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  1. #161
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zu Zu View Post

    A flake held under the water hydrant = drenched ```if you have not already.

    This 'not eating/drinking' is a nightmare !

    Just try the soaked flake if you have not ~

    May the eating God please visit Kiwi tonight !

    He only gets soaked hay. I tried just dry hay and it was a little better but not great. I get sick to my to match everytime someone comes down to visit and says "Kiwi isn't right."
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    Default Well `` today I'm trying ?????

    My 'not eating ' "standing in the corner" has gone on for only 8 days ``` two vets say not to be concerned as blood is fine and hydration level is fine

    I'm about to go crazy .. Ok ok well .... crazier !~

    I realize this is not anywhere near your long term struggle

    however

    I think I'm 'loading up my mare' and taking her to the CLUB for the Sunday Brunch and

    screaming "HERE ! PICK SOMETHING ! ANYTHING !" "NOW!"

    ** Honestly I do not know how YOU have continued to 'function' since May 27th !

    HUGE Jingles & AO Kiwi starts to
    "PIG OUT" TODAY !!!



    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwayu View Post
    He only gets soaked hay. I tried just dry hay and it was a little better but not great. I get sick to my to match everytime someone comes down to visit and says "Kiwi isn't right."
    Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zu Zu View Post
    My 'not eating ' "standing in the corner" has gone on for only 8 days ``` two vets say not to be concerned as blood is fine and hydration level is fine

    I'm about to go crazy .. Ok ok well .... crazier !~

    I realize this is not anywhere near your long term struggle

    however

    I think I'm 'loading up my mare' and taking her to the CLUB for the Sunday Brunch and

    screaming "HERE ! PICK SOMETHING ! ANYTHING !" "NOW!"

    ** Honestly I do not know how YOU have continued to 'function' since May 27th !

    HUGE Jingles & AO Kiwi starts to
    "PIG OUT" TODAY !!!
    Ohh no! What's wrong with your mare?? Jingles that she's okay.
    Kristen

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    Oy, 4h sleep on a daily basis?
    Maybe you s/b scoped!

    Seriously, your concern for Kiwi aside, that is not enough sleep for you to function daily.
    I am old, and have gotten to the stage where I sleep less, but I always make up some time with a midday nap. Sometimes just 15min is enough.
    Do you ever make up that deficit?

    I know what you mean about hoping for ulcers.
    But they are treatable & not the End of the World for a horse.
    Here's hoping the next diagnostic news you get is positive.

    Kiwi:
    Stop worrying your Mom!
    As my Granma used to say: "Ess, ess, mein kinder!"

    And ZuZu - Oh no!
    You too?
    I'll queue up another set of chickens for you & your mare

    Chingling like crazy for the non-eaters!
    *friend of bar.ka*RIP all my lovely boys, gone too soon:
    Steppin' Out 1988-2004
    Hey Vern! 1982-2009, Cash's Bay Threat 1994-2009
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    Default Starting Jingles & AO for the Thursday ( tomorrow) scope for KIWI ~


    Starting the 'scope' Jingles & AO for Kiwi ~

    I think tomorrow is Thursday ~


    Hopefully the scope will discover 'a' small easily treatable ulcer ~

    Thank goodness Kiwi has competent medical suppport ~




    Soft hijack `` Thanks for mare Jingles and Chingles `` Kiwayu and 2DogsFarm .... my mare remains not eating meals only pasture ... vets in my area are not only incompetent but also STOOPID .. that's a technical term after two weeks they remain unconcerned (two different Vets) unbelievable IMHO !
    Starting to treat with Ranitidine sp? today IF they can get some in
    Last edited by Zu Zu; Jun. 26, 2014 at 08:57 PM.
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    Tomorrow is Thursday and the scoping is at 3pm. I'm nervous they might find nothing and praying for ulcers.

    Zu Zu have you had her mouth checked?
    Kristen

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    Default yes two different vets .. whenever a vet is here

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwayu View Post
    Tomorrow is Thursday and the scoping is at 3pm. I'm nervous they might find nothing and praying for ulcers.

