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    I'm sure I received free lunches at times. Back then it was not something we were always aware of as kids. We just got in line and got our lunch.

    I did well enough in school to go to a top graduate program. Though I'm hardly wealthy, I pay more in taxes than most. And I sure hope some of that money goes to pay for lunches for hungry kids!!! What better way for them to get out of poverty than through education and hard work. And isn't that supposed to be what America is about, anyway?!

    I cannot even begin to imagine how mortifying it would be to have to clean or sweep for my meal, as a child already struggling to fit in!!! Just the poor kids? That's just downright cruel.
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    Food desserts
    There are several reasons for the rise of these. One is the consolidation of 'Big Grocery", but I am not up on that so I will say something about which I know a little more. I live in Independence Mo. Hard by Kansas City. There was a little grocery where I shopped for YEARS. Went out of business. A lot of groceries have really thin profit margins, and simply cannot be robbed blind by so called customers. I have been on the phone for the last hour with my mom, talking about the lack of groceries in our old neighborhood. Probably 4-5 miles in all directions between a grocery store now and they were plentiful when I was growing up.
    A friend raised her kids in Raytown, another suburb of KC. Middle class place. There was a big Wal-Mart there and her son worked there. He said they lost $000 every month to stuff just walking out the door. People STEAL. Puts a lot of smaller businesses out of business. A bigger concern can cover the losses.
    Anyway, I said all that to say this. Some food deserts are created by the locals. If people live in cities, there is usually public transportation. Some people in large cities have never had a car! I can't imagine, but others live their lives that way. Would you want to open a grocery in a neighbor hood where you would be robbed blind, and possibly some of your patrons stuck up too? Not many would.


    And another thing: Shame is underrated. NOT TALKING about shaming kids, but there is NO shame about anything anymore.
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    Growing up poor and hungry is hard. Singling out poor kids by making them do physical labor for food is downright cruel. I have no problem teaching kids the value of hard work but there is NO reason to single anyone out. It should be everyone or no one.

    Food deserts and the lack of nutritional value in school lunches is another topic entirely. Unfortunately I have a strong belief that the USDA guidelines and food charts have a lot to do with the obesity problem. I wish nutrition classes were more widely taught and fresh, healthy food was available to all. Just because someone can put food on the table doesn't mean it's necessarily healthy or nutritious.
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    More poverty penance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolprudm View Post
    From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs....how very socialist
    Hmmmm, comrade, that sounds very familiar. Fairness, "Winners of Life's Lottery", "Spreading the Wealth"...jeeze, seems like this was in an election several years ago....naw, couldn't be, comrade.
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    My children attend a school that offers free breakfast for every student, and free lunches for any child under 18 during the summer when school is not in session. This is not a district-wide program, it only applies to our area of the county.

    My only complaint with the program is that the kids are not allowed to bring ANYTHING - not even unopened packages - home as "leftovers". It all goes in the trash can - opened or not, resealable or not. We went to free summer lunch one time, on the day we enrolled the kids, and it literally made me sick to my stomach to see the kids that NEED to take those "leftovers" home, being forced to throw them away. And it is a strictly enforced policy - cafeteria employees standing guard around the tables, and by the door. Ratio of about 1 employee to 4 kids eating, so they can handle watching them closely.

    If those programs didn't exist, I know LOTS of kids here would go hungry. One of the saddest things is that it is often (at least here in my area, from what I have been told by teachers/staff) not an issue of not enough income, it is an issue of poor parenting, and the income being used for things other than feeding the mouths at the table.... Ditch the high cell phone bill, fancy car, video game crap and FEED YOUR KIDS!



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    I like the idea of all the kids cleaning the school - all, not just the poor. And I also like the idea of adults who receive welfare benefits doing community service, such as cleaning parks or picking up trash by the side of the road - but only adults.

    It seems amazingly cruel to require poor kids to clean for their lunches while others don't, and I imagine the long-term effect would only be to encourage those kids to not come to school or not eat. Yeah, maybe their parents are irresponsible and spend money badly - hence my desire for them to work for their assistance. But don't punish the kids.


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    I would love to see all students required to serve their school. Including having different students every day serving the food in the lunchline and only allowed to eat after everyone else does.

    Revolving tasks, including making sure their classrooms are cleaned and swept out, sweeping the hallways, picking up and emptying trash, etc.

