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    It seems odd since Somerset is 13 and nothing ever showed up before a few weeks ago I feel better that at least I am doing something (bloodwork) even if I am no closer to an answer right now.
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    Now I am even more confused. Most of the bloodwork is back...

    CBC/Chemistry <-- normal
    Lyme Disease <-- negative
    EPM <-- tested for exposure, 400 titer (1-500 is considered exposure)
    Thyroid Panel <-- normal
    PSSM Type 1 [not back yet]
    Leptospirosis <-- negative
    Cushing/Insulin <-- normal
    Selenium <-- normal
    Vitamin E [Not back yet]

    The only finding of any significance is low white blood cell count, like he's fighting an infection. But no real positive hits on any of the more specific tests except that he's been exposed to EPM like most of the horses in this country?!
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    I am glad you are doing/have done veterinary workups but seriously, WTF on the 'By this point I was in screaming pain and pretty concerned. I went into the indoor and with my trainer's help we basically BEAT him over a crossrail so as not to end on a stop.'.
    That was inexcusably poor horsemanship. You and your trainer should have been beaten, for not realizing sooner that this was NOT a behavior problem. I try to be helpful when I am posting on CoTH, but seriously, both humans really let this horse down by not looking for a physical problem before beating the pooor horse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdlbredfan View Post
    I am glad you are doing/have done veterinary workups but seriously, WTF on the 'By this point I was in screaming pain and pretty concerned. I went into the indoor and with my trainer's help we basically BEAT him over a crossrail so as not to end on a stop.'.
    That was inexcusably poor horsemanship. You and your trainer should have been beaten, for not realizing sooner that this was NOT a behavior problem. I try to be helpful when I am posting on CoTH, but seriously, both humans really let this horse down by not looking for a physical problem before beating the pooor horse.

    Did you read post 29?

    Short of having psychic powers, which I unluckily DO NOT have... I really couldn't tell there was a physical problem UNTIL I couldn't get him over a crossrail.

    And beating consisted of a smack with a crop behind my leg and be growling at him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by magicteetango View Post
    My mare has severely compromised vision in both eyes as well. It started, behavior wise, as balking while being lead. Eventually progressed to running backwards under saddle. This mare is normally a saint, I knew she had slight vision loss but it really progressed quickly.

    She adjusted and is now once again her perfect self. Easiest horse to ride on the farm. He WILL adjust to this, but this is sudden to him too and it is scary. He has no idea what is going on/why he can't see. He will learn to work around his compromised vision and will get a lot better, but I would say his jumping days are over sadly.

    Not to split hairs, I have always had a lot of respect for you as a poster, but sometimes when a horse says NO repeatedly when he never normally does, we need to just take his word for it. Not practically beat him over a cross rail to end on a good note, to me it just isn't worth it. I really got after Casey when she was balking with a dressage whip behind me to instill in her WE DO GO FORWARD. No I didn't beat her or anything like that, but I snapped her pretty good a few times. Once I realized what was going on I felt terrible, we can never really know but after dealing with this problem myself, I now trust a reliable horse when they have a huge behavioral change to ask my vet first and work it out on a different day if the vet doesn't find anything. I don't know, guess I worry about it now after experiencing it with her.

    I am sorry you're going through this, keep us posted and best of luck!
    I agree with this. I am glad someone else thought the same thing I did, that it was a horsemanship 101 fail, not to think first of a physical problems, when a horse does something so completely uncharacteristic.
    ETA, the forum was acting flaky and would not display page 2, so I did miss post number 29. I am very glad it was only 'emphatic insistence' rather than actually beating the horse. I am sorry you took offense, but next time might want to try writing with more precision.

    I hope a firm diagnosis and treatment will come along soon. Good luck and keep us posted!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdlbredfan View Post
    I am glad you are doing/have done veterinary workups but seriously, WTF on the 'By this point I was in screaming pain and pretty concerned. I went into the indoor and with my trainer's help we basically BEAT him over a crossrail so as not to end on a stop.'.
    That was inexcusably poor horsemanship. You and your trainer should have been beaten, for not realizing sooner that this was NOT a behavior problem. I try to be helpful when I am posting on CoTH, but seriously, both humans really let this horse down by not looking for a physical problem before beating the pooor horse.
    Got cut off, COTH seems to be going in and out tonight.

