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    I remember my Mother washing any plastic bags and reusing them as they weren't as common as they are today. Funny in that I do the same thing with my Ziploc freezer bags until they don't close anymore or they get holes in them.
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    My Mum washed plastic bags, too! Then hung them on the spout to dry. Doesn't sound too hygienic to me, but we were never sick. But we are speeding up our disposable stuff - Swiffers, razors, etc., and using more chemicals, to the detriment of the planet faster and faster. My Mum called herself 'thrifty', and I was a Girl Guide, too.
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    In California, if recycling means putting your stuff in the recycle bin or taking it to recycling centers, there is a good chance it ends up in the landfill anyway. Volumes of recyclable material exceeds the facilities' capacity and demand for recycled material.
    They still charge CRV deposit though. Ever try to get that back? It's pretty difficult to get the full amount of your deposit returned.
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    ...or it gets shipped to China to be recycled for the metals under hazardous chemical conditions....polluting streams with run-off and injuring the workers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twelvegates View Post
    I think we have a lot to learn from older generations -- whether or not it was done in the name of environmentalism, it was done for good reason. I had an aunt who composted everything she could, recycled like a maniac, line dried her clothing all of the time, and reused her plastic bags until they wore out. We seem to live in a disposable society'
    It's not the same, though. "Older generations" often meant the women were full-time homemakers. Time is worth more $$ now.

    I could do everything like the "older generations" did (right from growing our own food/canning/preserving, making my own soap, mending clothing, cooking everything from scratch etc), but it's worth a lot more $$ for me to go to the office 5 days/week. Even if I spend extra $ tossing the clothes in the dryer from time to time, or picking up a ready-made meal, I still come out ahead.

    I do a lot of these things, because I enjoy them, when i have the luxury of time. I can completely understand how people with full time jobs and kids take the disposable/quick & easy shortcuts, and I don't fault them for it.
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    There is a vast difference between our own personal environmental consciousness and that which is thrust upon us. I endeavour to reduce, re-use and recycle and consider myself to be an environmentally conscious person. But we have little control over the big industries and government. Our Prime minister is intent on destroying our environment in the interest of economic boom. In recent years he slashed our national Fisheries Act to a version so watered down that big industries are having a free for all. He has likened the Kyoto accord to a "socialist scheme" that is a job killing, economy-destroying campaign. Meanwhile, we continue to have environmental disasters and no recourse.



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    People whine about "what are we doing to our planet!", but don't do the first step, quit driving like we do.
    Transportation and all the industries that support that, today, are easily 1/4+ of the pollution and carbon footprint of all we do.
    Much of the driving we do is not necessary, is a luxury.
    That luxury for many today is part of why our standard of living is higher where we have such and enhances the quality of our lives.
    Hard to consider changing that, for those that have such luxury.

    We consider each and one transportation methods we use necessary, for OUR needs, so that is a tough one to ask people to make plans and quit driving so much.
    We have millions of people and resources invested in industries dependent on everyone going places as much as they can, for good reason and no reason, if by driving/flying/boating/you name it, any time they want, anywhere they want.

    This topic has no easy questions, no easy answers.



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    Quote Originally Posted by nhwr View Post
    In California, if recycling means putting your stuff in the recycle bin or taking it to recycling centers, there is a good chance it ends up in the landfill anyway. Volumes of recyclable material exceeds the facilities' capacity and demand for recycled material.
    They still charge CRV deposit though. Ever try to get that back? It's pretty difficult to get the full amount of your deposit returned.
    Exactly, DH suspects that the dump where we take our garbage and recycleables does exactly this.. how sad.

    And you have to consider if not using appliances is really environmentally friendlier than using them... Using a Dishwasher for example vs. hand-washing.
    I run the DW twice a week and it uses far less water than doing them by hand does.
    My new clothes washer uses far less water AND it spins the snot out of those clothes so that I use about 1/3 the dryer time for things I must dry in the machine. I do hang dry many items, but inside, since I have some serious allergies, and once again here I sit nursing another sinus infection thanks to our AC pooping out and our having to have the windows open at night....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela Freda View Post
    Exactly, DH suspects that the dump where we take our garbage and recycleables does exactly this.. how sad.

    And you have to consider if not using appliances is really environmentally friendlier than using them... Using a Dishwasher for example vs. hand-washing.
    I run the DW twice a week and it uses far less water than doing them by hand does.
    My new clothes washer uses far less water AND it spins the snot out of those clothes so that I use about 1/3 the dryer time for things I must dry in the machine. I do hang dry many items, but inside, since I have some serious allergies, and once again here I sit nursing another sinus infection thanks to our AC pooping out and our having to have the windows open at night....
    If you have allergies you're probably better off putting all the clothes in the dryer. That's a lot of extra humidity in the house which can cause mold, mildew, etc. Unless you're also running a dehumidifier... which probably negates the energy savings of not using the clothes dryer!
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    Anybody remember the American Indian with the teardrop? I guess it would have been in the mid 70's.