    Janitorial services can be used for the heavier tasks, such as washing and waxing floors, etc.

    Also firmly believe in school uniforms.


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    Quote Originally Posted by moving to dc View Post
    If those programs didn't exist, I know LOTS of kids here would go hungry. One of the saddest things is that it is often (at least here in my area, from what I have been told by teachers/staff) not an issue of not enough income, it is an issue of poor parenting, and the income being used for things other than feeding the mouths at the table.... Ditch the high cell phone bill, fancy car, video game crap and FEED YOUR KIDS!
    I doubt that. To qualify for free lunch a family of four has to have an income of less than $30,615/year. After they pay for rent, utilities and transportation, I doubt there's a whole lot of wasteful spending going on.

    But by all means, let's blame the poor...it seems to be in this year.
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    No, leave the children alone. If they are getting free meals there are bigger issues in their world and school should be a place to feel safe and learn.

    I have a sister who is on any/all govt programs and her son gets free meals. My sister should be the one doing service work to collect free benefits instead of sitting at home finding the loop holes in the laws stay in the house (hasn't paid the mortgage since March '12) and using bankruptcy to delay the foreclosure. She is a smart cookie figuring out how to legally avoid being a responsible adult and we all pay for her upkeep in spite of her being a college graduate and 49 years old.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraKY View Post
    I doubt that. To qualify for free lunch a family of four has to have an income of less than $30,615/year. After they pay for rent, utilities and transportation, I doubt there's a whole lot of wasteful spending going on.

    But by all means, let's blame the poor...it seems to be in this year.
    There is wasteful spending. A woman I worked with was living in Section 8 housing. Her kids were on Medicaid. When she finally started to make enough money to move out of section 8 housing people from work helped her move. Horse trailers make great moving vehicles.
    She had probably 20 totes of shoes. I bet she had at least 75 to 100 pairs of shoes that she sent to me to store for a month before the move. So those were the shoes she did not wear regularly. She had 6-8 higher end wigs. She always had her nails done- frequently professionally done. When she moved to the new apartment she had to have her DISH TV transferred to the new apartment.

    Understand this was a woman that had never been off of public assistance of some kind yet had 4-5 times as many shoes as I had, she had pay TV and a number of expensive wigs, gets her nails professionally done. No she was not a cancer survivor. She apparently just had crappy hair.
    Yet when school started in the fall she didn't send her sons to school since she could not afford the school supplies. But didn't check with the school to see if there was a program for her to get them through the school- there was. She didn't have the money to get her sons sneakers that fit so the school was calling her at work since her sons' feet hurt because his shoes were too small.
    Yes, she brown bagged her lunch. Ate frugally. She tried to get a second job but couldn't get reliable child care. Her ex would tell her he would watch the kids but then would back out at the last minute. She would have to cancel to many shifts so got fired. He, of course, wasn't paying this court ordered child support. He would work a job up until the point that they would start to garnish his wages for child support and then would quit. Or he would work jobs under the table. He was one of those baby daddies. Children with 4 or 5 women. Would live with the current stupid woman, minimally work and let her support him and his kids.

    Do I hate her? No. Do I think she makes bad money choices? Sure do.
    She does not NEED pay TV. She does not need to have her nails professionally done. She does not need that many shoes especially when she now can't afford shoes to fit her sons. She does not need that many wigs.
    I don't begrudge her the painted nails but she is more than capable of doing them herself. She did graduate the tech program in high school for cosmetology.

    She should have some nice shoes for work and some for the weekend. Not the Imelda Marcos shoe collection.

    If her hair is really that crappy then fine a couple of high quality wigs- no problem. She needs to be able to present a professional appearance to get a decent job. But 6-8 gets a little excessive. The cheapest wig she had was $150.

    She also did enough damage to her apartment that she lost her security deposit. Mostly things like letting the kids color on the walls and not clean it off. Juice stains on the carpet with no real attempt to clean the spot. The carpet needed to be replaced. There were a few holes in the drywall and she left the place filthy. If she had just taken care of the spills as they came up and not let the kids write on the walls or at least cleaned up after them she wouldn't have lost all of her deposit. That is just money down the drain.

