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    Default Grrr... Wild Grape Vines

    There are seemingly indestructible wild grapes that grow near one of the fence lines. These vines are over 60 years old and nothing I've ever done has been able to kill them off and these suckers like to grow up the fences and ground out electric wire. There used to be a horseguard tape fence there but it's now been eaten by this plant. I am trying to re-plan fences for over there and was thinking about a woven wire with a Centaur hot-rail at the top.

    I am afraid these things will eventually grow up the wire fence and cause issue with the hot rail. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to eliminate these so that doesn't happen?



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    Cut back as far as you can, drill holes into the main root, pour in a potent herbicide (Roundup), and cover everything including a radius of dirt around the plant with a couple heavy tarps for a month or two. Cut back and coat any shoots that might pop up around it.

    http://www.crawfordconservation.com/...Grapevines.pdf


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    We built our outdoor aren OVER established grape vines. I cannot tell you how often I found myself imagining grape vine shoots coming up in The middle of the completed arena
    So I went on the warpath, and it worked. Drill as many holes as you can in the top of the stumps. Pour in full strength undiluted cross bow. I asked for the most deadly stuff they had at the grange.
    Two years later: No grapes.


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    Arlosmine is right. Go to the grange or coop, and ask for the person in charge of plant killing chemicals, and they will tell you exactly what works best in your area. You do need to know that some weed killers have long term effects, and nothing will grow in that area for a long time.

    Using chemicals that are real weed eradicator, as opposed to regular weed killers can leave ground the way my parents back yard was left after an oil spill. At that time there was oil heat, and the tank overflowed during filling by the truck, and nothing grew where the heating oil had spilled. There was simply no way to grow anything, including no weeds grew either. So they had two choices, of removing the dirt, and replacing it, or putting in concrete, so the oil worked very much like the strongest weed killers do, and left scorched, dead earth. The weed killer will soak into the ground, but I doubt that you'll be worried about the bare earth aspect, because that should result in no maintenance for several years. When I was looking at weed killers or eradicators a few years ago for wild raspberry vines I was warned to pick a weed killer carefully if I intended to plant something else, or expected grass to grow there.
    Last edited by JanM; Jun. 9, 2013 at 12:09 PM.
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    Grape is considered to be one of the most susceptible crops to 2,4-D.

    see here http://www.ksda.gov/includes/documen...age_Grapes.pdf

    Have you tried 2,4-D spray on the wild grape? It's cheap and easy.



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    don't be too harsh on those wild grape vines as the ones from Texas saved the French wine industry

    "How Texas Saved the French Wine Industry
    june/july 1999

    In 1880, the vineyards of France were on the verge of destruction, courtesy of the phylloxera root louse. This grapevine plague was spread throughout France, and in the Charante Region (Cognac) in particular. With their very economy at risk, France selected French scientist Pierre Viala to find a cure for the plague. Viala's search lead him to Denison, Texas and scientist Thomas Volney Munson. Seeking a solution, Viala and Munson studied the native grapes of Texas. Because the soils of the Charante and Denison are very similar, and Munson knew the Texas rootstocks were resistant to phylloxera, Munson suggested that the only way to save the French vineyards was to graft the Texas rootstocks with the French vines. Viala agreed and thousands of bundles of Texas rootstocks were shipped to France to be grafted with the French vineyards. The grafting continues to this day.

    France awarded Munson the Chevalier du Merite Agricule, the highest award that could be given to a foreign civilian. In 1888, Munson was inducted into the Legion of Honor and, to commemorate the award, a Centennial Celebration was held in Cognac and Denison 100 years later. "

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/861474/posts


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    PasturePro (souped up 2-4-d) did a good job on my wild grape vines. It leaves the grass, dries in 2 hours and you can leave the horses on the field.



