatement in my humble opinion. A lifetime ban would fit the crime, if anything could possibly fit the crime.
            Susan
            http://community.webshots.com/user/ss3777
            www.longformatclub.com

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            • Originally posted by Coreene:
              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by big dawg:
              And Eric Lamaze has been caught three times for cocaine, and he is still in the sport--once he was either going into or coming out of Australia, I think, to/from a competition.
              Oh please, like a little tootage is the same thing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
              It amazes me that some of you think that breaking some laws are o.k.--but others are not...he got busted [arrested] 3 times. cocaine is a big problem in this and other countries...the USEF has suspended people because their horses tested positive for the drug and it is a prohibited substance.
              Wow, you just want it Your Way, and have no logical point of view it appears.

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              • What is your definition of "crazies"? I am sitting here in the mother nest of the "Old Boys" network Cincinnati. Are the crazies the ones who crawl forward at a snail's pace ignoring the real state of the world and still believing that what they think is all that's right?

                Are they the ones who vote on convoluted rules that are barely intelligible because they are intended to do one thing and actually no one knows what that is? Are they the ones who will not admit what they don't understand what they are accomplishing? Are they the ones who will vote to table to July anything which is slightest bit controversial so they can claim to be on both sides of the issue?

                I so YES! you belong to an association where you have no vote, no voice and no knowledge of the plan, no financial accountability and no responsibility but they are the ones who just may reinstate PV who has murdered horses not just taken personal drugs.

                I can see a time when all the derelicts of society will be in the horse world because we are the only place who will welcome them and allow them to continue to practice their chosen professions.

                These are the people who will vote to reinstate a horse killer into the horse world. We can't allow mules to compete in Hunters and Jumpers because it would be demeaning if they won.
                http://www.usAHSA.org and http://www.noreinstatement.org

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                • Originally posted by ss3777:
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">have been working here on the left coast and don't have a moment to always immediately respond. That being said, as a person who knows PV and thinks that he in fact is remorseful and regrets his past actions I will speak out. (and no doubt get flamed and repeatedly have my morality, etc questioned by all who disagree with me). I think that those who do not want PV reinstated are within their rights to sign a petition, make t-shirts etc, just as I am within my rights to not sign the same petition. Like any crime, they are judged case by case and so will the reinsatement of PV. When and/if he applies the committee will focus on him and his case alone not all that were involved
                  I respect your stance even if I do not agree. I can believe that he is remorseful, and certainly has regrets but that does not really equal reinstatement in my humble opinion. A lifetime ban would fit the crime, if anything could possibly fit the crime. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  then petition for a Rule Change---they did not give any of these people a "lifetime ban".

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                  • Originally posted by Snowbird:
                    We can't allow mules to compete in Hunters and Jumpers because it would be demeaning if they won.
                    But they won't win!

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                    • Originally posted by shade:
                      I'm sorry BD but you cannot equate what PV and the others did to EL's issues. No where near close. I could forgive EL for his problems, those are personal problems. He didn't have a horse killed. Sorry not the same
                      You're right, it is not the same, but the Rules about participation in amateur athletic sport have to be applied across the board country to country, since all come under the USOC. Use of performance enhancing drugs is not allowed. Just ask the German Show Jumpin Team who lost their Olympic medal. [Personally, I think they should test both riders and horses, but that is for another day.]

                      Killing Mr. Ed comes under animal abuse, and their is plenty of animal abuse that goes on in the show world short of killing the horses. That was dealt with by the suspensions. These folks were given the right to petition for reinstatement--they were not give lifetime bans.

                      Eric was suspended several times for the drug problems/arrests, and the Canadian EF has been more than embarrassed by him. But life goes on, and we are taught that forgiveness is devine. Everyone deserves a second chance.

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                      • then petition for a Rule Change---they did not give any of these people a "lifetime ban".

                        Would you support such a petition?
                        Susan
                        http://community.webshots.com/user/ss3777
                        www.longformatclub.com

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                        • Originally posted by big dawg:
                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Coreene:
                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by big dawg:
                          And Eric Lamaze has been caught three times for cocaine, and he is still in the sport--once he was either going into or coming out of Australia, I think, to/from a competition.
                          Oh please, like a little tootage is the same thing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                          It amazes me that some of you think that breaking some laws are o.k.--but others are not...he got busted [arrested] 3 times. cocaine is a big problem in this and other countries...the USEF has suspended people because their horses tested positive for the drug and it is a prohibited substance.
                          Wow, you just want it Your Way, and have no logical point of view it appears. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                          Hey, airhead, do not put words in my mouth. If you would read for comprehension, you would see that my opinion is that snorting coke is not the same as having horses killed for insurance $$. Nowhere did it say that I thought it was okay to break any law.

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                          • Dear little pup I cannot imagine how you can claim any comprehension and not understand that it is a worse evil to drug a helpless horse who had no choice and who is the athlete than it is to take drugs as a passenger on one of these wondrous animals.If truly the rider was the athlete then any of those great riders could take any of my common horses and win.

                            All we are asking for is a little common respect for a horse who perhaps embarrassed an expert by not being as good as expected. He didn't need the money, his owner didn't need the money the horse could have been given away for nothing and no one would have had any real problem and maybe some junior would have had a wonderful Equitation horse for free.
                            http://www.usAHSA.org and http://www.noreinstatement.org

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                            • Scout, I think harry was referring to the "extremists" on both sides...

                              I have friends who have not (and probably will not) sign the petition for their own reasons. I may not understand how anyone would not sign it, but understand and respect those who, for their own personal reasons, are not comfortable or whatever, with signing it.
                              \"Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion. It seizes a person whole and, once it has done so, he will have to accept that his life will be radically changed.\" -- Ralph Waldo E

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                              • I was not responding to your post. I was just giving my opinion aboout the reinstatement petition. I absolutely agree that drug use should be punished as well. After all the rider is an athlete too.

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                                • A lifetime ban would be great. It should have already been done.

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                                  • Originally posted by Disco:
                                    A lifetime ban would be great. It should have already been done.
                                    Totally agree. All we "little people" can do now is to make sure the USEF and others hear that we think a lifetime ban is appropriate, and that includes not reinstating those who received limited bans.
                                    \"Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion. It seizes a person whole and, once it has done so, he will have to accept that his life will be radically changed.\" -- Ralph Waldo E

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                                    • The suspensions handed out were not limited, the suspended parties were given no "end" date, but had the ability to apply for reinstatement after x amount of years. The reinstatement is not guaranteed.
                                      POYBGP, member in good standing.

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                                      • Originally posted by Coreene:
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by big dawg:
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Coreene:
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by big dawg:
                                        And Eric Lamaze has been caught three times for cocaine, and he is still in the sport--once he was either going into or coming out of Australia, I think, to/from a competition.
                                        Oh please, like a little tootage is the same thing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                                        It amazes me that some of you think that breaking some laws are o.k.--but others are not...he got busted [arrested] 3 times. cocaine is a big problem in this and other countries...the USEF has suspended people because their horses tested positive for the drug and it is a prohibited substance.
                                        Wow, you just want it Your Way, and have no logical point of view it appears. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                                        Hey, airhead, do not put words in my mouth. If you would read for comprehension, you would see that my opinion is that snorting coke is not the same as having horses killed for insurance $$. Nowhere did it say that I thought it was okay to break any law. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        No, but you think that it is a lesser crime than killing an animal...are you a vegand

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                                        • Originally posted by harryjohnson:
                                          The suspensions handed out were not limited, the suspended parties were given no "end" date, but had the ability to apply for reinstatement after x amount of years. The reinstatement is not guaranteed.
                                          Nobody said it was...............

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