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    She's an idiot. The kiddie books must not be selling...she resorts to porn when she's not getting enough attention. I swear there's a pattern to these things.

    But those first few pictures of the horses coming out of the earth (sans Madonna) were very cool.



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    Quote Originally Posted by hundredacres
    She's an idiot. The kiddie books must not be selling...she resorts to porn when she's not getting enough attention. I swear there's a pattern to these things.

    But those first few pictures of the horses coming out of the earth (sans Madonna) were very cool.
    I agree with getting attention. That's what stars do. But where do you see porn? There's dumb suggestive stuff with leather and cigarettes, but porn? She's fully clothed, except for the back shots, and the boobs in No. 11 -- which I might add, hang appropriately for a mom of two and show little more cleavage than one might see at a mall.



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    Default How do you not see the porn???

    Let me ask you this: do you NOT see the STRONG sexual inuenndo implied in these pictures, or miss the fact that these horses are described as "six stallions" (which considering their complete lack of interest in each other in such close proximity of each other I find HIGHLY unlikely considering the normal behavior of stallions when in each others close company) To many people the idea of a "stallion" is often seen as a very sexually powerful image to begin with. So if she isn't trying to put across such strong sexual undertones in these pictures why not "six geldings" or even just "six horses"? No the point is being further driven home by calling them "stallions" The bondage type harnesses and outfits she is wearing are meant to push this point even further as well as the sexually provocitive positions she is seen in.
    Please give me a break here; to claim to not see the "porn" aspect of sexually provocitive photos involving animals of any kind whether horses, dogs or donkeys is just being in denial.
    This is a woman who's based her entire career on being sexually explicit and trying to shock people into paying attention to her. She has a mediocre singing ability but she is very good at doing things that push the envelope and usually in a very cheap and trashy way.
    Let me ask you this; how would you feel about these pictures if they were of your daughter or of you're young enough - your mother?
    Its just one more pathetic attempt at more press and attention in the only way she knows how to get it.
    Toaday she an "avid horsewoman" tomorrow she'll be something else and we'll be graced with a whole new photo shoot with equally distasteful crap that will be a spin-off of her next invented persona.
    This woman has had SO many different "personas" you have to wonder if there's anyone real inside that head of hers at all?



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    Beastiality falls under porn in my book. If it's art, than it is to be interpreted by the viewer (me) and I interpret it to be some sort of wierd sex fantasy that includes her, and horses. It's art, right? I can't be wrong...it's just how I interpret it. These shots are within the soft limits which would be actual porn (but that magazine does have SOME limits I'd suppose). Her book, titled SEX was porn. I bought the book because I worked at a record store back then --and saved it for a day when I'd need extra cash (Gotta love ebay...sold it for $330 a couple years ago, unopened). I'm not a prude...but resorting to such antics seems so, I don't know...immature and *trite*. It was amusing when she was single-ish and 30...it's not even remotely amusing now that she sells childrens books and is a mum.



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    Default disgusting...

    I think the photos smack of domination and bestiality, practices that I find extremely repulsive and sick. I can hardly understand how a mother (despite her past) could possibly pose for such photos and look at herself in the mirror. And to think that another thread about celebs riding stated that it was great to have stars like her (Madonna) bring attention to our sport(s). Personally, I would rather it stay in the shadows than be represented by such common baggage. If only our illustrious Aunt Esther, the doyenne of good taste, would care to comment....



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    And the tickets for her upcoming tour continue to sell at a supersonic rate. The publicity she's getting for this photo shoot continues ... after all, this thread hasn't died yet.
    EDDIE WOULD GO



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    Quote Originally Posted by KateB
    This woman has had SO many different "personas" you have to wonder if there's anyone real inside that head of hers at all?

    Bingo! This is why, try as hard as she might, she just can't act very well in movies or on stage. Everyone supposedly has something 'real' at their kernel, but she seems to have a hard/impossible time accessing her authentic self in order to mine it for it's essential truth. On film and stage, she just comes off FAKE FAKE FAKE and BAD. and not in a tee hee naughty way.



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    Talking thank you for pointing out my inadequate education!

    Quote Originally Posted by Two Simple
    I agree. And it would seem that some folks here are less than adequately educated on feminine sexual photography. I would highly suggest the book Photography at the Dock authored by Abigail Solomon Godeau.
    After many years of post-graduate studies, I finally know what has been missing from my education...classes on "feminine sexual photography" and, perhaps, "the influence of pop culture icons on the declining morality of the Western World"!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Simple
    You call these photos **porn**??? Wow. Haven't watched much porn, have you?? Here's a hint: This doesn't even rate as the softest of soft core porn. Not even close.

    I personally believe that people have a right to showcase their body as they see fit, within the confines of the law. And Madonna is certainly doing that. If I had half the body she does, I would show it off too! It seems like there's an awfully lot of frumpy old ladies on this thread who are jealous and pissed off that somebody in the world just "might" look a little sexier than they do

    And for anyone who feels these animals are being sexually exploited or treated in a sexually inappropriate manner, all you need to do is contact PETA and they'll rush in and save the ponies for you! *laugh* Then you'll feel all better and you can move on to the next problem you can dig up on the internet. You could try focusing on the starving and abused horses at all the rescues. Or you could focus on the abused horses within various disciplines. Surely that would reap more reward than griping about Madonna laying down on a horse wearing what equates to a bathing suit.

    Have you never gone swimming with your horse and worn your bikini? I have. I rode the horse bareback in the lake in my bikini. In fact, I was wearing as few or less clothing than Madonna is wearing in these photos. So was I sexually exploiting and sexually abusing my horse in doing so? Hardly. Why do you people have to overdramatize EVERYTHING?

