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    I may be wrong but I think the OP meant that if we, as a nation, saw more average looking actors and models naked in various media and entertainment forms, would we have better self images? And if we had better self images (no aspirations or feeling it necessary of looking like a model) would we be less prudish about things like public breastfeeding, etc.

    I'm not sure she meant should we be naked in public, I think she meant if the nudes we already see all the time on TV, magazines, movies looked more like the general population average instead of the media-hyped ideal.

    FWIW, my property is pretty private. Especially in summer. I can walk around nekked outside and nobody would know unless they drove all the way up my driveway. And I have to admit it's happened a time or two. The occasional hot flash, heat wave and/or random, unexpected enormous spider or ticks have resulted in spontaneous nakedness. Or t least shirtlessness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistyBlue View Post
    I'm not sure she meant should we be naked in public, I think she meant if the nudes we already see all the time on TV, magazines, movies looked more like the general population average instead of the media-hyped ideal.
    My answer to this is that it isn't seeing more average sized actors/actresses/models naked, it's seeing more average-sized people in entertainment and the media, period.
    Everyone is entitled to my opinion.


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    MistyBlue I guess I was just interested in how people think about the human form, how it became so sexualized, and how that has affected us. I'm loving all the different types of answers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxtrot's View Post
    Different strokes for different folks. The Europeans have a much freer attitude - where did NA's get so prudish?
    In Massachusetts, after the Puritans left Europe.

    Originally posted by kateh:
    Do you think that, as a culture, we'd have better self images if we saw more average-sized naked bodies?
    Yes, kateh, I think we might. I know that I would feel better about my body if I just saw more "womanly-sized" models in clothing catalogs. Tall angular women are not "full-figured," no matter what the catalogs advertise. I think it is partly because I would like to see what the clothes look like on women built more like me, but now you have got me thinking it also might make me feel better about my body. I might realize I am actually more "average" sized than I sometimes think!
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    I think the notion is correct that the worship of idealized forms, to the point that so many people feel anxiety about their perfectly normal bodes, is bad for us. It is also costly in terms of stress and negative self image.

    Has anyone ever seen the episode Perfect Private Partson the BBC show BBC America Reveals?

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    In some settings, I really don't care. In fact, I used to talk with my mom a lot while she was in the bath, because she was always on the go and it was one of the few times she *stayed still* long enough to really have a good conversation. (The other option was to follow her all over the house and the yard and down the street and etc. She had a bit of magpie in her ) And I really miss those conversations, putting lotion on her back where she couldn't reach, etc. (I am nearly a bit teary-eyed now... she's been gone since May 2000.)

    At home, I'm not naked often, but if I happen not to have any clothes on, and need to go to another room or whatever, I usually don't bother to put any clothes on. My husband is far more modest. I'll hot-tub naked; he won't.

    Nudity when/where I am not expecting it, though, bothers me.
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    I don't think anyone could have been more scared to be seen undressed than I was, (still am, it's so deep I can't change very fast) early training by my sister made me that way I suspect. She was just having fun, but it had it's effect. (she died of a sudden illness when I was almost 8, 1973) but about a year ago I accidentally came across something I had some difficulty with at first, but for some strange reason I kept reading, and it made sense. I heard about christian naturist groups. "what!" I thought. "The two can't possibly be compatible." So I kept reading just to find out what kind of reasoning that could be. The idea that comes across is that God made us like we are, He don't make junk, pronounced it very good when he got done. and we should not be ashamed of ourselves. I also discovered that at the good naturist/nudist resorts, lust and anything exhibited openly suggesting the slightest sexual feelings are strictly forbidden. One can be kicked out fast for anything of that sort. That's how they keep such places clean and moral.
    I also found this website which has helped a lot of people overcome porn addiction. Strangely enough, the best cure is to be free with exposure while at the same time retraining our brains to see nakedness in a common every day non sensual manner.
    Practicing that a good bit, pretty soon porn looses it's attraction. http://mychainsaregone.org/
    We've been trained from childhood that nakedness and immorality go hand in hand, but we need to chop those two apart, break them apart as two separate things. Keep one as no big deal and throw the other out.