    In some ways things have improved a little. Litter used to be very commonplace, and you were very careful walking on a beach in bare feet lest your foot get sliced open by the ever popular pull tabs from beer and soda.


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    The SINGLE BIGGEST THING we can all do for the planet is also going to be the most unpopular:

    QUIT BUYING STUFF.

    That's right! Wear your clothes until they fall apart. That'll stem the tide of container-ships from China. Drive your 10-year-old car into the ground. Stay in the same house until you die, with the same rugs and furnishings and . . .

    DO WITHOUT!

    That's right; think HARD about what you NEED as opposed to what you WANT. You don't NEED cosmetics, deodorants, shaving cream, shampoo & conditioner. A bar of soap works just as well, imagine the savings. You don't NEED alcohol, cigarettes, dinners out, vacation travel, for that matter cable or even the internet except for business use. Since you don't need Amazon, E-Bay, SmartPak or Dover you won't need UPS, USPS, or FedEx either and they can all park their fleets of planes and trucks. You don't need Netflix or YouTube. The radio is still free, plenty of news, sports and weather on there!

    CONSUME LESS!

    Ever try eating only what you NEED to eat as opposed to what you WANT to eat?
    Might be a really eye-opening exercise for lots of us! Can you live without air conditioning? Can you keep your thermostat in winter set at 65 degrees? Can you telecommute or work from home instead of that commute to a building that must also be lit, heated, maintained and insured? Can you go without "convenience" foods and devices and return to living like your great-grandparents considered "normal?"

    If so, you're doing EVERYTHING YOU CAN for "the environment." Whether this matters to the Great Game or not, or just in that theoretical "if a butterfly sneezes in Africa" way, who knows? You will NEVER see any public authority recommending ANY of this, of course, because we live in a "consumer" economy.

    But there it is . . .

    Seriously, as a strictly economic exercise try keeping a ledger for one month and posting ALL expenditures; have 2 columns: Mandatory, such as the mortgage/rent and light bill, and Extras like Starbucks and clothes shopping.
    The results may knock you off your chair.


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    Quote Originally Posted by saultgirl View Post
    If you have allergies you're probably better off putting all the clothes in the dryer. That's a lot of extra humidity in the house which can cause mold, mildew, etc. Unless you're also running a dehumidifier... which probably negates the energy savings of not using the clothes dryer!
    We have a forced hot air heating system... so it's always a mite dry in the house, and in winter moreso... so some wet clothes drying in the bedroom is always a plus esp. for my dried out sinuses.
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    Talk all you want, lecture all you want, practice what you preach - but without the political will to balance development with environment on a world wide basis, we will continue down this path.
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    Was watching one of the home networks and caught an episode of love it or list it. The clients were an environmentally concerned couple. They hated natural stone countertops....it scarred the earth! ( oh the drama......). And then took exception to some new flooring in one house, their answer? Dig it up and replace immediately with a better environmental choice.....how in the world does replacing an already purchased and installed floor save the earth. Bunch of bozos. I had to turn off the tv.

    I'm all for responsible choices, but the drama and absolute head up the posterior stuff harms the cause. We all need to make better choices, but think it through. Some of the stuff you think is helping, is just some fad someone is selling you on. Green entrepreneurs are making a killing on the nuts, and laughing all the way to the bank.

    And I like my granite countertops.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jr View Post
    Was watching one of the home networks and caught an episode of love it or list it. The clients were an environmentally concerned couple. They hated natural stone countertops....it scarred the earth! ( oh the drama......). And then took exception to some new flooring in one house, their answer? Dig it up and replace immediately with a better environmental choice.....how in the world does replacing an already purchased and installed floor save the earth. Bunch of bozos. I had to turn off the tv.

    I'm all for responsible choices, but the drama and absolute head up the posterior stuff harms the cause. We all need to make better choices, but think it through. Some of the stuff you think is helping, is just some fad someone is selling you on. Green entrepreneurs are making a killing on the nuts, and laughing all the way to the bank.

    And I like my granite countertops.
    Touching on who is profiting from scaremongering and myths about what we should and should not do.
    What some are doing now, those non-profits that live of donations by the gullible public, is to blame other that fits their agendas better for "what are we doing to our planet!".

