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    Default Tell Congress to Pass the SAFE Act Banning Horse Slaughter (different petition)

    This petition goes to Congress...your Senators and Representative.

    http://capwiz.com/aspca/issues/alert/?alertid=62499526

    Then, make sure you call your Congressional representatives when they're back from recess.
    "We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals." ~Immanuel Kant


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    Done, thanks for the heads up
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    so your friends are spamming the net with petitions, just as you spam the forum with basically duplicate threads...

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    Personally, I think the moderate use of shock collars in training humans should be allowed.


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    ala if you looked at what was posted here and compared it to the other thread you would have seen that they are completely different.
    Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

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    Oh, good, more to explain what is really going on here, that have some really upset that everyone doesn't just jump on the animal rights extremist bandwagon meekly and rides off into the sunset.

    Yes, indeed, be sure to tell your representative what you think they should do and more important, WHY you think so.

    No form letter necessary, use your own words, they carry more weight than an animal rights extremist representative telling them an x number of signatures goes with this and that proposition.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluey View Post
    Oh, good, more to explain what is really going on here, that have some really upset that everyone doesn't just jump on the animal rights extremist bandwagon meekly and rides off into the sunset.

    Yes, indeed, be sure to tell your representative what you think they should do and more important, WHY you think so.

    No form letter necessary, use your own words, they carry more weight than an animal rights extremist representative telling them an x number of signatures goes with this and that proposition.
    Bluey, go take a bathroom break or something, willya? I think you've been at this keyboard keeping up the holy cause of horse slaughter for about 18 straight years! Your perversity is exceeded only by your persistence--and you have YET to convince a single COTH'er that you're right. Give it a rest!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Eboshi View Post
    Bluey, go take a bathroom break or something, willya? I think you've been at this keyboard keeping up the holy cause of horse slaughter for about 18 straight years! Your perversity is exceeded only by your persistence--and you have YET to convince a single COTH'er that you're right. Give it a rest!
    Just quoting this in case you realize how rude this post is.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mozart View Post
    Personally, I think the moderate use of shock collars in training humans should be allowed.


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    Thanks for bumping the thread. You guys are great at keeping this petition and the other going to the President at the top of the page.
    "We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals." ~Immanuel Kant


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Eboshi View Post
    Bluey, go take a bathroom break or something, willya? I think you've been at this keyboard keeping up the holy cause of horse slaughter for about 18 straight years! Your perversity is exceeded only by your persistence--and you have YET to convince a single COTH'er that you're right. Give it a rest!
    You know that because every single COTHer has told you so?

    Well, let me tell you different, some do contact me, thanking me for telling it like it is, yes, there is more to this than some would like told.

    Do you really think that keep adding threads, right now three going on about the animal rights extremist driven BAN horse slaughter agenda, is right for COTH, but if I express my concerns about what is behind that agenda, now I am the one at fault here for bringing this up time and again?


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    Keep 'em coming Bluey. Bumped again.
    "We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals." ~Immanuel Kant


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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraKY View Post
    Thanks for bumping the thread. You guys are great at keeping this petition and the other going to the President at the top of the page.
    Right, people need to read, not only about the petition, but that there may be more to consider here than blindly go signing on some animal rights extremist driven agendas.


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    I'm with Bluey on this one.


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    Default petition

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluey View Post
    Right, people need to read, not only about the petition, but that there may be more to consider here than blindly go signing on some animal rights extremist driven agendas.
    I'm with Bluey. Everyone should do their homework and make sure they know every aspect before signing anything. Sometimes the longterm consequences are not the desired intention of the short term action.

    I also become very suspicious when the same request is found in more than one thread. On this board, that is very inappropriate to have started multiple threads.


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    Or, in the alternative, remove your rose colored glasses and observe the horrid results of previous bans.

    Like Prohibition, the end of equine slaughter promises a brave, new world but in reality will likely mean agony for tens of thousands of horses wasting away in back yards and obscure pastures.

    There are things worse than death.

    G.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guilherme View Post
    Or, in the alternative, remove your rose colored glasses and observe the horrid results of previous bans.

    Like Prohibition, the end of equine slaughter promises a brave, new world but in reality will likely mean agony for tens of thousands of horses wasting away in back yards and obscure pastures.

    There are things worse than death.

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    What horrid results?

    Two links for two completely different petitions. One to the President, one to Congress.
    "We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals." ~Immanuel Kant


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    Quote Originally Posted by Guilherme View Post
    Or, in the alternative, remove your rose colored glasses and observe the horrid results of previous bans.

    Like Prohibition, the end of equine slaughter promises a brave, new world but in reality will likely mean agony for tens of thousands of horses wasting away in back yards and obscure pastures.

    There are things worse than death.

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    They're "wasting" there right now. There is currently no impediment whatsoever to sending any of them to slaughter and BEING PAID to get them out of their backyards.

    The trouble is, they don't WANT to get them out of their backyards, to slaughter, rescue, sale, or anywhere else--because most of the "hoarders" are people with low-grade mental illness, and most of the backyard "breeders" are hillbillies for whom making $300 from their "stud" may feed the kids next week.
    What happens to the progeny from those breedings is none of their concern.

