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    Horrible. Intention does matter. He murdered this child and the full weight of the law should be brought upon him. Or be run over in the street like the dog he is. I do still believe when its accidental, and proven to be such, those parents deserve the mercy this evil man does not.


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    It's not "just a news report." The AJC has reporters who are friends, and close friends, with cops. Ditto the Atlanta tv stations. BTDT. They share info. and they give tips to cops and give them witnesses. And from the gitgo, the Cobb cops were acting like they knew important things that they were slowly leaking to the paper and tv stations.

    Plus, if you've investigated murders for a couple of decades, including child murders, you would know that things have not added up in this case to make it an "accident." Child killers always always always say it was an accident, whether they beat or strangle or whatever the child, because they cannot use self-defense against small kids. They would if they could, as they use it in almost every other case.

    In GA, we don't have to prove motive but jurors want to hear one. So when a blood father says it was an accident, jurors worry that old "how could the father kill his own child?" But if a guy kills a child not his own blood, jurors have no sympathy for him. (As for women, well they sometimes kill their own children in order to keep or get a man down here.)

    Let's see if his wife sticks with him or not. (I once had a case where a woman's boyfriend shot at her and killed her baby that she was holding. She stuck with the boyfriend who was not the baby's father. Fortunately the blood father of the child came to court.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudyandcallie View Post
    I once had a case where a woman's boyfriend shot at her and killed her baby that she was holding. She stuck with the boyfriend
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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudyandcallie View Post
    It's not "just a news report." The AJC has reporters who are friends, and close friends, with cops. Ditto the Atlanta tv stations. BTDT. They share info. and they give tips to cops and give them witnesses. And from the gitgo, the Cobb cops were acting like they knew important things that they were slowly leaking to the paper and tv stations.

    Plus, if you've investigated murders for a couple of decades, including child murders, you would know that things have not added up in this case to make it an "accident." Child killers always always always say it was an accident, whether they beat or strangle or whatever the child, because they cannot use self-defense against small kids. They would if they could, as they use it in almost every other case.

    In GA, we don't have to prove motive but jurors want to hear one. So when a blood father says it was an accident, jurors worry that old "how could the father kill his own child?" But if a guy kills a child not his own blood, jurors have no sympathy for him. (As for women, well they sometimes kill their own children in order to keep or get a man down here.)

    Let's see if his wife sticks with him or not. (I once had a case where a woman's boyfriend shot at her and killed her baby that she was holding. She stuck with the boyfriend who was not the baby's father. Fortunately the blood father of the child came to court.)
    Men and women all over the world have forsaken or attempted to kill their children for "love" - for example this woman.
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    I said from the very beginning that the system isworking here. Investigate and ajudicate. We have had way too many people killing their children here in GA.


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    After reading the new information that has come out about this case, I couldn't hate this horrible man any more if I tried. He took the child out of the car seat for breakfast at Chick-Fil-A, went back out at lunch, opened the drivers door, and tossed something in the car. That means to me that he was checking to see if the poor baby was still alive. The 'finding' the child had been 'forgotten', and pulling into the parking lot was totally a ploy to prove it was an accident. The neighbors and others who were supporting him have now backed off. I think he should be locked in the back of a vehicle, in the middle of summer, and left until he rots. I can't believe someone would do this to a poor, innocent child.
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    Here's a point to ponder:
    He had an "on-site" daycare arrangement. If he was the one responsible for dropping his son off, (and "apparently" had forgotten him in the car)...what are the chances he "forgot" to go get his son from daycare after work? You would think his "routine" would have been to go immediately to grab his son before he left work. So we are to assume for the 2nd time that day, that he completely forgotten his day to day routine?
    I could "possibly" see one lapse in memory, but twice? Hell no! That poor baby


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    His lapse in memory may have been caused by his sexting. I don't think that's a very good defense to use in his forthcoming trial. Turns out the father was sexting 6 women while he was roasting his son in his car in the parking lot. Sexting, including a 16 yr old girl. Compete with pictures of his penis. Can you guess what a Cobb County jury is going to do with that evidence?