    The latest is some ecology and animal rights extremists non-profits are closing ranks waging a war against animal proteins.
    They are using all kinds of bad science to try to convince people that we should all become vegans to "save the planet and please donate to us so we can keep getting richer", as they keep pushing agendas with that message:

    http://www.cattlenetwork.com/editori...270203561.html

    I know, some of those extremists are posters here and will object strongly to this, but it is on topic and appropriate here.
    That is hard to deny, when those groups are using the "save the planet" as the current donation drive cause of the moment.

    We need to realize that, first, as humans, we have as much right to do what our evolution helped us achieve, to use whatever resources we have learned to use and that is OK, we too are of this planet.

    Now, when it comes to MIS-use, then yes, that we don't want, neither we want to be wasteful of any resources.
    We need to keep working to be as efficient and good caretakers as we can manage.
    It is a given that should be considered, while realizing that it is OK for us humans to make use of the resources at hand.

    What is MIS-use?

    There is where we should be sensible, not follow extremists of any stripe with agendas of their own, as the above mentioned vegans ones, not without giving their claims a second and third thought.
    Maybe those extremists are part of the problem, living and using resources to complain and further their agendas, resources that may be better used in more productive ways than lining the pockets of those organizations and those that run them?

    Better realize that, if animal rights extremists, under the guise of "saving the planet, no animals in human hands" get their way, HORSES are logically not going to be spared, as the domestic animals they are and the very high carbon footprint they demand, being for many uses a pure luxury, horses no better than a NASCAR race car is to transportation.

    "What have we done to the planet" and so "Saving the planet" are not easy, simple topics to consider.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jr View Post
    Was watching one of the home networks and caught an episode of love it or list it. The clients were an environmentally concerned couple. They hated natural stone countertops....it scarred the earth! ( oh the drama......). And then took exception to some new flooring in one house, their answer? Dig it up and replace immediately with a better environmental choice.....how in the world does replacing an already purchased and installed floor save the earth. Bunch of bozos. I had to turn off the tv.

    I'm all for responsible choices, but the drama and absolute head up the posterior stuff harms the cause. We all need to make better choices, but think it through. Some of the stuff you think is helping, is just some fad someone is selling you on. Green entrepreneurs are making a killing on the nuts, and laughing all the way to the bank.

    And I like my granite countertops.
    LOL and I made a 'killing' of my own, sourcing many of the upgraded materials to finish my house from an architectural salvage place... so while I got granite and marble... it was second hand, so would have hit a landfill anyway, AND was cheaper than new!

    So I agree, these shows that remove, via demolishing, the materials are annoying... but in real life, it sure was a bonus pour moi!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jr View Post
    Was watching one of the home networks and caught an episode of love it or list it. The clients were an environmentally concerned couple. They hated natural stone countertops....it scarred the earth! ( oh the drama......). And then took exception to some new flooring in one house, their answer? Dig it up and replace immediately with a better environmental choice.....how in the world does replacing an already purchased and installed floor save the earth. Bunch of bozos. I had to turn off the tv.
    !! How ridiculous! Clearly, being able to "say" they were saving the planet was a lot more important than what they were doing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela Freda View Post
    LOL and I made a 'killing' of my own, sourcing many of the upgraded materials to finish my house from an architectural salvage place... so while I got granite and marble... it was second hand, so would have hit a landfill anyway, AND was cheaper than new!

    So I agree, these shows that remove, via demolishing, the materials are annoying... but in real life, it sure was a bonus pour moi!
    When I was needing to move, I didn't want to build a house, wanted a barn with a small apartment in it.
    Well, that is not what has any kind of decent resale value around here and many disadvantages as of the hygiene of living so close to the dirt and barn critters, insects, rodents, etc.

    Several here have such houses and they love living there, but tell of the clear disadvantages.
    They admit that it is not where they will want to live for long.
    They wonder who may be interested when they have to sell.
    There is a small pool of those that want to live in a barn.
    So I listened to my betters and built a house, that I don't need, but here, it made the most sense, a house that the next person living here can use.

    Some times, we are wasteful for the present, as we look at the future, right or wrong, that we will have to see.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela Freda View Post
    LOL and I made a 'killing' of my own, sourcing many of the upgraded materials to finish my house from an architectural salvage place... so while I got granite and marble... it was second hand, so would have hit a landfill anyway, AND was cheaper than new!

    So I agree, these shows that remove, via demolishing, the materials are annoying... but in real life, it sure was a bonus pour moi!
    The salvage approach is a great way to go. Friend of mine got the most beautiful old soapstone sink.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxtrot's View Post
    Talk all you want, lecture all you want, practice what you preach - but without the political will to balance development with environment on a world wide basis, we will continue down this path.
    Precisely.


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