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  1. #1
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    Default Silverwood Farm/Art Deco?

    I passed a sign for "Silverwood Farm" the other day and thought I would slow down... this is, in fact, the final home of the famous Art Deco -- sire to my own horse and star of the farm's gorgeous website www.silverwoodfarm.com.

    After confirming that this was, in fact, the correct Silverwood I was surprised to see that the outskirts of a facility were very different from what I expected. (Although anything but a gold barn and spotless pastures would probably be below expectation )

    I don't want to make assumptions -- I didn't tour the whole property, I just drove slowly by.

    Has anyone else been a little caught off guard when they have seen the home of their beloved horses parents?
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    I'm not positive, but wasn't that farm almost completely dessimated by a hurricane a couple years ago? Seems like they lost nearly all the structures and insurance didn't pay off much.

    I don't know a lot about the farm, but have always thought they have really nice stallions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flshgordon View Post
    I'm not positive, but wasn't that farm almost completely dessimated by a hurricane a couple years ago? Seems like they lost nearly all the structures and insurance didn't pay off much.

    I don't know a lot about the farm, but have always thought they have really nice stallions.
    They got hit HORRIBLY by a tornado. Massive massive damage to many structures on the property.
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    I wish I had known -- I surely would have done something to help with cleanup, etc.!

    Regardless of his size, I will always have a place in my heart for Art Deco (as my horse's dad and because he brought paints to the warmblood world in my opinion) and more equestrian businesses should have professional websites like Silverwood's.



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    Well as for your question number 2, I would say the owner of the horse probably knows a bit better than some rival trainer that happened to see the horse a couple of years ago.

    What a bitchy post.



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    Her meaning may not have been conveyed in the best of ways, but she is just a fan who was expecting to see more. Silverwood is a breeding farm that used to be a dairy farm and from the bio the Halls have done a lot of work to develop it. Yes there was a tornado but construction was well under way when I was there last year so I hardly believe it still looks like it was just blown through. When I was there it looked like a nice breeding farm where the foals have the much sought after herd environment with the place being all pasture.
    Height is definately a forgivable thing. Everyone's eye is different and when the trainer saw him he probably was not in the same shape he was in when he was three in germany getting his height recorded by the KWPN. We know how the muscle development affects the withers. My mare was every bit 16.1 1/2h when she was 15 and now that she's 21 I bet you she's lost that good 1 1/2 inch and is now a solid 16h.
    One thing's for sure, Hall of Fame is definately 17h. He was massive when I stood next to him.



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    Cool

    Um, it's a breeding farm. And a very nice looking one, at that.

    And yes - oddly enough, even well-kept horses at pasture get <gasp> muddy.

    Moll is right - what a bitchy post!
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    Moho, I guess you don't know it but you are insulting a very reputable breeder. What sort of hustle and bustle were you expecting to see at a breeding farm? It's not like a boarding facility.

    Pretty is as pretty does. Lovely horses have been bred there. Go have another look at the website and look at the horses.

    PS did the trainer measure the horse?



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    I think it's very inappropriate that you apparently entered a property without an appointment, a quick phone call to see if it was okay to look around, or an escort who could have perhaps answered your questions better than people on a bulletin board, many of whom may never have visited the farm in question. If you did enter the property, that in and of itself was questionable; if you did not enter and have a discussion with someone but have posted as you did, it is even more inappropriate.

    You may not have ever run a farm yourself. Things happen: tornados, workers quit or don't show up, emergencies happen that cause one to have to leave a barn quickly, perhaps without the stalls done yet because you might have to take a horse to a clinic to save its life, all kinds of things that can cause disruption of a normal routine or maintenance. This is a working breeding farm--not everyplace is an Iron Spring or a Hilltop and many people who breed very nice horses in perfectly adequate conditions do not have unlimited funds. Some horses do better in a quiet environment than they do in "hustle and bustle".

    Here is a link to the website's (which you say you have reviewed) discussion of the damage from the tornado. This was just two years ago. Be sure actually read everything and to look at all the photos and click on the links to newspaper stories:

    http://www.silverwoodfarm.com/tornado.htm

    If you want a "straight picture", why don't you contact the owner? I agree, the post was "bitchy" to the point of being almost libelous. You suggest that the owner is being dishonest about the height of a retired horse? What would motivate you to post these kinds of things on a public bulletin board?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moll View Post
    What a bitchy post.
    Wow...for sure...I winced reading this one.

    As for muddy horses...well come to my farm and I'll show you some hairy and dirty ones too. Breeding farms usually have a lot more to do that groom broodmares that live outside.

    I have seen Art Deco up close some years ago and he gave me the impression of being well over 16 hands...but who gives a crap if he isn't? I mean honest to GOD...what is the stupid fixation people have with 16 hands? He is a lovely stallion and coming on her and saying stuff like that..true or not...is totally uncalled for.



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    Thumbs down

    Hmm is this the same trainer who told you that your horse (by Art Deco?) would not make it to 3rd level. Perhaps she has a problem with SW's success.

    Honestly your post reads like you think you are exposing a fraud and that you think the website is a sham. I wish people would not post this type of garbage without doing some research.

    If Silverwood was not so wellknown and respected this type of thing could negatively affect business.

    PS Go over to the sporthorse breeding forum and search Silverwood.
    Here's a thread on Sempatico (not too shabby):
    http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum...ght=silverwood

    Damage caused by tornado

    http://www.silverwoodfarm.com/tornado.htm
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    We've bred to Art Deco several times - our first two geldings out of a 16.1H TB mare were 17.2 and 17H. A mare is 16.2 - which is just fine with me - she produced two champion premium foals - one of which is a mare (16.3H) who went premium mare this year and her first foal was premium and he will by 17H. Size isn't everything but the quality we've had is excellent.