    Zu Zu have you had her mouth checked?


    Yes, one of the first things checked now by two different vets.


    The struggle continues
    Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "



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    Ahhh, vet is on her way to scope! Can you say nervous?!?!?
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    Hey OP, watermelon is in down here in GA. I bought some for mother and for a vet who used be a barn worker at a barn where I boarded C&C before Cherise went to vet school. (She rescues pot bellied pigs so I figured they might eat the melons I gave her.) Bought some Saturday. Get your boy some watermelon. And remember that the scope won't show ulcers in the hind gut.



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    Kiwi has an emptying problem AND ulcers. Vet couldn't believe how dinner was still sitting in his stomach from last night which was 12+ hours ago. Going to put him on meds. No tumors! Specialist said we have to reset his stomach by pumping everything out, leave it empty for at least 24 hours and hope that the stomach starts expanding and contracting again on its own. Was refluxed just now, has to come back tomorrow again then start emptying meds. Will be starting ulcer meds for the next 2+ months. We also pulled out a sample of the stomach contents to check for abnormal cells.
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    Default OK so NOW you know and NOW the problem will be corrected ~

    OK so NOW you know and NOW the problem will be corrected and KIWI will feel SO much better soon ~

    and adding Kiwi is blessed to have you for an owner

    so you two continue on and follow instructions and by
    FALL everything will be copasectic in NY ~

    please allow yourself some comfort now ....because with searching high and low finally the answer was discovered .... YOU knew he was NQR ~

    Bravo for your persistence and courage !




    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwayu View Post
    Kiwi has an emptying problem AND ulcers. Vet couldn't believe how dinner was still sitting in his stomach from last night which was 12+ hours ago. Going to put him on meds. No tumors! Specialist said we have to reset his stomach by pumping everything out, leave it empty for at least 24 hours and hope that the stomach starts expanding and contracting again on its own. Was refluxed just now, has to come back tomorrow again then start emptying meds. Will be starting ulcer meds for the next 2+ months. We also pulled out a sample of the stomach contents to check for abnormal cells.
    Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "



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    Yes, now i know! I just have to find the Ulcergard at a cheap price. Cheapest I found it was $27.50 a tube, you think anyone has found it cheaper?????

    I was also warned that the "stomach emptying meds" are expensive!!! Ugh.

    Poor Kiwi is headed onto 24-48 hours without food as per the specialist. Sad thing, he really doesn't care...He was allowed to have his tube of ulcergard so at least I know I'm not making his ulcers any worse.
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    I have been following this thread & I am glad for you that you finally at least have some sort of diagnosis. please keep us posted ...

    jingles for the new treatment.



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    As the welcome wagon lady of DGE, I say welcome to this exclusive club. You are member #4. I don't wish this on anyone, but by reporting your vet's findings and treatments you may add information that's helpful to the other members.
    Strength in numbers, misery loves company etc.
    If you have free time (ha ha ha) or nothing better to do, do a search on this forum for gastric impactions. My first post was two pages of one really long, run-on sentence. I'm kinda embarrassed about it now, but maybe you'll find something of value, or, more questions to ask the Vet.

    It's so FRUSTRATING!
    I've learned a lot, still wanting to learn more though. I've tried different things, but mainly it comes down to management. I'm happy to say my good horse is doing okay.

    I imagine your head is reeling right now with unanswered questions.
    Hang in there. My horse, Kubwa, sends Kiwi all the best wishes.



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    Quote Originally Posted by leaf View Post
    As the welcome wagon lady of DGE, I say welcome to this exclusive club. You are member #4. I don't wish this on anyone, but by reporting your vet's findings and treatments you may add information that's helpful to the other members.
    Strength in numbers, misery loves company etc.
    If you have free time (ha ha ha) or nothing better to do, do a search on this forum for gastric impactions. My first post was two pages of one really long, run-on sentence. I'm kinda embarrassed about it now, but maybe you'll find something of value, or, more questions to ask the Vet.