    This thread reminds me of the chick a few years back who wanted to file a lawsuit against all the dairy farms in the United States for "sexually abusing" cows by inappropriately fondling their utters and teats through the process of milking. ROFLMAO.

    This response has me utterly amazed. First of all there are many levels of "porn" and this would definately fall into them. The very strong sexual undertones in this photo spread implying a sexual connection between a woman and a horse would very definately fall under "beastality fetish photos". Then you have all the whips and leather - this really adds to the S&M aspect of the photos,and the topless shots - all very definately meant to be sexually explicit. Maybe you are used to more hard core blatant pornography but dear this is definately in the same catagory just a bit milder.

    As for those of us that don't like this crap being a "lot of frumpy old ladies" who are "jealous and pissed off that someone in the world just might look a little sexier than they do" Get a grip honey. I'm the last person I would call a frumpy old lady and I promise you the last person I will ever find myself jealous of is Madonna.
    I spent my entire professional life working in the top levels of the music industry (including with your dear Madonna early in my career - it was early in hers too so I saw her operate first hand and as I said before; she repulsed me then just as much as she repulses me now) As for this being a "sophisticated, European style photo spread" - excuse me? I don't think so. This is nothing more than another Madonna shockumentary. My Mother is an award winning fashion editor and she heartily agrees with me. This is nothing more than soft core porn.

    And the last thing I want to mention is that I don't understand your little rant about people calling PETA if they feel the horses were abused during the shoot. I haven't seen anyone saying that any horses were abused just commenting on what trash the photos are. I think you might want to re-read the thread. Also to compare the contents and implied fetish qualities of these photos to swimming with your horse in a bikini is just to naive to even comment on.

    I think its funny that you feel you need to attack the people who find this stuff to be garbage and who have a different opinion of this woman than you do. Hell you don't even know the woman in question just the multitude of personas she's put out through her career. Trust me these weren't meant to be "artistic" they were meant to have "shock value" - period.



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    Madonna is really an interesting person, I would not consider her an equestrian, she is posing on a horse. Can she really ride?



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    I thought the pictures were an interesting comment on the bondage that horses have to endure.



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    Quote Originally Posted by 3dayeventing
    Madonna is really an interesting person, I would not consider her an equestrian, she is posing on a horse. Can she really ride?
    Well she's been having lessons with William Fox-Pitt and has been riding Moon Man, so one would like to assume that she has a reasonable level of competence!



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    Thumbs up Coalforge...

    Quote Originally Posted by coalforge
    Hey, as someone originally from Detroit, I resent that white trash remark! No wait, I'm from Detroit, but I'm not trash, Madonna is..... Okay, now I've got it!
    I think she enjoys pushing people's buttons and she is very good at it, obviously. That being said I also think her "artistic" photos are just porn. I give it 2 thumbs down.

    Isn't Madonna really from Rochester which is not Detroit in any way shape or form? Or is she from Bay City? I can never remember..
    Your right, Bay City!!! OK Bay City White Trash!!! Even better!!!
    "you can only ride the drama llama so hard before it decides to spit in your face." ?Caffeinated.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sannois
    Your right, Bay City!!! OK Bay City White Trash!!! Even better!!!
    I don't know why I so like this thread. Probably because it is in only mildly horse related. Like the "nothing" thread I so loved.

    In any case, the US Supreme Court did, in it's time (with a different cast) define pornography as something sexual (forgive if I don't quote exactly) utterly lacking in any kind of social, artistic or other value. Madonna's photo shoot is arguably whatever, but it's not lacking in any of the above.

    For some, it may be erotic. For others, irrelevant. But I don't think that it's porn -- if that word is to retain any meaning.

    BTW, thanks to someone who pointed out the horse tail hat. I had no idea of what that thing was.

    DZ



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    Okay, I'm finally going to bring myself to post. I do like a couple of the pictures...not the ones where she's smoking in a stall , can we say burn down the barn (now, for acuracy, I realize this was in a sound stage, or something like that) or the weird poses, but I do like the ones that showcase the horses more where they're not in stalls (I know, few and far in between).

    I have to admit that I've always liked and respected Madonna as a career woman. She may not be the world's best singer, and frankly I find myself embarrassed for her in some of the antics that she's pulled off. BUT...look at what she's made of herself. She's known world wide, she's worth millions, ?happily? married, with two beautiful children, in amazing shape, and hugely successful. She is a marketing genius. And frankly, I think you have to respect that.

    As for the pictures - I do think they are very sexually charged. Not necessarily porn, but not something I'd let my 6 year old daughter see. For that matter though, I wouldn't let my daughter see the higher end fashion magazines like Vogue, or Elle either. Alot of the spreads in those magazines are comparable to Madonna's. But, being an ex-model myself, that's basically what the industry is. The only photo shoots that don't sell sex are the department store catalogues like Sears, The Bay, and the like.

    To paraphrase what other posters have said, Madonna is creating buzz with these pictures. Imagine how many magazines are going to sell. By continuing this thread, and continuing to talk about her, you're doing exactly what Madonna wants. Giving her publicity... which fits in well with her upcoming concert and album release.

    And sorry about the too oft used line but.....if you don't like it, don't look.
    "Riding: the art of keeping a horse between yourself and the ground."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Need4speed
    By continuing this thread, and continuing to talk about her, you're doing exactly what Madonna wants. Giving her publicity... which fits in well with her upcoming concert and album release.
    Since I've made such a mighty contribution to continuing this thread, I want to be paid as a publicist...Anyone know Madonnas address so that I can write to her and ask her for money?

    ;-)



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