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    I've got where I don't care who see's me naked - one of the few who strip right down at the gym during my lunch hour, I can't waste time, have to get back to work. But I didn't start out that way, the confidence came over time. I don't notice others naked either, unless they have an awesome tattoo & then (after they are dressed again!) I'll ask them about it & they are happy to tell the history.

    That said, I think everyone looks better with at least some clothes on. I don't know, I don't think my dogs or cats would look very good without any fur on. And I don't think human's look appealing dressed in skin only. I think we evolved from furry creatures anyway, and are "supposed" to have some cover, and clothes are the only way we can manage that nowadays.

    (Yeah, I don't think the hairless dogs & cats are pretty au naturel either - put some clothes on those poor critturs already, if they've been unluckly enough to lose the hair gene!)




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    I like your post, reubenT.

    And I was interested to learn about the Christian naturists. Makes sense to me, as that what how it was in the Garden of Eden.

    What you said about us being trained from childhood that nakedness and immorality go hand in hand ... we never see naked people in any but provocative poses. If we saw naked people doing normal everyday things, I think that would be a completely different thing.

    Arcadien, I'm with you about the hairless dog and cat breeds. When those are being deliberately bred by people, I think that's just weird.
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    well, thinking about it- I'm not very comfortable sans clothing in many climates. If it's over 85 degrees, I would be fine with no clothing but then I get sunburn, bug bites, and poison ivy. Many of the people I know are a bit too much to eat not enough exercise and who wants to see that? blubber walking.
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    I find it funny that nakedness does not bother me all whether it's me or someone else. But breast feeding in public bothers me. It makes no sense at all, except that I'm weird. Wait...maybe it does, slurping sounds make me crazy. Argh! Just thinking about them....argh! *moves to another thread*



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Eboshi View Post
    I can do without seeing anybody naked, thanks--about 99.9997% of us look a lot better in our clothes!
    See, that's just it, though. It's just a body. By that mindset, you are perpetuating that a body should be something worth noticing. And it's not. Who cares if you are "more attractive" in your clothes? Once you let go of the whole thing about attractive or not, nudity ceases to matter.


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    I went away to boarding school at 13 and to a VERY liberal all-women's college at 17...I have NO problem with nudity! My farm is in the middle of the woods, so I often walk around naked or mostly naked and have even been known to do stalls in my underwear if it's scalding hot out. There is no one to see me and if a neighbor comes to visit, the driveway is so long that I have plenty of time to throw something on that is more appropriate.

    I am not ashamed of my body, and it is by NO means perfect. But it's what I have and I'm grateful. And regardless of size or shape, I feel that no one else should be ashamed either. I find the human body (in all its permutations) to be beautiful and I don't understand this attitude of "I wouldn't want to see him/her/them naked!" because they don't have the body that you think is appropriate for nudity. Most of us aren't modern day super models; someone is going to see us naked sometime, regardless! A doctor, a partner, the person next to us at the gym...and that's ok!! We all have the same basic composition. There's nothing to be ashamed of, and certainly no reason to be judgmental!

    The human body is a mind-boggling thing. Appreciate it for what it is; beautiful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinah View Post
    Once you let go of the whole thing about attractive or not, nudity ceases to matter.
    Nope, there are definitely some reasons to prefer clothes other than "covering up" something you think is "disgusting." My Mom occasionally would go nude at home when it was just us. No problems at all, did not gross me out. However, even though I live in outer Timbuctoo and a half, I hardly ever go naked except walking back from the filled bathtub for a minute to another room when I forgot something to take with me.

    The strongest reason I have in mind when I always reach for clothes is protection. Not protection as in "somebody might see me, UGGHHH!!!!" Protection against bugs, allergens (I'm highly sensitive and just coming off a week of prednisone for a horrible case of poison ivy). My bad knee, even in summer, has a very different pain level with clothes than without, even inside. In fact, particularly inside; it's a reason I hate air conditioning (do not have it myself, have not had it since 1997, do not miss it). That layer of insulation makes a definite difference.

