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    Default No free lunches?

    I can't find articles that aren't primarily opinions pieces, but this one has the gist of it.

    http://news.yahoo.com/gop-congressma...191619931.html

    One pro: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...n-kay-melchior

    One against:http://thestir.cafemom.com/big_kid/1...s_poor_kids_to

    I'm not a big fan of entitlement programs, but I'd rather err on the side of feeding kids.
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    I like the idea of kids doing a bit of cleaning and such to give them a sense of responsibility and ownership of their school. BUT, not just the free-lunch kids- ALL the kids. In this age of entitlement, it would probably benefit the better-off kids more, but I can just hear the parents already..."my special darling should not have to lift a finger..."


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    I don't think all kids should have to work at their school, being in school is their job. But I wish the food program would be available to those that WANT to work. Sign up for a particular job and get a chit for a free meal. Hey, if you're hungry enough you'll work and it also gives other students the opportunity join experience with a payout.

    Someone told me that a rich man has many problems, but a hungry man has only one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyGiantPony View Post
    I can't find articles that aren't primarily opinions pieces, but this one has the gist of it.

    http://news.yahoo.com/gop-congressma...191619931.html

    One pro: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...n-kay-melchior

    One against:http://thestir.cafemom.com/big_kid/1...s_poor_kids_to

    I'm not a big fan of entitlement programs, but I'd rather err on the side of feeding kids.
    From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs....how very socialist

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    Kids don't pay for their lunches, their parents do. Singling out kids because their parents don't send them to school with lunch money isn't fair to the kid-it's not the kid's fault whatsoever. Children are in k-12 school to learn a basic education, and it's unfortunate that parents send their kids without feeding them breakfast or giving them money for a proper lunch. I think investing in our children's health (children's health doesn't get any more basic than providing unfed kids food) so they can pay attention to learning K-12 education is investing in our country's future.
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    My husband was a free lunch kid, my dad would have been had they had the program back then. Instead he took cold biscuits in his lunch. Both feel lunch should be free for every school child


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    Well, I disagree with him.

    For kids, being in school is their job. Low income students have enough extra to bare at home. They don't need to be singled out at school to do extra work on top of that. It is not their fault that their family is poor. Can you just imagine the isolation that will bring when an 8 year old has to sweep the floor where his friends eat merrily? And what happens when he doesn't have a dime? He doesn't eat? Sorry, not ok in my book.

    However, I do agree with ALL students cleaning their school and taking personal responsibility for their apple left in their desk. But that's a lesson all students need to learn (and maybe the "rich" ones even more).

    Now once students get to working age, 15 or 16+, we can talk about working off their lunches. At this point they can start taking personal responsibility for their income (either finances or food form). However, I still think they should have options to work before/after school or away from the other students at lunch so their working status isn't on display in front of other students.

    On a logistical note: There are a lot of students on free lunches. If 40% of your students are on free lunches, do all 40% sweep the cafeteria?
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    NO. Geez, it would be hard enough to be one of the kids at school who doesn't have the latest and greatest doo-dads, or even new clothes, but to have to sweep the floors because you qualify for/get the free lunch? Ugh. Not a lot of kids in our town qualify for free lunch, but some do and my kids have NEVER known which kids those were unless they were friends and told them. Every snotty bully in the school doesn't have to know exactly who to hassle because they are sweeping the floors. It's also not the kids fault that their household income qualifies them for free lunch, why single those kids out for chores in school?


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    In the district DD attends, some schools are 100 percent. The district we live in is about 65 percent



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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonders12 View Post
    There are a lot of students on free lunches. If 40% of your students are on free lunches, do all 40% sweep the cafeteria?
    Also what are the remaining 60% who aren't on free lunch going to do while classmates sweep? How is this not going to take away educational time from all kids?


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    A child's job is to go to school and learn. A child cannot learn if s/he is hungry. Children should not be punished either because their parents cannot afford to feed them or because a parent forgot to send money. Good lord. They're KIDS. Feed them.
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    Japan has a great program. Kids are not allowed to bring lunch until high school. Lunches are served in the classroom, the children take turns serving (dressed in a white coat).

    They have full price, reduced price and free lunches. No vending machines either...no junk food.
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    More on the war on poverty...

    Yes, please single out the kids who are poor. It works wonders for the morale of them, the attendency and graduation stats I am sure.. </sarcasm>

    DH was a free lunch kid...back in the day when the teachers called you to the front of the class to hand you your 'chit' to redeem your free food. being poor sucks. Do you have to be outed ans austracised for that as well?

    We have a lot of kids on the free and reduced lunch list.
    I am also sure that the lunch (and breakfast, as it is served as well here) is the only chance these kids have for nutritious food. When school lets out for holidays and breaks, it's bad news for them!

    And why I am not surprised it comes from a republican candidate! He needs to be run out on the rail!
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    Alagirl , districts here now send backpacks home on weekends and holidays with kids deemed unlikely to eat outside of school


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    Quote Originally Posted by rustbreeches View Post
    Alagirl , districts here now send backpacks home on weekends and holidays with kids deemed unlikely to eat outside of school
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    Quote Originally Posted by rustbreeches View Post
    Alagirl , districts here now send backpacks home on weekends and holidays with kids deemed unlikely to eat outside of school
    Fantastic!
    (but gosh, I know one person who would eat that food instead of having her kid eat it...I think school food is the only time the child is guaranteed she gets her fill!)
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    I was one of those on the free lunch program through most of school. Once I was old enough to do chores/babysit for money I bought my own lunch as often as I could.
    As a little kid it didn't bother me, but by the time I was in about 5/6th grade it did. They handed out different colored lunch tickets based on free, reduced, or paid for lunches. Talk about embarrassing for all the kids not getting the paid for tickets!!
    The school now has a debit card system, so no one knows who gets free, etc unless the kid says something.
    The school also allows a child to borrow up to $10 for hot food(not vendors) so if they happen to forget their lunch $ or whatever, they still get to eat.


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    Having children of lesser means work for lunches while the others do not is bloody heinous. The Japanese model that LauraKY mentioned sounds excellent, and helps with skill building and responsibility. I'm still an excellent sandwich maker from my days in co-op residence!


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    Quote Originally Posted by J-Lu View Post
    Kids don't pay for their lunches, their parents do. Singling out kids because their parents don't send them to school with lunch money isn't fair to the kid-it's not the kid's fault whatsoever. Children are in k-12 school to learn a basic education, and it's unfortunate that parents send their kids without feeding them breakfast or giving them money for a proper lunch. I think investing in our children's health (children's health doesn't get any more basic than providing unfed kids food) so they can pay attention to learning K-12 education is investing in our country's future.
    Exactly.

    But even beyond the idea that it is the right thing to do - can you even imagine the logistics required for a school to monitor 40% or more of their students "working for their lunch?" Who's craptastic job would that be...and how much would they have to be paid to keep track of a school full of elementary aged "workers"....making sure they each did their share so that they can get their lunch.


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    I was a free lunch kid. Their food was awful most of the time so I usually skipped it and gave away my ticket.

    If it meant eating and working or not eating, I would have skipped the lunch if all the kids who paid for lunches didn't have to work.


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