    And both husband and wife had been on some website where people advocated living without children. So they both researched how long it takes for kids to die in hot cars; they both researched a site designed for people who didn't want children; and they both took out 2 insurance policies, one for 2000 and one for 27000. You think people won't kill for that small amt? Wrong. The parents were in financial trouble. (One woman from Forsyth County killed 2 different boyfriends over several years for small insurance policies since she didn't have much money, since she was office administrator for the DA up there. And no one caught on till the first victim's family saw where the 2nd victim, both young, died suddenly. The family had kept up withthe woman because they believed she had killed their relative. The family was right.)

    So the cops were totally on the ball from the very beginning when the father had said that his child was choking, although the child was already in rigor mortis and obviously had been dead for hours. He's toast. Now to see if the mother of the child can be indicted. Harder to convict a woman of killing when the guy did the actual hands on dirty work.


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    Holy cr@p CC...... I just cannot fathom this kind of cruelty/evil. There are no words. That poor baby.
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    Well, the father seems to be guilty. I wonder about the mother, whether she's guilty and whether she'll even be arrested. It seems it would be much harder to prove anything against her - the insurance and the internet research look bad, but since she didn't have an active role in the actual murder, it's remotely plausible to say she was honestly just being a conscientious parent, even if her spouse was secretly plotting to kill their child.



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    The rage I feel for this guy is beyond anything I ever thought I could imagine for a complete stranger. Maybe it's because my grandson is only a few months older than this baby was and I see how he lights up when his daddy comes in the house after work.

    The fact that this child probably knew in a sense that his daddy had left him just breaks my heart. I'd kill the heartless bastard if I could and I wouldn't feel one second of remorse. If it turns out the mother was aware of what he was doing I'd like to see her dead as well.

    I'm almost afraid of the way I feel. Almost.


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    Quote Originally Posted by vacation1 View Post
    Well, the father seems to be guilty. I wonder about the mother, whether she's guilty and whether she'll even be arrested. It seems it would be much harder to prove anything against her - the insurance and the internet research look bad, but since she didn't have an active role in the actual murder, it's remotely plausible to say she was honestly just being a conscientious parent, even if her spouse was secretly plotting to kill their child.
    Supposedly mom went to the daycare at 4 and when they told her the baby wasn't there, her first words were "Oh ross probably left him in the car".

    And at his funeral, mom said she was glad her baby would not have to be around for when his grandparents died, or face middle school lunchrooms and not knowing where to sit, etc. Said she would not want him back if given the chance...

    And when left together alone after it happened at the police station she asked her husband "You didn't say too much did you?". And he told her "I dreaded how he would look". Note the tense used.

    He also used to look up videos of people dying/being killed. Then to sext while your baby is dying. I really wonder if he got turned on by death, like some psychopaths. Then I wonder if he could see his car in the parking lot from the office where he worked, and was looking at the car while he sexted pics of his erect member...

    The death penalty is too easy for him and his wife. They should be handcuffed inside a car in the same type of heat and left to roast.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsmom View Post
    Supposedly mom went to the daycare at 4 and when they told her the baby wasn't there, her first words were "Oh ross probably left him in the car".

    And at his funeral, mom said she was glad her baby would not have to be around for when his grandparents died, or face middle school lunchrooms and not knowing where to sit, etc. Said she would not want him back if given the chance...

    And when left together alone after it happened at the police station she asked her husband "You didn't say too much did you?". And he told her "I dreaded how he would look". Note the tense used.

    He also used to look up videos of people dying/being killed. Then to sext while your baby is dying. I really wonder if he got turned on by death, like some psychopaths. Then I wonder if he could see his car in the parking lot from the office where he worked, and was looking at the car while he sexted pics of his erect member...

    The death penalty is too easy for him and his wife. They should be handcuffed inside a car in the same type of heat and left to roast.