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    Quote Originally Posted by fordtraktor View Post
    PasturePro (souped up 2-4-d) did a good job on my wild grape vines. It leaves the grass, dries in 2 hours and you can leave the horses on the field.
    2,4-D and dicamba can also vaporize — known as volatilization — days after they are sprayed and then travel in the air for miles

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/26/bu...anted=all&_r=0



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    How 'bout Yucca. We had our driveway asphalted this spring and took out a small bed that had a yucca plant in it. They must have left a root and the darned things are growing up through our new asphalt. We are putting Roundup full strength on the leaves as they appear...any ideas?
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    I wrap chains or rope around the wild grape vines and pull them out with my 2500 pick up truck. Some of the vines are 60 feet long. We have measured them. The truck also pulls up most of the roots.
    Just drive slowly and let the weight of the truck pull the roots out and the vines down. I try to do it when it is dry enough to not turf the lawn but wet enough the roots come out easily and don't break.
    Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community. (Tidy Rabbit)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxtrot's View Post
    How 'bout Yucca. We had our driveway asphalted this spring and took out a small bed that had a yucca plant in it. They must have left a root and the darned things are growing up through our new asphalt. We are putting Roundup full strength on the leaves as they appear...any ideas?
    Nope, the stuff is indestructible, I dug it up with a pick axe 6 years ago, and it still tries to come back.
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    Neat story about the Texas grapevines, Clanter! Thanks for sharing!



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    Foxtrot-Roundup is simply very salty water, with a little dish detergent in it. It doesn't eradicate a plant forever, but only kills the leaves off for now, unless a plant is small and has very localized roots. Go to the Co-op, Grange, or if that's all you have, a Big Box store. Ask for the person in charge of plant killing. They all have someone who is a specialist, and they'll get something that kills the plant forever, unless it's simply impossible to kill yucca roots off. Some plants are unkillable. I think it's Sweet Gum that ruined a house, pool and everything in California, and on the TV show they said you can dig it up, but it might still come back-the house and pool had to be totally redone because the concrete all came up, fractured, and ruined the structures. You need someone who knows how to permanently eradicate local plants, and that calls for an expert.

    The wild raspberry vines in my back yard (I think they were called raspberry-very long roots, tons of small thorns, and hard to kill) took years to get rid of. When it was just dirt I pulled and shoveled some up, and if I could find the onion like root the plant died, but I found I had to follow the roots, and get the entire root system or they grew back. I kept mowing them, spraying, and digging them up, and it was just a regular suburban yard. I can't imagine trying to get rid of something like yucca, grape vines, or kudzu.
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    That is so comforting Sanois and Jan (not)

    But the yucca is pushing up the asphalt further and further away so it really is time to go to get the big guns from the Co-op. And we try so hard not to use nasty chemicals round here, but desperate times require desperate measures.
    Roundup is just not up to the job.
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    We had a mesh fence that was like this with wild grapes. We just set the fence high enough to stop the horses from leaning and arranged it so that section could be bypassed by the electric fence. It created a nice looking, natural barrier that also fed the wild birds.

    If there are wild grapes anywhere in the area wild birds will bring the seeds back anyway so you will get more grapes even if you get rid of what's there.


    Christa



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    and more goats


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    Anything with huge, wide roots is hard to kill because you have to get all of the roots. My wild raspberries finally all quit growing, but I guess it was because I finally removed all of the root bulbs. I think with the help of chemicals you'll kill the grape vines off, but it'll take work. I know you don't like to use chemicals, but sometimes they are the easiest, and most permanent way. The good news is that with the right chemical, used in a limited way, but in the correct way you might kill off a lot of the grape vines, and any survivors can be yanked out with a truck. When I moved into my previous house there was a row of really ugly holly bushes, with really thick trunks, and my tree trimmer/remover took the bushes out with a chain and his four wheel drive truck, and it only left a few big roots, and I took care of them with a lopper and a shovel. Removal of almost anything can be done, and I think you can do it with a minimum of chemicals.
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    You could do as suggested above with the pick up truck, then pack them and send them to me.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxtrot's View Post
    That is so comforting Sanois and Jan (not)

    But the yucca is pushing up the asphalt further and further away so it really is time to go to get the big guns from the Co-op. And we try so hard not to use nasty chemicals round here, but desperate times require desperate measures.
    Roundup is just not up to the job.
    Sorry, I feel your pain Foxtrot!
    You might try Straight Vinegar. Get a gallon Jug and pour it on the sucker.
    Also I am told boiling water neither one I have tried but since I am anti chemical I will be trying them on weeds! Worth a shot and CHEAP.
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