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Update to Forum Rules: Criminal Allegations

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Missing Horses Posting Rules & Information

There are a variety of ways horses can go missing, and the circumstances surrounding some of these cases can involve ongoing legal issues between private parties that should not be hashed out or speculated upon in our open discussion forums.

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AWS Branded Mare, Grey, Huge Scar

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  • AWS Branded Mare, Grey, Huge Scar

    So, I'm looking for any information on a horse I acquired a little over a year ago.

    I bought a fleabitten grey AWS branded mare in winter of 2016 in Odessa, Florida. She was sold as a 7 year old, but the vet placed her closer to 18+. The previous owner really did believe she was 7 and never questioned it. She was sold without papers. The previous previous owner said they were lost, but they got her at a dubious auction by Miami, Florida with the papers for an AWS mare named Paris-PF that was a Hanoverian-TB cross. They supposedly used her as a trail horse. Now, there IS a Paris-PF that fits that description, but she's actually black/dark bay (I can't remember), a lot daintier in appearance, and oh... is in New York and has never left New York and is also not registered AWS, just put in allbreedpedigree as an American Warmblood for no official reason. So yeah, huge dead-end there! I'm not sure if she was at auction with fake papers or the previous previous owners were full of baloney. It was made out to sound that they bought her because they felt bad and didn't want her shipped to slaughter, which could be true. Could also be false.

    She's a THICK girl, I'm thinking draft cross. More than a couple people were leaning toward Percheron-Quarter Horse, but we can't tell for sure. She's about 15.3 or 16 hands tall. I feel that she has a rather short neck and body for her leg length and her butt is quite high. Her tail is growing in thick and wavy, but her mane is staying pretty shirt and dense. She has a blaze, but does not appear to have any leg white. Her biggest defining features include the AWS brand on her left hip and then a HUGE scar that runs from high up on the left side of her rump all the way to the back of her left thigh. She's barefoot and sound. She also has a large melanoma under her tail that fortunately isn't causing problems and two melanomas in each corner of her mouth that are fortunately not bothering her. A dentist in Florida believed that her teeth were bishoped with to try and make her look younger than she is.

    She was being used for beginner jumping lessons before I bought her. She had been on stall rest due to an injury in her knee for 3ish months before I tried her out and she rode perfectly fine, even in the crazy wind. Naturally shortly after buying her I had a couple longer vacations spring up, then I got too pregnant to ride, so she's been on an extended vacation herself. (Which is about to end, haha!) Before I stopped riding her I was able to determine that: she was fine with English and Western tack, seemed enthusiastic about barrel racing, had a super duper fast trot, had trouble (likely rider error) picking up the correct canter lead, could be nuts when lunged that carried over into riding, but if you avoided lunging (round pen OR line) and just jumped on she was an angel. She was also enthusiastic about jumping in a way that wasn't apparent when I tried her AND when I did a lessons with her previous owner. I swear at her old home I had to really work to get her to jump, but she really pepped up! I swear she was like a homing missile that locked on to jumps and was going.to.do.that.line whether the rider was okay with it or not. (We fixed that.) She seems to be familiar with neck reining and with ground driving, too.

    Last fall I moved her from Florida to North Carolina and she's gotten 1,000 "brighter." She's more alert, more attentive, and unfortunately a genius. She's an escape artist and had escaped multiple times. The first time she noticed that the stall door hinges were both pointing up before we noticed (new house) and she delicately removed it and went on a romp of the neighborhood before the horse lady down the street roped her and put her in a pasture for me to come collect. A little embarrassing walking her though a luxury subdivision to get her home. Time #2 she escaped her stall by undoing the bolt snap (they can do that???????), but we had locked the barn door so all's she could do was knock over trash cans and unstack my hay. We switched to locking carabiners for her stall and problem solved. Time #3 she removed the rail from a split rail fence, but luckily we bought an older mare as a friend for her and she couldn't bare the thought of leaving her. That resulted in her freaking out, trying to figure out how to get back in the pasture. My husband went through and then used deck screws to secure every rail of the split rail fence. And then we added electric fence. There were a couple more pasture escapes, but luckily she's out of reasons to leave so she hasn't gone far. Basically, she's smart. She respects electric fences, but she's not a stupid horse. She's relaxing on the lunge line and I can get her to follow me over jumps on foot. I can leave her for months, saddle her up, and she rides like I've been out there every day (except she's barn/pasture sour a tiny bit.) If I go into the pasture she follows me like a puppy and gives the gentlest little nose boops. She LOVES the forest. She relaxes in the forest. Her best friend can be calling to her, but if we're trail riding in the woods she's in her element.

    This story has gotten way too long, but this horse is something special. Someone, somewhere along the line spend money to have her inspected and branded. They spent a lot of time training her. They spend a lot of money to fix whatever horrible injury happened when she was younger. I don't think she's had babies, but she looooooves foals. She was the mare of choice for putting with weanlings. She's an easy keeper, but can get grabby with treats. She can be a little grumpy when it comes to food, but is relaxing as time goes on. She was pretty skinny when the previous owner got her, but she's plumped up great.

    She's distinctive, so I'm hoping that somebody somewhere recognizes her! AWS(SR) has no idea, but they granted her new papers since she is definitely branded by them. She wasn't microchipped, but she is microchipped and DNA typed now so she can't get lost again. So anyone? Any ideas?

  • #2
    I enjoyed your story. She looks like a lovely mare. I'm glad you have her.


    • #3
      No helpful info here - sorry - but she is lucky to have you! She also sound waaayy too smart for her own good lol!
      "Cats aren't clean; they're covered with cat spit."
      - John S Nichols (1745-1846,writer/printer)

      Don't come for me - I didn't send for you.


      • Original Poster

        Good news, guys! AWS was rebranded as AWS and the new people actually searched for AND found her! I never thought this day would happen and I am STOKED. Who ever finds the real identity of a mystery horse? Apparently it actually happens.


        • #5
          Just wanted to say "thank you" for taking such great care of a very special girl.
          \"If you are going through hell, keep going.\" ~Churchill~


          • #6
            Did you have her scanned for a previous microchip? If she is a former PMU horse, she could have been. The timing and breeding all sound about right. All the weanlings I bought were microchipped before they left Canada.