    It's so FRUSTRATING!
    I've learned a lot, still wanting to learn more though. I've tried different things, but mainly it comes down to management. I'm happy to say my good horse is doing okay.

    I imagine your head is reeling right now with unanswered questions.
    Hang in there. My horse, Kubwa, sends Kiwi all the best wishes.
    What does DGE stand for? Your horse has similar problems? How are you managing?
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    OP, so basically it sounds like gastroparesis in horses....delayed stomach emptying. You did treat him for Lyme disease, right?



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    Delayed Gastric Emptying leading to gastric impactions.
    Why? He had some major gastric ulcers, but was that the cause or a result?
    Now the vets think the ulcers were secondary to the DGE. We did lots of gastro gard, now just ranitidine. He'll always be prone to ulcers.
    For my guy the thinking is that it's mechanical not physical. That is he's not getting the electrical signals to drive gastric motility, a neurogenic deal.
    There's a poster here, Fivehorses, whose mare had the same symptoms, and required the same treatment. But her problem was physical, pyloric stenosis. I wish she'd weigh in here, she and I talked a lot about our horses.

    I was told my horse couldn't have grass or hay again, ever. But another vet saw my short grass pasture and said it would be okay, and it was. I went two winters without feeding hay. A horse with DGE can't handle the long stem forage. I fed him hay this winter, small amounts but he handled it-Yay.

    Multiple small meals a day of soaked pelleted feed. Make a mash, pellets are good for this. I fed triple crown lo starch for years,(pssm), but am now feeding alfalfa pellets and orchard grass pellets, soaked to make a mash, with vitamins and minerals and ranitidine, canola oil.
    For 6 months I fed five times a day. You know the feeling, 2-3 hrs of sleep at night. I now feed three times a day, plus short grass pasture.

    Did 6 months of Bethanicol, a motility drug. Can't do that forever as the liver gets used to it and it becomes ineffective.

    Did almost a year of electro-accupunture. I think it helped, increased motility and supposedly helped re-grow nerves to the stomach. Also did over a year of Dr.Jing Tangs chinese herbs, Happy Earth and eqine G.I. I think it helped.
    Don't be doing the accupuncture until you find a cause of the DGE, the accupuncture made Fivehorses' mare worse.

    If you're doing gastric ulcer meds, don't forget the hind gut. Hind gut ulcers are made worse by gastric ulcer meds. My boy showed signs of hind gut the winter of 2012, so he's on Succeed.

    Walk your boy a few times every day. I'll bet you already are. Movement helps motility.

    If you confirm the gastric ulcers and need to do gastro gard, maybe ask the meriel rep to help you out, ask if he/she has any ever-so-slightly expired gg that they can't sell, worth a try.

    LauraK, not one of my mutitude of vets mentioned Lyme. Dang it. Board certified internal medicine vets. I'll be testing soon, thank you. But wait, they did have me do a months worth of doxy for "bacteria in general". Wouldn't that have treated lyme if he had it?

    Still jingling kiwi.


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    Quote Originally Posted by leaf View Post
    I was told my horse couldn't have grass or hay again, ever. But another vet saw my short grass pasture and said it would be okay, and it was. I went two winters without feeding hay. A horse with DGE can't handle the long stem forage. I fed him hay this winter, small amounts but he handled it-Yay.
    Just tossing this idea out there, but if these horses can't handle the long stem forage would feeding alfalfa Chaff (aka chopped up hay) be useful? Or is it the actual how hay is "built" on a cell level that horses can't break down.

    I know its not that common to feed chaff over here as it is in Australia so figured I would toss it out there.

    Jingles for Kiwi!

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    Jingle Jingle



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    I just saw this thread, and have nothing constructive to say except that I'll be praying and sending jingles your way...way to hang in there and hopefully Kiwi will feeling much better soon!! And so will you =) LOL...just think what we'd all do for stress (and re-current huge vet bills) if we didn't have our critters!!! Though I shouldn't comment since when mine started her string of mystery problems I eventually gave up and bought her a farm...whole new set of stresses and bills =)



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