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  • Originally posted by xegeba:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Of course, if the owner of horse Cakes out an ad giving "all the credit" to suspended person A, then horse C's owner might be in violation for exhibiting "for the reputation" of suspended person A.
    owners give 'all the credit' to anyone other than themselves? Thank You maybe... Does the rule prohibit appreciation? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I have no idea. But it is a POSSIBLE interpretation.
    Janet

    chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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    • In all fairness, I don't think he kills horses without the kind owners getting advance warning.
      Save the Nauga\'s

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      • Lori B - excellent post. You said it all.

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          Originally posted by Mardi:
          Lori B - excellent post. You said it all.
          Seconded!!!

          This is probably also the right time to namecheck Lori B. for her *amazing* (to me, anway, given I can't draw a straight line even with a mouse) design work on our behalf.

          Check this out.
          Attached Files
          "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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          • I LOFF it!!!!!!!

            I am writing an article about this for our barn newsletter to indirectly "spread the word" and point them in the direction of the petition--the more the merrier!
            Co-founder of White Trash Dressage (WTD)
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            also available on Amazon.com
            http://www.cafepress.com/wtdressage

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            • Originally posted by harryjohnson:
              I am sure Mr. Valliere's horses are some of the best kept, best looking, and best treated animals on the circuit. He bills his clients quite regularly for the service, and the care of Roseau Platiere received is an indication of such. And of course Acres Wild Farm is not owned by Mr. Valliere, at least not on paper.
              FYI- most trainers bill quite heavily for the care of their customers horses, PV is not alone in charging for his services
              No hour of life is wasted that is spent in the saddle. ~Winston Churchill

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              • Question- if the issue is reinstatement why is PV being singled out?
                No hour of life is wasted that is spent in the saddle. ~Winston Churchill

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                  Originally posted by scout33:
                  Question- if the issue is reinstatement why is PV being singled out?
                  He's not, and I apologize if that impression is being created.

                  The only way we can approach this situation is to take the same approach USEF has taken - that being, to deal with each suspended party on an individual basis. Each of the nine people listed here in the Hearing Committee minutes received a different length of suspension. Thus, each person becomes eligible to apply for reinstatement at a different time.

                  USEF really had no choice in the way they handled this; we don't either.
                  "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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                  • Most likely because he is a start.
                    Save the Nauga\'s

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                    • Original Poster

                      UPDATE: THE PETITION IS NOW ONLINE!!

                      Here is the link:

                      http://new.petitiononline.com/valliere/petition.html

                      If you can find it in your heart to sign the petition, that will be great.

                      If you are in a position to pass this link along to friends/acquaintances in other USEF breed/discipline affiliations, other equestrian-related organizations (AQHA, APHA, foreign organizations) and ask for their support, that's awesome too.

                      While the priority is probably to demonstrate support from within the USEF membership, it's also going to be very nice if we can demonstrate that the international equestrian community is watching.

                      I'm still working on the microsite but in all honesty it probably will NOT go live today. I've simply got other stuff I've got to get through. But please, please, do pass the petition link along to anyone you can think of who can help.
                      "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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                      • Thanks WA for all your work on this.

                        If you believe he should not be reinstated please go sign the petition.

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                        • Originally posted by War Admiral:
                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by scout33:
                          Question- if the issue is reinstatement why is PV being singled out?
                          He's not, and I apologize if that impression is being created.

                          The only way we can approach this situation is to take the same approach USEF has taken - that being, to deal with each suspended party on an individual basis. Each of the nine people listed here in the Hearing Committee minutes received a different length of suspension. Thus, each person becomes eligible to apply for reinstatement at a different time.

                          USEF really had no choice in the way they handled this; we don't either. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


                          And the reason why there was no uproar when Nancy Manfield applied for reinstatement?
                          No hour of life is wasted that is spent in the saddle. ~Winston Churchill

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                            Haha, y'all are QUICK!!! Congrats to Lori B. for being our first signer!!

                            It crossed my mind that Yours Idiotically had not yet renewed her membership and I didn't want to sign until I was active again, so I'm #7.

                            Now it's up to y'all to get this thing circulating throughtout the equestrian community. Many, many thanks for your support.
                            "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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                            • WA -- a small nitpick on the petition...you have two #3s in your reasons why PV has disregarded the spirit and intent of his suspension.

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                                Originally posted by Indy:
                                WA -- a small nitpick on the petition...you have two #3s in your reasons why PV has disregarded the spirit and intent of his suspension.
                                I know. I apologize. I fruitbatting HATE it. But they won't let you change it after it's submitted. I can see their reasoning, which is that if some people signed it when it was worded one way, and others signed it after it was "fixed", ALL THE SIGNATURES WOULD BE INVALID.

                                Sorry y'all, I am a crap proofreader and an unlettered asp-pole!!! But we'll have to live with it. The good news is that it is not going to invalidate anything.
                                "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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                                • Original Poster

                                  Here's some drafty language of a letter or e-mail you can send folks to encourage them to sign the petition. Feel free to edit it however you want.

                                  ******************
                                  In 1996, the American Horse Shows Association ("AHSA"), predecessor in
                                  interest to the United States Equestrian Federation ("USEF"), the national governing body for equestrian sport, suspended nine (9) of its members for varying lengths of time as a result of said members' conviction on various counts of fraud and conspiracy. Most, if not all of those suspended, had either killed horses, caused horses to be killed, or conspired with others for horses to be killed in attempts to defraud insurance companies. These co-conspirators have become colloquially known in the equestrian sports field as "the horse-killers".