    As far as muddy horses - well breeding farms ...I own one have muddy horses. We try our darndest to keep these mares and youngsters out as much as possible so they are healthy and happy.

    Liz faced destruction on her farm that would probably have driven many people out of the business forever. If the OP thinks money grows on trees to rebuild when insurance doesn't cover everything - it isn't true.

    I must also say - I've been breeding for 20 years now - as far as quality of service from stallion owners - Silverwood is at the top of the list for that. And even into his later years - Art Deco still has TREMENDOUS semen - all of my Vets commented on it.

    I've seen more than a few fancy pants farms with all the carved signs, fancy arenas, etc. that can't collect a stallion without a few days notice and send you crap when they do.

    Also - our farm is a closed breeding farm FOR A REASON. Anyone coming in without us knowing about it ahead of time would be asked to LEAVE. Call and make an appointment if you want to look at horses including stallions - I'm sure you have a cell phone and could have obtained the number from information. We don't want people coming in who could bring something from another farm. As far as "hustle & bustle" - breeding farms aren't like boarding facilities. We are usually up at 5:30 AM and do alot of work before most people have their morning coffee. Training of young horses is usually one at a time in the arena. Barns with stallions usually collect in the late afternoons. And most breeding facilities I know don't have many employees - we do about 3 people's work ourselves.
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    The OP didn't say she had toured the farm, merely slowed down and looked as she was driving by.

    However, if the post is a genuine question, and not meant to be negative, I do have a suggestion:

    Contact them personally.
    Offer your assistance to help in any way they may need to help recover from a tornado hitting the farm.
    Mention you have an Art Deco baby (such a beautiful stallion, have a mare by him at our barn).
    Maybe if you are helpful, they will let you meet the horse?
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    The fact that she only slowed down makes it even more irresponsible to make this claim:

    I was oblivious that the barn was not world-class/not like the website
    If the OP was sincere she could have found out much more about the place by looking at the website. There is an ariel photograph and also information about the tornado damage. I thought the OP was supposed to be familiar with the website?

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    Quote Originally Posted by egontoast View Post
    The fact that she only slowed down makes it even more irresponsible to make this claim:



    If the OP was sincere she could have found out much more about the place by looking at the website. There is an ariel photograph and also information about the tornado damage. I thought the OP was supposed to be familiar with the website?

    . Weird.
    Whole heartedly agree. But didn't want to have someone accused of trespassing either
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    I apologize if I seemed bitchy... I love my Art Deco baby and Silverwood Farm's website and bloodlines are what we need in this sport.

    I was simply expressing my surprise when I drove past the facilities -- I have, of course, dreamed of one day visiting the home of that world-class bloodline and amazing website... perhaps anything less than a golden barn would have done , but you have to admit (if you have seen the website/Art Deco and then see the barn, it is a little different).

    Also, I am not trying to suggest the owners are lying, I was only seeing what people's thoughts were (that had seen Art Deco themselves) about his size... I only asked because my horse is 16h and came out of a 17h mare.



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    No, we don't "have to admit" anything.

    You still don't get it.

    A world class barn does not relate to the physical structure but to quality of the horses and care given to them.

    Besides, some people actually prefer the older barns . Sadly, soon all the great old barns will be gone.



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    (if you have seen the website/Art Deco and then see the barn, it is a little different
    No, because the photos are on the website. You are not making sense.



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    Default there's more than the parents in the height

    My Art Deco mare, that I dearly love, is smaller than both her parents. She has a small maternal granddam that we think is her influence. She is a chestnut daughter of a bay mare & Art Deco (black & white pinto) so she is just chock full of recessive genes.

    Her full brother is 16.1, she is 15.2. Go figure.

    Agree with the other responders to the OP. Make an appointment to see the stallions with the owner.

    BTW, a friend once measured a number of stallions in quarantine and the heights varied an inch or more (usually less) than their recorded heights - some were spot on, some were lower. THere is variance in where the measurer holds the stick that can give/take height as well as how the horse is feeling - they are usually 'up' at the inspections. It is not all a plot on the part of the stallion owners.
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    1. Art Deco is NOT small - I have seen him many times in the flesh. Some of his offspring are - I think Liz said it's mostly chestnut mares - which I and one of the other posters have. However, they make up for it in excellence. Mine has had 4 foals, all Premiums - one of them the top scoring colt in the country in his year of inspection!!

    2. It is a breeding farm - as noted - NOT a show barn or a boarding barn - the priorities are different. She has safe and secure stalls for stallions - 6 of them!!!!! And lots of pasture and paddocks for mares and foals.

    3. She is one of the nicest and most responsive stallion owners to work with that there is in the business and will do almost anything to ensure that you get a foal from a breeding to one of her stallions.

    4. She holds 3 inspections there every year, ISR, the GOV and RPSI - a tremendous amount of work goes into hosting an inspection and she does 3 of them!! She is also one of the few inspections that takes stallions and has the facilities to have them there safely.

    5. The house is rundown????? HUH????? It's a beautiful old farmhouse that they have had to almost gut and rebuild and it's gorgeous, with prize winning flower gardens. Maybe you think it looks rundown because they've put up a huge development almost in her side yard with those 'pretty' but quickly thrown up new houses with pretty lawns and it (to you) may look run down in comparison.

    6. The indoor was cut in half and the whole front half of it blown all over the county by a tornado. So were most of her fences and a couple of run-in sheds. Her horse trailer was crushed. So was the mobile that her MIL lives in. Part of the roof on the house was severely damaged. Huge, gorgeous, old trees on the property came down all over everything. It's been a tremendous amount of work righting everything again - especially with a not helpful insurance company.

    7. Your trainer sounds like pure sour grapes.

    8. Your post was incredibly, amazingly, shockingly bitchy!!!
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