    Horse neglect DOES NOT relate, and NEVER HAS, to the availability of slaughter. If it did, there shouldn't have been a lame, skinny, poorly-trained, or used-up horse anyplace in North America since the dawn of time! It has ALWAYS been available and is available NOW. Yet abuse and neglect are perennial problems. This "argument" is nothing but sophistry.


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    Thanks for the heads up. I sent a genuine old fashioned written letter with examples as to how desperate the anti side is to cover the truth. I don't know if the impact is still the same for government but I know they used to say one email represented one hundred people, a phone call was one thousand and a hand written letter was 10,000.

    Petitions with less than 20,000 signatures were usually just filed"

    And, since I have two properties I guess I can send two letters.


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    Hoarders are a different senerio. We ALL agree

    However certain members (posters) still state the horses can be relocated into new homes. And yet, when one attends a sale (we did in Montana two weeks ago) there were so few bidders for even well trained horses it was sad.

    Several brokers picked up 10 plus ranch geldings and they are going to bring them up to Alberta for the fall ranch horse sale where prices are not $150 but more like $1500.

    However for the sale in Colorado, where meat buyers purchased every one of 175 head (I was just told about the sale..) there were no "homes" to absorb them. They were in good shape..no neglect.

    There are very few homes for any type of horse. The market is tight and people are only purchasing that which fits EXACTLY into their lifestyle

    The horse suffers IF it is starved or left to find grass on a large tract of over grazed land (75,000) native horses

    I have heard that HSUS is trying to negotiate "something' with the natives so they will just be quiet..but it is not working according to Larry Crowchild.

    Natives have a history of eating their horses during lean years when the buffalo did not arrive, so they do not see it like the white man does .

    An animal is there to serve man and every animal has a purpose..even the ant and mosquito (I did ask about this one and they told me the mosquito keeps both man and beast humble)

    Anti slaughter posters have not demonstrated that they are willing to create solutions. They have not created massive euthanization clinics..for free or very very cheap. With the odd exception, the anti crowd and rescue crowd have not set up feed banks..in fact..other than catterwal and wait..they have done very little ACTUAL solution based work.

    HSUS makes vacuous promises as do its temple members (The Temple of Veganism) and they spend no money on the actual animal..or setting up clinics. They do employ their 50 plus lawyers (link provided earlier) to create laws that impact horse ownership in a negative manner.

    P.S. Bluey..keep up the excellent work..never personal, always on point


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Eboshi View Post
    They're "wasting" there right now. There is currently no impediment whatsoever to sending any of them to slaughter and BEING PAID to get them out of their backyards.

    The trouble is, they don't WANT to get them out of their backyards, to slaughter, rescue, sale, or anywhere else--because most of the "hoarders" are people with low-grade mental illness, and most of the backyard "breeders" are hillbillies for whom making $300 from their "stud" may feed the kids next week.
    What happens to the progeny from those breedings is none of their concern.

    Horse neglect DOES NOT relate, and NEVER HAS, to the availability of slaughter. If it did, there shouldn't have been a lame, skinny, poorly-trained, or used-up horse anyplace in North America since the dawn of time! It has ALWAYS been available and is available NOW. Yet abuse and neglect are perennial problems. This "argument" is nothing but sophistry.
    aside from being nasty, condescending and self righteous....

    Yes, there is a correlation between the plants closing and the rise of neglect.
    Buyers changed their buying routes to accommodate the added shipping distance. Fueled by drought and lack of income in many areas the market collapsed, placing horses in the hands of people who previously could not afford the 300-500 dollar horse (bottom price, set by the meat man) but happily carried home a truckload of 25$ steeds to find out that the first bale of hay was more than the horse was worth...
    The rise in neglect was so bad that even the John Tesh show noticed it. And one cannot accuse him of being agriculturally slanted by any means!
    No hay, no money, no market...that's a bad constellation.

    But please bear in mind, probably the majority of your clients started out as an economy priced grade horse, produced by somebody other than a big breeding farm.

    besides, get your story straight.
    In one thread you rant about the big outfits who produce willie-nillie, now you are dumping on the small breeders, projecting all kinds of assumptions and stereotypes. Newsflash: Somebody has to breed something so we can own horses. Not everybody wants/needs what the (shrinking number) of quality breeders on COTH or other places produce, not everybody wants/needs a racetrack reject.

    And in case some lurker missed it:
    regulating breeders to the hilt will only result in a huge lack of supply.
    That means horse ownership will be priced out of reach of the average (middle class) person and even less people involved in the industry.
    If you can't ban it, make it prohibitively expensive. That works just as well. Gone is gone.
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    I thought the biggest adverse event of banning horse slaughter in the US is that the horses then get shipped long distances, under cruel conditions, to be slaughtered inhumanely in other countries. Banning slaughter in the US doesn't stop US horses from being slaughtered, it just moves it elsewhere. If it's here we can regulate it.


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