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  1. #1
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    Default Neighbors from hell...continued.

    This will be long. But I have to rant someplace, right?
    Ahh yes, we all thought the saga was finished, didn't we?

    But no. Because that would make my life too easy.

    I'm 19 years old, and really, up until now, thought I was patient and understanding. Really...I was even sure I was a sweetheart at some point.

    I believe now the neighbors think I am possessed.

    The horses are moving in on Saturday. If you read my last post, you can tell that I've had ... epidsodes with my neighbor's children, and the neighbors in general.

    I've been getting more and more frustrated. Their dog (who is a big German Shepard x Lab) insists on running over on to our property. The owners admit that this dog loves to chase horses. I said this was not acceptable. Not only do I not want my horses (1 yearling, 1 2 year old and one 9 year old) running around trying to get away from the dog, it's bloody rude to have this dog on my property. On top of that, 3 of my kitties are coming. They have just as much right to live happily as the horses do. I did not move out to an acreage to enjoy THEIR dog. If I want a dog on my property, I'll get my own. Anyways, I TOLD the neighbors at least 3 times that they will have to get the dog off my property-I don't care how. Restrain him, teach him, whatever. My 2 year old WILL kill him if he gets the chance. Has anything changed? Nope. So I got a copy of my bylaw - stating that dogs are not allowed on properties other then their own and if they chase livestock, the owners can be fined up to $2500 and marched over to discuss the groundrules that I expect to be followed from their spawn *coughs* loverly children.

    Showed them the bylaw. They told me that they would work on getting Ginger to behave and stay on their property. Good, one problem "solved" (although we will see, won't we?) Next, I mentioned that the horses were coming in on Saturday. I expressed my concern of having the kids (age 8 and 10...both involved in Pony Club) around the horses without supervision. The woman was all like "Oh, Jimmy will be heartbroken. He had told all his friends that he would help you break your 2 year old for you." Mhmmm...yes. Won't even got there. I told her that I did not want to see the kids on the property whatsoever unless they were invited and accompanied by me. Woman was all like "We are planning on feeding them. If they come to the fence, we WILL give them something to eat." (was I getting scared by this...err, woman who insisted that she had the RIGHT to feed my horses? YES) I told her quite bluntly "I'm sorry, that's not acceptable. I have two young horses who can be unpredictable at times, they aren't too sure of things right now, and I also prefer to moniter what they are allowed to eat. Please try to understand. If your kids want to come over sometime, I'll arrange for them to pet the horses and feed them under my supervision" Woman: "I think you are being selfish. We are your neighbors. The kids won't hurt the horses. Jimmy is a top notch equestrian for his age (( really, how GOOD can you be after 2 months of Pony Club and the mentality to believe you can break my 2 year old warmblood who has never seen a saddle in his life?)) and you should be grateful that we are willing to pet and feed your horses."

    Well that finished it. I swear, I wonder if I could make a case for justifiable homicide?

    Me: "LADY. Understand something. These are MY horses on MY property. Your kids are welcome to come see them under supervision, just as your dog can come over if someone is with him. If I see either you, your dog, or the kids on the property without being invited, I WILL press charges."

    Truly wonder if she understood. I was talking through my teeth the entire time.

    Way to go me. 3 months, and I've alienated my neighbors Reassures me to know that the rest of the community think these people are dingbats, but still...

    *takes a deep breath*
    In my opinion, a horse is the animal to have. 1300 pounds of raw muscle, power, grace, and sweat between your legs - it's something you just can't get from a pet hamster.



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    I have this sinking feeling that this won't be enough either. These people are ridiculous. Invest in a perimeter fence with no-climb mesh and be nasty to the spawn. You don't need to explain to anyone why they can or cannot do as they please with your horses.
    Good luck...you're gonna need it!



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    Two Suggestions: HOT wire and video CCT. A picture may be worth a thousand words, but a video is priceless.
    <>< Sorrow Looks Back. Worry Looks Around. Faith Looks Up! -- "When they try to tell you these are your Golden years, don't believe 'em.... It's rust."



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    I feel ya. I have no answers, but I can share your misery! Dealt with my neighbors as well. I STILL have the occasional problem of people driving up the driveway to feed rotten apples to the horses. I'm usually quite hateful, sarcastic, and in general a complete bitch when I approach them. They usually respond something astounding like I should be so grateful these people arrived onto my farm, and that I should kiss the ring or something. Un-flipping-believeable! I usually point toward the end of the driveway and tell them if they know what's best for them, to plant their offspring in that car/truck/whatever, and GTF off the farm. Friendly reminders that they are on private property seems to do nothing more than instill their belief they are special and can do whatever they damn well please.



