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  1. #21
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    For the last 20 plus years I refuse to buy Hartz products of any kind- toys, rawhides, etc.... I refuse to support a company that continues to produce products that cause injury and death when used as directed to the very animal that it is supposed to protect. I will not put any money in Hartz's pocket for any reason.
    Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community. (Tidy Rabbit)


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    This was Sargeants, not Hartz but is more or less the same.
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    LockeMeadows - if you do take your kitty (whom I hope is feeling MUCH better) to the vet and they agree that it is likely to be a flea spray incident, ask them to report it to NPIC (the National Pesticide Information Center). They can actually enter the information on line at http://pi.ace.orst.edu/vetrep/. That will get the information to the people that register such products.

    Good luck with your kitty!


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    Do you guys need to chastise the OP after she offered a Word of Warning to you all...... so that you can benefit from her mistake?

    Geez. Reinvent the wheel if you want to, one convulsing cat at a time because no one will post of their screw ups any more, but that seems stupid.
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    My dog had an allergic reaction to the brand-name flea prevention topical when he was a puppy - kinda looked like weird sneezing but I think it was seizures based on what I later understood - and I switched to off-brand stuff. Not had any problems since.
    Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!



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    mvp, on just about any thread with more than 20 replies you seem to show up and chastise every poster who has upset *you* in some way and then proceed to make dire predictions of catastrophe if everyone doesn't comply with your unusual world view.

    The OP did not mention a vet. Since people other than the OP are reading the thread, myself and others mentioned that *if* she hasn't taken her cat to the vet as well as the cat feeling better...to please do so since there can be long term serious health problems that don't show up right away.

    This way *if* the OP didn't also go to the vet, she knows now that in order to prevent long term chronic issues and/or possible death of her cat she might want to have the kitty looked at.
    And if she did take the cat to the vet also, then everyone else reading this who may experience feline seizures, ataxia, etc knows that giving the cat a bath is not the cure and to definitely bring the cat to a vet asap.

    As the original post is written right now the only thing people can infer is either 1) OP didn't use a vet and might not know about the long term affects so warning to still seek a vet is for helping OP and the cat and 2) anyone else reading the OP doesn't assume that if their cat develops sudden onset of serious health problems they can just wash it and wait for it to get better.

    Nobody was rude, that seems to be your very common reaction of reading rudeness and/or a personal attack on *you* somehow into posts. I highly doubt anyone will cease posting due to this thread of people adding to the OP's warning to also take the pet to the vet.

    I don't know about anyone else, but I'd be super pissed if I posted a similar problem, nobody mentioned also seeking a vet and the reasons why even if my pet was acting normal again and then my cat died...and many other people knew this could happen but didn't want to upset me.

    Well, actually didn't want to upset you.

    PLease consider that not every thread that doesn't fit your personal opinion of proper netiquette is not necessarily mean. If everyone else understands the tone and reasons behind the direction of a thread but you...
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    Laurierace, Saergents isn't any better. Good point.

    Alex and Bodie...awesome job! Great thread timing by the OP. Can you believe that company is still plugging along? If you or anyone else ever asks *any* vet abut using Hartz you'd all get the same exact reply, "Don't do it, it's dangerous!"
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    I'm beyond appalled that Hartz crap is still on the market.
    "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

    ...just settin' on the Group W bench.


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    I made the mistake once of putting Hartz flea collars on the barn cats. Poor things ended up itchy and bald from them. I felt SO bad for what I had done.

    In fact, I think I read about it here and then immediately called the barn to have someone check on the cats. They were fine, but I never would have forgiven myself if they had died.


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    I don't understand how they are still in business either. They must have one hell of a defense lawyer because people have been complaining for decades and they are still the biggest brand in grocery stores.
    You are what you dare.


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    Cats lick themselves to wash so anything sprayed on them is going to be ingested.

    No human should ever spray any flea treatment (or any other chemicals or harmful substances) on a cat or on anything the cat might lick.



    I am glad you posted this warning thread here for people to read. I thought everybody knew not to spray flea treatment on kitties. Apparently not. Hopefully lots of people will read this thread.
    That is all I am going to say here. Lots more words going round in my head.