    Where she was finding the money for the shoes, wigs, nails, pay TV I am not sure. But she eventually got her electric turned off at the new apartment for non-payment. So I guess robbing Peter to pay Paul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraKY View Post
    I doubt that. To qualify for free lunch a family of four has to have an income of less than $30,615/year. After they pay for rent, utilities and transportation, I doubt there's a whole lot of wasteful spending going on.

    But by all means, let's blame the poor...it seems to be in this year.
    When we moved here and enrolled our children, I was told to fill out the paperwork, regardless of what our income was. The office staff at the school said the program was not based solely on income, but on multiple factors. And the staff (and other lifetime community members) have repeatedly told me there is a local non-parenting issue, and I do believe them, as I have been involved in school activities and seen it firsthand. We are a Title I school.

    And yes, I do blame the family if they make enough money to support their family, but instead blow their income on other crap. Am I going to deny their kids meals? No, but I wish there were programs for the parents - mandatory money management classes for one. There is no harm in learning to budget your money.



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    Money budgeting should be mandatory for all high school students. We have an employee that makes over $40k/yr and his power was shut off this past summer. His wife refuses to work even though they only have one 5th grader at home. They pay for dance lessons for she and the two adult children. He has a 3 pack a day habit and the mom enrolled the youngest in private clarinet lessons.


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    i remember reading those comments by that asshat politician a while back and being so disgusted. i bet his kid doesn't have to clean the house to get the lunch money his dad gives him. i was on free breakfast/lunch and am now a teacher at a 100% free breakfast/lunch school. i can't believe people would even contemplate making an innocent child have to work for the little food s/he gets.
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    As a taxpayer, I keep wondering when it became the schools job to provide EVERYTHING?! education, food, parenting, clothes, Christmas presents. The list just goes ON AND ON AND ON!!! Maybe we should even start to provide housing? Let's just let people have the children-as many as they want-and when they get to be 4 or 5, we'll just move them into boarding schools and then we can provide EVERYTHING for them until they turn 21. They won't want.need.work for anything.

    sigh...

    Or we could go back to providing education in the schools and let the parents do the providing for the children they are bringing into the world.
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    Except parents don't want to parent anymore. Rich, poor, middle class. It doesn't matter, our society doesn't want to accept responsibility anymore.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IndysMom View Post
    As a taxpayer, I keep wondering when it became the schools job to provide EVERYTHING?! education, food, parenting, clothes, Christmas presents. The list just goes ON AND ON AND ON!!! Maybe we should even start to provide housing? Let's just let people have the children-as many as they want-and when they get to be 4 or 5, we'll just move them into boarding schools and then we can provide EVERYTHING for them until they turn 21. They won't want.need.work for anything.

    sigh...

    Or we could go back to providing education in the schools and let the parents do the providing for the children they are bringing into the world.
    You little rebel you! Yeah, I'm from the generation that says work may be a four letter word but it isn't a dirty one. Why do schools/teachers get tasked with the childs care? I understand the idea of helping every kid in need, but is the current system working? It just seems to me that we are creating a society that can't cope on their own.

    And you know if you are on public assistance but don't live within walking distance to a real store maybe you should consider moving. I finished reading an article on the ending of the extended benefits for unemployment. Some people might have to move to find work or even take a job with lower pay than they had before. Oh gasp, really *sarcasm*. Growing up on a small family farm I learned if you want to eat you have to work, it's not rocket science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rustbreeches View Post
    Money budgeting should be mandatory for all high school students. We have an employee that makes over $40k/yr and his power was shut off this past summer. His wife refuses to work even though they only have one 5th grader at home. They pay for dance lessons for she and the two adult children. He has a 3 pack a day habit and the mom enrolled the youngest in private clarinet lessons.
    You know a lot of things should be mandatory for high school students, money budgeting is at the top of the list.

    Cooking is another good one and I'd love to see it started in pre-school or elementary school. Good food and cooking skills help feed the mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraKY View Post
    You know a lot of things should be mandatory for high school students, money budgeting is at the top of the list.

    Cooking is another good one and I'd love to see it started in pre-school or elementary school. Good food and cooking skills help feed the mind.
    It seems we set kids up to pass standardized testing, but fail at life


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    Quote Originally Posted by rustbreeches View Post
    It seems we set kids up to pass standardized testing, but fail at life
    When passing the test becomes the reason for education, we've got a huge problem.
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