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    Wow, what a bunch of idiots!! I am sorry you have to deal with such ignorant and stubborn people as neighbors

    Can you get a recording of gunshots and play it when kids or dog comes over? Maybe the parents will think you are shooting at them and keep the "expert equestrian" kids and the undisciplined dog home. If they call the police, you have no guns, so how could they have heard gunfire? Must have been hearing things!

    Hotwire would be a good investment too.



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    Not that I think it will actually help, but get some no trespassing signs and post them in full view of the property.

    Also I don't know whereabouts you are but in NJ we have this law about posting certain signs in all barns/riding rings etc stating that riding is dangerous and it's a risk people take, they can't sue you, etc. (information on it here - http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stusnjst5_15_1.htm) If your state has something of this sort GET the signs and post them where these people can see - that way if one of them (heaven forbid) manages to get hurt on your property you can say that you had fair warning and your ass is covered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowpony
    Wow, what a bunch of idiots!! I am sorry you have to deal with such ignorant and stubborn people as neighbors

    Can you get a recording of gunshots and play it when kids or dog comes over? Maybe the parents will think you are shooting at them and keep the "expert equestrian" kids and the undisciplined dog home. If they call the police, you have no guns, so how could they have heard gunfire? Must have been hearing things!

    Hotwire would be a good investment too.
    Along with a Doberman...



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    Default houston we have a problem.

    Tropical storm,

    Before i commented i read the previous posts and thread you had started and i must say i commend you for being as calm as you were. I would have reacted the same way and would have been in total shock. I think you did your part in making it VERY clear to those kids you don't want them near your barn. Also you did the right thing in making sure you told their parents. But what puzzles me most of all is how they have yet to do something. And you're right, 2 months in pony club doesn't do anything (i shouldn't say that. What i meant was they don't learn alot). They would know not to touch the horses if they knew alot about horses , plus they would realize their son who's been riding for 2 months can't handle a 2 year old warmblood. I think talking to their trainer might help out alot.

    The other thing that bugs me is they just walk on your property freely. This can be a big deal if they get hurt while trespassing...yes they are trespassing. I just think their mother is not the smartest person either for not being sympathetic towards your situation. You obviously bought the land to have your horses under your care and not other peoples care. As horrible as this sounds if their dog gets hurt it really isn't your fault. I mean afterall you warned them that the horses can be dangerous. I hope this helps?
    -Desmond

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regalmeans
    Not that I think it will actually help, but get some no trespassing signs and post them in full view of the property.

    Also I don't know whereabouts you are but in NJ we have this law about posting certain signs in all barns/riding rings etc stating that riding is dangerous and it's a risk people take, they can't sue you, etc. (information on it here - http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stusnjst5_15_1.htm) If your state has something of this sort GET the signs and post them where these people can see - that way if one of them (heaven forbid) manages to get hurt on your property you can say that you had fair warning and your ass is covered.
    Not trying to argue, but I have "No Trespassing" signs. They are unenforceable I was told. I'm in GA, if that makes a diff.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Appassionato
    Not trying to argue, but I have "No Trespassing" signs. They are unenforceable I was told. I'm in GA, if that makes a diff.
    They're not. But I'm going to guess her neighbors don't know that...

    The other signs I mentioned ARE legally enforcable though... I know this because my Trainer just won a lawsuit over it - a Client of Trainer's owns a farm where Idiot rode. Idiot leased a horse. Client had those signs EVERYWHERE AND had made said Idiot sign forms releasing Client, her family and barn staff, as well as Trainer and the Horse Owner. Idiot fell off on day and got hurt and proceeded to take Client, Trainer and Horse Owner to court. BUT because Client had the signs posted and the signed release forms, all saying that riding was inherrrently dangerous, etc etc, they won and Idiot was unsuccessful in her lawsuit.
    Sarah ( & Regal)

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    My advice would be to document everything - every conversation, who was there, what was said, dates/times, etc.

    I like the idea of no trespassing signs too, but maybe take it to the next level and have signs such as "enter at your own risk", or something to that effect. Most barns I've been at have had "Ride at your own risk" signs posted and I was led to understand that they were for insurance/liability reasons.

    What about making them sign some sort of waiver that should they trespass and any resulting injury occur, you are not to be held responsible? (Might be a challenge to actually get them to sign it, though) Or lamiate a document and post it.

    As suggested above, good ol' video and surveillance equipment never hurt.

    (Ah, just saw Regalmeans' post about the other types of signs, so I guess I second that idea!)



