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    Default The rising cost of penis pumps

    Taxpayers paid nearly $175 million for vacuum erection systems (VES), commonly known as “penis pumps,” from 2006 to 2011, according to an inspector general report released on Monday.

    The federal government paid more than double the retail price for VES, the Department of Health and Human Services IG found. Medicare prices for the systems, the report said, “remain grossly excessive compared with the amounts that non-Medicare payers pay.”

    Medicare paid 473,620 VES claims during calendar years 2006 through 2011, according to the IG report.

    Health care policy experts said the revelations in the IG report are a troubling indication of what they describe as wasteful spending in federal health programs.

    “The fact that taxpayers have spent more than a quarter of a billion dollars over the past decade on penis pumps via Medicare is obscene and insulting – even more so when you consider that this is an arena of Medicare expenditures rife with fraud and where the government doesn’t even bother to assess medical necessity,” said Ben Domenech, a senior fellow at the Heartland Institute.

    “This is a perfect example of what happens when government becomes the be all and end all of human existence – a system where everyone has a right to a taxpayer-funded penis pump.”


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    Wait. Someone tell me how a penis pump could possibly be considered medically necessary. You mean to say that men have a RIGHT to have an erection?

    On the other hand, women have to fight with their insurance carriers to get breast reductions when they are carrying around so much weight in their breasts that their backs give out, or fight with carriers to cover a breast reconstruction after a radical mastectomy, etc.
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    No links available for this shocking information?


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    Looks like it's in the American Spectator, the Washington Free Beacon, and a variety of other conservative outlets. Word for word in all of them, I might add, so that it's impossible to tell what the original source is. Does no one understand plagiarism anymore?

    The original OIG report isn't showing up, but presumably a search would bring it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonesta View Post
    Wait. Someone tell me how a penis pump could possibly be considered medically necessary. You mean to say that men have a RIGHT to have an erection?

    On the other hand, women have to fight with their insurance carriers to get breast reductions when they are carrying around so much weight in their breasts that their backs give out, or fight with carriers to cover a breast reconstruction after a radical mastectomy, etc.
    Really? That's your take on that? We are 17 trillion dollars in debt, Medicare is in trouble, we have the new tax of Obamacare, who knows what that will cost? And the government pays double for a "medical" device. I hate to see what they'll be paying for medical marijuana! While your are arguing rights for men's erections, your getting screwed!
    And yet still we vote for more government controlled stuff! Like getting reamed, so when it starts to hurt, we just get out more lube!


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    Only one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JSwan View Post
    There's a punchline in here somewhere.
    It is the government's way of getting the little man to rise up!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonesta View Post
    Wait. Someone tell me how a penis pump could possibly be considered medically necessary. You mean to say that men have a RIGHT to have an erection?
    It's a perfectly valid way to treat erectile dysfunction. It's a lot cheaper than paying for pills (Viagra and such are typically $10+ per pill whereas a penis pump is about $140 as a one-time expense) and using a penis pump can, in some cases, restore natural erectile function.

    As for men having a "right" to a natural erection, I don't know about all that, but I do know that ED can wreak havoc on a man's intimate relationships. It's a factor in about 20% of all divorces. It can have major consequences for the man's self esteem in other areas of his life. God knows women should understand that sort of domino effect from enduring a lifetime of being told that they're not pretty enough, smart enough, or interesting enough. And if a man ends up depressed and divorced--or worse, stressed out to the point of developing heart problems or something--that is a LOT more expensive than prescribing him a $140 penis pump.

    So personally, I have no problem with Medicare covering penis pumps in cases where it makes good medical sense. I'm concerned that they're overpaying for them and I would like to see that corrected, but it's a perfectly valid medical issue and pumps are still cheaper than pills.

    On the other hand, women have to fight with their insurance carriers to get breast reductions when they are carrying around so much weight in their breasts that their backs give out, or fight with carriers to cover a breast reconstruction after a radical mastectomy, etc.
    For the record, I agree with you. That sort of thing should be covered.
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    Agree w/jn4jenny,

    I'll bet the government and insurance companies have spent far in excess of $176 million in ONE year for Viagra, Cialis and the like.