    Of course now I wonder if the wife (assuming she was in on the plan and it seems as though she at least knew something) might now turn on her husband. One presumes she wasn't aware he was spending his work hours sexting high schoolers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudyandcallie View Post
    And now, with the head medical examiner, who used to be one of our asst. MEs and handled a few child killing cases for me, doing the autopsy, maybe we'll see when the child died. And how soon after eating his breakfast at chickfila. If he was alive when his father checked on him at lunchtime, the guy needs to die.
    Heartily agree with the last statement. I hadn't thought about stomach contents as a way to fix time of death till you said that - I was thinking how the body being in a hot car would make it impossible to determine using Newton's Law of Cooling. Or is that even how they do things anymore?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Windsor1 View Post
    I think the top of my head just blew off.
    Because it's now proven that parents would use the "Oh I forgot my kid in the car" defense so they can get a slap on the wrist.

    I still think it should be a mandatory manslaughter charge if you forget your child in a car and the child dies. If it's proven that the parent (like this sicko scumbag) did it on purpose, then it's mandatory death penalty.
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    OMG just bizarre..... .

    Quote Originally Posted by jetsmom View Post
    Supposedly mom went to the daycare at 4 and when they told her the baby wasn't there, her first words were "Oh ross probably left him in the car".

    And at his funeral, mom said she was glad her baby would not have to be around for when his grandparents died, or face middle school lunchrooms and not knowing where to sit, etc. Said she would not want him back if given the chance...

    And when left together alone after it happened at the police station she asked her husband "You didn't say too much did you?". And he told her "I dreaded how he would look". Note the tense used.

    He also used to look up videos of people dying/being killed. Then to sext while your baby is dying. I really wonder if he got turned on by death, like some psychopaths. Then I wonder if he could see his car in the parking lot from the office where he worked, and was looking at the car while he sexted pics of his erect member...

    The death penalty is too easy for him and his wife. They should be handcuffed inside a car in the same type of heat and left to roast.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikki^ View Post
    Because it's now proven that parents would use the "Oh I forgot my kid in the car" defense so they can get a slap on the wrist.
    I'm strapping on a helmet!

    (Parents seem guilty as sin here. The insurance policies, the internet search, the accessing the car, the weird remarks. Monsters.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsmom View Post
    Supposedly mom went to the daycare at 4 and when they told her the baby wasn't there, her first words were "Oh ross probably left him in the car".

    And at his funeral, mom said she was glad her baby would not have to be around for when his grandparents died, or face middle school lunchrooms and not knowing where to sit, etc. Said she would not want him back if given the chance...
    Ok, so for argument's sake let's say the mother is also totally guilty and this was a plan hatched by both.

    Do these people just not know how to act? Could they not research how grieving parents behave? I mean really, I don't want him back and it was better to roast to death in a car than to find a group to sit with at school, what the hell would possess someone to say that? Especially if they were guilty, I'd be expecting t hem to act over the top sad if anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikki^ View Post
    Because it's now proven that parents would use the "Oh I forgot my kid in the car" defense so they can get a slap on the wrist.

    I still think it should be a mandatory manslaughter charge if you forget your child in a car and the child dies. If it's proven that the parent (like this sicko scumbag) did it on purpose, then it's mandatory death penalty.
    I must respectfully disagree. Mandatory sentences take away the discretion of the trial judge. Who has seen the witnesses and by the end of the trial knows more about the situation than anybody. I'm all for leaving it up to the professionals.

    Don't worry about this guy getting off easy. It's Georgia. We have a fine celtic tradition in the southeast that informs our jurisprudence. You do remember it was Florida that finally fried Ted?


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    Have to wonder what Ted was thinking ...but thanks Florida.

    Quote Originally Posted by pAin't_Misbehavin' View Post
    I must respectfully disagree. Mandatory sentences take away the discretion of the trial judge. Who has seen the witnesses and by the end of the trial knows more about the situation than anybody. I'm all for leaving it up to the professionals.

    Don't worry about this guy getting off easy. It's Georgia. We have a fine celtic tradition in the southeast that informs our jurisprudence. You do remember it was Florida that finally fried Ted?



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