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    hotwire and friends on the police department Thats what we used. That and the fact that my entire family (over 21) has concealed weapons permits. God that makes people scared when you go over and they catch a glimpse



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    I would post No Trespassing and the equine liabilty signs ON THE INSIDE of the fence every so many feet on the fencelines accessible to them. I say on the inside so they are on your side and not theirs. WHo cares if they are enforceable or not? If the little darlings come over and get their little heads bashed in, at least you can say you tried. And put a chain and lock on every single gate, and the hot wire too while your'e at it. And keep the friggin locks locked!
    Then I would take pictures of the whole thing, and write a very professional detailed letter summarizing your discussion with the mom and what the procedures are to be in order for horsey visits. Then I would have the letter witnessed and notarized, and send that to her certified mail return reciept requested and put in copies of the photos of your fence with it's pretty new signs for good measure. Make sure and keep copies for your records, and keep the receipt when you get it back.
    By doing all of this and documenting it, you are showing good faith that you have tried to secure your property and tried to convey to the neighbors not to enter or approach your horses without your permission. It may or may not be worth anything, but god forbid you go to a jury trial when one of those kids gets his face remodeled at least you have something to show.
    If they do come on your property without permission and you catch them, I would call the police. In the department I work for, we write what is called a Trespass Warning then if they are caught back there again they go to jail. granted that is probably not warranted here, but a visit from an officer would spook the kids and maybe get mom's attention that you aren't playing around.
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    Default from an abundance of caution

    First of all, how horrible to have to be stressed out about your home farm environment. I feel for you.

    In addition to additional perimeter fencing with mesh - which should keep all of these people out, I would probably send a letter - certified with signature confirmation - so you have it for your records. In this letter, I would do the following:

    1) outline events as they have unfolded to date, specifically that in spite of your repeated requests, they continue to let the dog run loose, they access your property without your knowledge or permission and they tamper with and feed your horses against your express wishes.

    2) advise them that since they do this against your express permission that going forward you will consider any such actions on their part to be intentionally malicious and designed to cause harm to you and your property.

    3) further tell them that these actions deny you peaceful enjoyment of your home and that you will pursue all legal remedies to retain your rights.

    4) copy an attorney on the letter and indicate this with a cc on the bottom so they know you have done so.

    This is taking a strong stance, and should likely be very off-putting to them, but sometimes people like this need a harsh wake-up to understand how serious this is. My guess is that if they seek legal advice, they will be told to stay away.

    As for upsetting the neighbors, I wouldn't worry. Who wants to be friends with people like this? Don't worry about what they think - worry about yourself - this is obviously giving you stress that you don't deserve or need.

    You are 100% in the right here.....be strong



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    A moat. With alagotors. Followed No-Climb fence with hot razor wire. Behind that is the dog that if you want on your property it will be. You are standing behind him, you have forgotten the shot gun recordings and just have the shot gun. Shoot to kill.

    I am sooo bored.

    19 and own property? Can I bow down to you?

    Maybe just get the police involved now. You are concerned because they are reckless parents (I'd say that, they should be looking out for their Spawns' well being) and you don't want the spawn to be injured. Hopefully they will come out and give them a good talking too.



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    OMG, I just got stressed reading this.

    Would a certified letter from a lawyer regarding property boundaries be a good idea? AFTER you call their trainer/pony club manager and make things very, very clear.

    As much as it sucks to have to line your property with huge fences and prickly stuff, I'm all for thorny bushes and electrical tape. And a big dog. Yech.

    Start filing police reports the second you see them, post No Trespassing signs EVERYWHERE, etc, etc.

    I'm sorry you have to go through this.



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    I think you need to have a contract taken out on these people. Seriously.
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    Move to Alaska. Up here it is quite literally legal to shoot to kill trespassers. No warning required.
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    I don't know how the fence is set up, but can your horses put their heads over the fence on their side? My point being, can the people be on their land and still reach the horses? I might set up a double fence or one high enough so the horses couldn't be petted/fed over the fence without them trespassing.

    I agree with the others who said to start documenting. This is not going to end. The dog will get out and either hurt your horses or get hurt/killed by your horses. I'd also invest in a hot shot to discipline the kids, because even though these people speak English, I don't think they understand it.

    Good luck, sounds like you have yourself a bag of fruitloops, and not of the breakfast variety...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Amchara

    19 and own property? Can I bow down to you?
    .
    I wish
    I have the property to myself about 3 days a week when parents are on business trips. I do pay 1/4 of the mortgage though and hopefully in about 5 years it should be payid down enough that I can pay for it all and parents can move to a condo

    And yes, the fence unfortunately boarders their land and the horses CAN extend their heads. I'd love to cut down and make it double fencin on that side but we are only on 3.7 acres...the pasture is is only about 2.5 acres...it's pretty small as it is

    I'm just so frustrated. Like am I not speaking english or are people truly that rude?!
    In my opinion, a horse is the animal to have. 1300 pounds of raw muscle, power, grace, and sweat between your legs - it's something you just can't get from a pet hamster.



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