                                  The complete list of USEF "horse-killers", together with the terms of
                                  their respective suspensions, can be found in a report of the meeting
                                  minutes for the meeting at which action was taken to suspend them,
                                  contained <a href="http://www.ienn.com/break/mayjune97/indict.htm">here</a>.

                                  The USEF "horse killer" who received the shortest suspension term was Mr. Paul Valliere, now resident in Wellington, Florida and Plainville, Massachusetts. Mr. Valliere received an indefinite suspension, but becomes
                                  eligible to apply for reinstatement of full USEF membership privileges
                                  in April of 2006.

                                  In anticipation of Mr. Valliere's eligibility for reinstatement, a
                                  petition has been drawn up opposing his reinstatement to full USEF
                                  membership. You may view and sign the petition here:

                                  http://www.petitiononline.com/valliere/petition.html

                                  We are an ad hoc group of horse owners, trainers, admirers and competitors, most of whom are members of USEF or one of its affiliate organizations. We met on <a href="http://www.chronicleforums.com">an online forum</a>
                                  and informally agreed to work together to prevent reinstatement of any
                                  of the "horse killers" to full membership privileges in the U.S. Equestrian Federation.

                                  We do not believe any of these so-called "horse killers" is entitled to
                                  reinstatement of USEF membership privileges. We fully intend to proceed
                                  in like manner against each "horse killer" in turn as they respectively
                                  become eligible to apply for reinstatement.

                                  INSTRUCTIONS FOR USING THE PETITION:

                                  We encourage you to sign this petition and circulate it in any way you see fit. Send a link to it as an e-mail, print it out and obtain signatures, or simply e-mail links to the press, or people involved in the equestrian industry.

                                  PLEASE NOTE, however: it is imperative that the language of the petition not be altered in any way whatsoever. Any signatures on copies of the petition where the language has been changed could be rendered invalid.

                                  Please encourage your signers to provide their full information, including e-mail address and USEF Membership Identification Number, if any. If your signers are members of other horse-related organizations, that is important information to present to USEF, too. We promise your information will not be transmitted or sold to any third parties other than the appropriate committees of the USEF, the USOC and the FEI.

                                  Thank you so much for your support.
                                  "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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                                  • War Admiral -- maybe you can change the name of this thread so people know you have a petition going, and put the link in your original post?

                                    Just a thought. Thanks so much for all your effort in getting this together.

                                    PS - I signed!

                                    -Flip

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                                    • Boberry, Yes crimes against people. The most vicious crimes-someone guilty of being a pedophile. Snowbird mentioned someone admitting to shooting Helen Brach.
                                      I was duly horrified when Joe Plemmons admitted that he was a part of the murder of Helen Brach. I heard his confession on Channel 7(ABC) in person and he was interviewed in front of his farm barn sign. The name of the farm eludes me at this point.

                                      I wrote to John Long and explained that as CEO he had the authority to immediately suspend Mr. Plemmons from any presence at any horses show until there was a hearing. Mr. Plemmons said he was in Florida to sell horses but business was slow for him. Mr. Plemmons said that Helen Brach was delivered to him and a cohort in the trunk of a station wagon. She was supposed to be dead and she was still fighting to survive and moaned. Good citizen that Joe Plemmons is instead of calling for medical help he shot her twice in the head and then took her body to be incinerated.I am certain he did not refuse payment for his actions.

                                      After several years of trying to make a difference I think that the problem is in this merger we went from a Members Association to an "elite Athlete" association. The AHSA started as a Horse Shows Association and then learned better and became a Members Association.

                                      My suggestion is that copies of whatever you wish to send to USEF; be sent not to the media who will have a flash of news but accomplish nothing but to the USOC who is mandated by the Congress to manage all NGB Associations. The Congressional Committee authorized to investigate such things is the Commerce Committee. John McCain is on the Senate Commerce Committee and it might be a good idea to send a copy of all correspondence directly to him. If any of you are from Arizona then you should be the spokeman for these issues.

                                      In 1978 the Congress created the USOC because they felt that the Educational Institutions that had been in charge of would be Olympians was not reaching down to the "grassroots". If you want to read those papers they are in the
                                      Gerald Ford Library.

                                      One of the reasons for the new usAHSA is to provide a way for the "grassroots" of all disciplines and breeds to have a old fashioned co-operative with no officers just Leadership Councils and electronic communication to keep costs down. Here we can with this non-profit perhaps accomplish giving those of us who still believe this is a sport and not a money machine a chance to organize so we can accomplish good things for the "HORSE".

                                      Whichever route you choose I wish you good luck and I will keep up on the new website. We will also link to it from usAHSA.
                                      http://www.usAHSA.org and http://www.noreinstatement.org

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                                      • Original Poster

                                        Yes, the online petition will MOST DEFINITELY be sent to the USOC, and the FEI as well.

                                        Though media attention certainly never hurt anyone. Perhaps we might contract a certain Florida-based company to consult!!
                                        "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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                                        • All of this talk has made me very interested in researching this topic...I was wondering if anyone had any links to photos of the horses? I think seeing these amazing animals will drive home the insane amount of cruelty involved to commit such heinous (sp) acts. I cannot imagine.....
                                          Dance like no one is watching. Love like you have never been hurt.

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