    I am very glad kitty is alive and doing well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MistyBlue View Post
    mvp, on just about any thread with more than 20 replies you seem to show up and chastise every poster who has upset *you* in some way and then proceed to make dire predictions of catastrophe if everyone doesn't comply with your unusual world view.

    The OP did not mention a vet. Since people other than the OP are reading the thread, myself and others mentioned that *if* she hasn't taken her cat to the vet as well as the cat feeling better...to please do so since there can be long term serious health problems that don't show up right away.

    This way *if* the OP didn't also go to the vet, she knows now that in order to prevent long term chronic issues and/or possible death of her cat she might want to have the kitty looked at.
    And if she did take the cat to the vet also, then everyone else reading this who may experience feline seizures, ataxia, etc knows that giving the cat a bath is not the cure and to definitely bring the cat to a vet asap.

    As the original post is written right now the only thing people can infer is either 1) OP didn't use a vet and might not know about the long term affects so warning to still seek a vet is for helping OP and the cat and 2) anyone else reading the OP doesn't assume that if their cat develops sudden onset of serious health problems they can just wash it and wait for it to get better.

    Nobody was rude, that seems to be your very common reaction of reading rudeness and/or a personal attack on *you* somehow into posts. I highly doubt anyone will cease posting due to this thread of people adding to the OP's warning to also take the pet to the vet.

    I don't know about anyone else, but I'd be super pissed if I posted a similar problem, nobody mentioned also seeking a vet and the reasons why even if my pet was acting normal again and then my cat died...and many other people knew this could happen but didn't want to upset me.

    Well, actually didn't want to upset you.

    PLease consider that not every thread that doesn't fit your personal opinion of proper netiquette is not necessarily mean. If everyone else understands the tone and reasons behind the direction of a thread but you...
    Hmm. I don't recall getting my knickers as twisted about threads as you remember my doing. But if you say so, I'll take your word for it.

    Otherwise, I take your point about all that "Take yer cat to the vet already" sentiment being a conditional thing. As in, *if* the OP hadn't yet, these other COTHers think she should.

    The things that did inspire my attempt to call off what looked like a pile-on were 2:

    1. Some of the persnickety and mean-spirited stuff that happens here-- folks asking if a bridle is legal getting answers about how ugly it is.

    2. The fact that the OP admitted at the outset that she had screwed up. Also, I don't recall the OP being uncaring or clueless about her animals in the past. So I'll assume she's doing the best she can think to do by them. That might not meet your standards, of course, but I don't think the OP was ignorant or callous.

    I haven't used Hartz stuff. Their being nefarious cat poisoners isn't obvious to me, so I appreciate the PSA... even though anyone who has been around COTH for a while knows that one would do well to not invite criticism.
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    I have a friend whose kitty vomits and vomits every time she is treated with Frontline. I would think that would mean a switch to Advantage or another brand, but no, my friend continues to use Frontline. Her vet sells it.

    Kitty did not vomit the month I treated her with Frontline (when I was cat-sitting for friend).

    Guess it is like human drugs -- the ones advertised on TV as making you feel so wonderful despite all the horrid side effects advertised. Some people (people, not cats or other creatures) just seem to think side effects are something we all must put up with in order to get the "benefits" of the "treatment."

    My kitties don't have fleas this year, haven't had them since we moved to this place. It is horrid for humans but my kitties are very happy and flea-free here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wellspotted View Post
    I have a friend whose kitty vomits and vomits every time she is treated with Frontline. I would think that would mean a switch to Advantage or another brand, but no, my friend continues to use Frontline. Her vet sells it.

    Kitty did not vomit the month I treated her with Frontline (when I was cat-sitting for friend).

    Perhaps your friend is not applying the Frontline appropriately, and the cat is licking it off.
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    OP, how is your kitty? Lots of jingles!



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    Quote Originally Posted by LexInVA View Post
    My dog had an allergic reaction to the brand-name flea prevention topical when he was a puppy - kinda looked like weird sneezing but I think it was seizures based on what I later understood - and I switched to off-brand stuff. Not had any problems since.
    My senior cocker had a neurological reaction to a name brand flea spot on last month...stuck her in the laundry tubs and scrubbed her with Dawn. You just never know. I'm trying Revolution this month.
    "We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals." ~Immanuel Kant



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