    Somebody asked me once at church why I always preferred pants to a dress, and they were surprised at the answer and admitted that it was a valid one. Granted, I look for nice-looking pants to wear to church, not just "whatever, and if you have a problem, that's your problem." Kind of like the horse show outfit showing respect for the judge. I think caring (in whatever way you are financially able and with your own reasons, such as the knee hurting plugged in, but yes, CARING, not just "I couldn't care less, so deal with it, God!") what you wear to church shows respect for God. But exposed skin to me doesn't equal "shame" as much as "going to hurt more."

    Plus my Dad has now had TEN melanomas removed. Just went for a CT for lung spots (hopefully benign, will repeat in 3 months to see). He never used sunscreen in his life and went shirtless a lot in youth in the deep south. I cannot see somebody out "celebrating" their "freedom" to go shirtless nowadays without wondering whether they will be paying for that 15 years down the road.

    So don't just dismiss, "Oh, anybody who isn't comfortable going naked is ashamed of themselves." There are other reasons you might not have considered that could be applying here.

    About celebrities, I totally agree that more normal bodies, whether clothed or unclothed, should be more common.


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    Good point dressagetraks. I'm definitely not trying to say that clothes don't have a purpose! I work outside a lot and often choose heavier, longer clothing than my coworkers because it gives me more protection. Plus I'm about as fair skinned as they get and would burn to a crisp if you took away my clothes.
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    My parents were free with the nudity when we were kids. I took showers with my father until i was waist high. My mother walked around naked plenty often.

    We live in a house that is on a road with a fair amount of traffic and do not have curtains or shades so I'm pretty careful about walking around naked now but when I have lived in places with privacy I love being naked. I just ty not to pass a mirror.



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    I am a naturist and live at a clothing option campground in the summer.
    people may think we're weird or sexually overt, but we're just people from all walks of life just as in any community.

    fat or skinny or with medical apparatus or missing body parts, we are all equals here.
    there are dances and pot luck suppers and plenty of socialization, people either bring their own chair or a towel to sit on.
    it's so not an issue.

    we judge each other by the cars we drive, not by bodies.
    (p.s. this is a camp joke, btw).


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    On vacation with my family, we were talking about this very thing as my little 2-year-old niece runs around the yard sans clothing. Personally, I couldn't go naked because I don't like the feeling of my saggy boobs against my ribs, or my long hair tickling my back, or my inner thighs touching each other. I'm just weird that way.

    Once when I was at a spa I was looking around at all the naked women. I wasn't staring, just a quick look at this person and that person and I was surprised at my reaction. While I think we've been conditioned to think that thinner women look better in clothes, the body type that I found most appealing as a feminine form was a heavier-than-thin person who had some tummy rolls, wide, round hips, and just general meat on her bones.

    But going naked is not for me. Mr. PoPo sleeps in the nude. I cannot.
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    I guess I've always been a nudist at heart. my mom despaired of me because while she liked to dress me in cute little dresses and pinafores, i'd be nekkid by the time she turned around.
    I used to do all of my housework in the raw, and when upset the first thing I want to do is strip, lol.
    now that I live where clothing is merely an option, I find myself feeling a bit mad when i'm somewhere I cannot take my clothes off when inspired. and as I have many hot flashes throughout the day that's a lot!


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLily View Post
    I think some of the responses have beautifully illustrated the point you were trying to make, OP. Perhaps if we saw more normal/average bodies on a regular basis people would not be "Eww, gross. I don't want to see him/her naked!" It strikes me as a very juvenile approach to the matter.

    Bodies are not perfect but we, as a whole, don't really grasp that because the only nudity we see are sculpted, surgically altered, air brushed, made up versions of the human form.

    I think it would help tremendously for people to see and become desensitized to the normal human form. It has lumps, bumps, and hair in weird places. A stranger's body is not there to be attractive for you. The sooner we all are okay with that, the more accepting I think we would feel with our own body image.
    Completely, totally, and utterly agree.


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