    Why isn't BC covered (it is now with the ACA...or at least they are trying)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wirt View Post
    Really? That's your take on that? We are 17 trillion dollars in debt, Medicare is in trouble, we have the new tax of Obamacare, who knows what that will cost? And the government pays double for a "medical" device. I hate to see what they'll be paying for medical marijuana! While your are arguing rights for men's erections, your getting screwed!
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    It'll be hard, but I think we need to stand firm on avoiding inflated prices on these devices!


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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsmom View Post
    It'll be hard, but I think we need to stand firm on avoiding inflated prices on these devices!
    (I smell a pun in there somewhere...)

    The whole healthcare system is fraught with inflated prices.
    (but yeah, penis pumps and Viagra before BC....nothing new here)
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    Medicare kicks in at 65, correct? Probably no need for BC, and not sure much need for penis pumps for self esteem...


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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinL View Post
    Medicare kicks in at 65, correct? Probably no need for BC, and not sure much need for penis pumps for self esteem...
    Agree with J4J - the one time cost for a pump is much less expensive than the ED pills which can have pretty nasty side effects.

    Why have PP for guys past a certain age - just an observation based on interesting conversations with DH confirmed by medical sources. Starting with puberty males "are aroused" multiple times throughout the day and night. During their teen years - there is often no reason - which can make it extremely embarrassing. For most males, once puberty ends, the erection is a common and "comforting" occurance - after all it is step one in reproduction.
    Very simply - it is what makes them a "man".
    So when males loss this ability it really affects their self-worth. Just like some women are strongly tied to their ability to have children and become severely depressed if they are unable or when they hit menopause.
    Another thought many of those guys are married. When young their wives understood without certain protection they would become pregant. Now their wives are in menopause and are able to enjoy sex without any concern of becoming pregant and the husband is not available. . . .
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    I worked for a state senator for many years. When I had been there about a month, he called me from the senate floor to go look in his drawer for a bill that needed to be brought in. In the drawer was a penis pump. I was just without words. I never asked why it was in his office, never let my mind go to whether it had been used, or by who, etc. I liked my job but that was not the last time the pump came to my attention.
    For those condoning the gubment paying for erections, on the assumption that it is medically/emotionally necessary for men to get it up, how bout asking same gubment to pay for my horse and his care, since not getting to ride all week due to having a JOB affects my relationships,makes me quite bitchy and cuts down on exercise which in turn might make me less healthy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fooler View Post
    Agree with J4J - the one time cost for a pump is much less expensive than the ED pills which can have pretty nasty side effects.

    Why have PP for guys past a certain age - just an observation based on interesting conversations with DH confirmed by medical sources. Starting with puberty males "are aroused" multiple times throughout the day and night. During their teen years - there is often no reason - which can make it extremely embarrassing. For most males, once puberty ends, the erection is a common and "comforting" occurance - after all it is step one in reproduction.
    Very simply - it is what makes them a "man".
    So when males loss this ability it really affects their self-worth. Just like some women are strongly tied to their ability to have children and become severely depressed if they are unable or when they hit menopause.
    Another thought many of those guys are married. When young their wives understood without certain protection they would become pregant. Now their wives are in menopause and are able to enjoy sex without any concern of becoming pregant and the husband is not available. . . .
    It's the assumption that these things will be used in a moral way by a guy, when the assumption is that all women on BC do is sleep around, hence 'slut pills'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alagirl View Post
    It's the assumption that these things will be used in a moral way by a guy, when the assumption is that all women on BC do is sleep around, hence 'slut pills'

    In dubio pro homo.....
    On this we agree.
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    I'm not going to comment on the substance of the OP. I just want to say thank you because the title of this discussion gave me a good laugh this morning, and that was something I really needed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alagirl View Post
    It's the assumption that these things will be used in a moral way by a guy, when the assumption is that all women on BC do is sleep around, hence 'slut pills'

    In dubio pro homo.....
    Yes the double standard... it gets old, for sure.
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