Anyone who thinks it is beyond themselves to answer a question they consider ignorant or rude is no less ignorant or rude themselves in my way of thinking and doesn't serve any discussion but merely displays a great deal of arrogance.
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Well I'd say the GDF is pretty much trying to officially get it leaglized so why start a new thread?
What's going on seriously reminds me of the bible tale of the dance around the golden calv. Much to the sense of 'if it is golden it must be good' *LOL*
I respect anybody's opinion and I thank Eurobreederstour for taking the time to give us what I found to be a balanced and honest report of what went on.
Anybody please do what you think is best but don't whine when you have to get used to competing in front of empty showgrounds, not getting any TV coverage etc.etc.
Kareen when i have time and if i can be bothered i will pick your post apart sentence by sentence and explain where you are in my opinion utterly wrong. Right now can i just say you really have no clue about riders in international competition or the general public that come to watch and it's really tiresome to have to re hash the whole anky/sal momentary loss of control thing.
Anybody please do what you think is best but don't whine when you have to get used to competing in front of empty showgrounds, not getting any TV coverage etc.etc
Heck - what is there to 'get used to' about that - you have basically described the general situation at 99.99% of all dressage shows!!!!! And I don't mind one bit. While I would LOVE to expose more people to the joys of dressage, I am no longer certian that dressage show grounds are the place to do that. Too much of what is going on in the warm up requires too much explanation. And what goes on in the show ring is so redundant and simplistic that most people can't bear to watch for very long either. So, WHY are we So bloody worried about attracting an audience for dressage - just which among us is really going to benefit from these hoped for sponsors? Big prize money? Where??? More promotion? WHY?? So, I think we need to get back to our roots and remember dressage is about training - not spectators, and lets have our judging and our governing bodies make decisions based on the best training for the horses, and the riders. If someone wants to come watch, great, but they are NOT supposed to be the deciding factor in what is best for dressage - Are They???
Right now can i just say you really have no clue about riders in international competition or the general public that come to watch and it's really tiresome to have to re hash the whole anky/sal momentary loss of control thing.
Well, let's not rehash the "loss of control" episode. Let's just hash the video I posted of the warm-up (or pre-warm-up) at the Dutch Championships.
As a member of the general public, watching that RK/HF warmup sickens me. This is something I would rather not see. This is so FUNDAMENTALLY INCORRECT, I just cannot see how knowledgable riders/horsemman/dressage people can see anything RIGHT here. Please, pro-RK/HF advocates, please tell me what is RIGHT about this "training/riding".
What do you see when you watch this? Harmony, lightness and a happy, relaxed horse?
No I do NOT agree that rollkur as a technique/tool is painful to watch.
But you say that the rider in this video is not demonstating RK/HF? You seem not to care for the picture it presents, though. Or perhaps you prefer the tender, kind way "they" describe their technique. Doesn't sound so bad then, does it. Quite a different story when viewing the "technique" in action, though.
It can be really painful to watch someone bounce around on their horse's back and mouth, it can be really painful to watch many riders.
Nice try. But I wasn't referring to her bouncing on the mouth/back (but can you really be surprised when the horse is put in that posture). I was referring to the "technique", as you probably know.
I know, it's hard to defend such a practice when really seeing it being used.
It's sad if you think being considered a group of self-centered snobs that is tortureing horses is anyhow normal or desirable or even inevitable. Very sad. No idea where you are showing but I for sure think it's quite senseless to name a show a show if there is no audience and all you are doing is some form of masturb.... *LOL*
I for my part enjoy being part of a sport that is appreciated by the majority of people which I may say is (still...) the case where I live. Also as someone who makes a living with horses you I am looked at with admiration and respect here which I feel will fade away if we don't protect the sport from developing along the lines of figure skating. As a breeder I also find it very important to maintain our market which is difficult if more and more people are moving away from organized riding sports and towards individual tendences. This movement has gone on for a while already and was thoroughly researched by the Ypsos-Study in 2002 already. I don't imply this is caused by what has happened to dressage alone but it certainly is an enormous factor that just many people are appalled by it.