    Did you read post 29?

    Short of having psychic powers, which I unluckily DO NOT have... I really couldn't tell there was a physical problem UNTIL I couldn't get him over a crossrail.

    And "beating him over a crossrail" consisted of a smack with a crop behind my leg and me growling at him. I did not literally BEAT him. I got him over the crossrail by being forceful. Probably less forceful than every.single.person I've even seen hit a horse with a cros at a show. I'm pretty gentle by nature, never use the crop, and just using it was pretty significant to him. I hardly BEAT him, literally.

    But I already explained this in post 29.

    I used poor language to describe the situation, but I stand by what happened (until we got in and tried to jump the crossrail it was not clear that something was wrong with the horse as opposed to a problem with my riding). I am a naturally timid rider. I can probably count on one hand the number of times in the 5+ years I've owned him that I have hit this horse with a crop. My "getting tough" with a horse is probably most other people's "why don't you use an aid like you're serious."

    As soon as it was clear that this was NOT my riding error, I immediately called out the vet. Have spent a fortune already on diagnostics. Dropped everything to take him to multiple vets. Am now going to New Bolton. I have 100% done the best I can by this and all my other horses. I have 2 retired horses that I have and will care for until the day they day. One was unsound essentially from the moment I got him off the track. I never even got to really ride him. I have been paying to board him and my first pony as pasture puffs for over 8 years. They live the life of riley and have everything they could possibly care for. My horses want for nothing. I am kind to them to the point of fault (I am a bit of a timid rider, actually). Ask anyone who knows me if I am capable of striking a horse with force, seriously.

    I'm not psychic. I did not add up that stopping once at a show and twice at a lesson, with no other symptoms in a horse that seemed completely sound and had just had his hocks injected, his backed checked, and his saddle reflocked was physical. I challenge you to say you'd have diagnosed the problem as physical with just those details.
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    And I will add that I took this horse to one of the preeminent sports medicine vets in this country who has been a team vet for the olympics. HE rode the horse and HE hit the horse with a crop and didn't seem to think it was animal cruelty. And trust me that he's quite a bit stronger and more forceful than I am. When you're trying to decide if a problem is physical or behavioral, sometimes you have to push the horse a little and see what happens. It gave us a clear answer that the issue is not behavioral. But for pushing him a little, we wouldn't have been able to tell that.
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    Yeah, my first post was not my best writing. I was pretty distraught that my heart horse was in distress and acting like he was going blind. There's a fair amount of lack of articulateness there.
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    The board keeps going in/out tonight!
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    I'm sorry you have not gotten any answers yet. Have you consulted with a vet that specializes in neuro issues? If it is not an eye issue, I think a neurological issue would be the next thing I would look into.

    I would also be talking with as many different vets as possible. When one of my horses came down with unusual symptoms, it took 9 vets before I found one that figured out what was going on. And it wasn't the most experienced vet that finally solved the mystery. Good luck!



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    I *think* the New Bolton evaluation will be eyes/neuro/general internal medicine. They all seem to be in one department.
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    As an update, Somerset went to New Bolton today and saw Dr. Wotman. She immediately diagnosed him with large corpa nigra cysts in both eyes, but especially large in the right eye. She did not see anything else unusual in either eye, just normal effects of aging. She feels strongly that the cysts are the problem, and cysts on the corpra nigra align PERFECTLY with his symptoms- especially issues going from light to dark and being worse out in the bright sunlight. He is having laser eye surgery at the next possible appointment (July 11th). Thank you all for your brainstorming and support. Even though some of the theories were wrong, they helped me figure out paths to go down and eliminated issues. Now I have a diagnosis and a path forward. Thank you again and I'll post after the surgery and update again.
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    YAY!!! A diagnosis. That's what I thought in the first place (corpora nigra).
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    Yes indeed! And of the list of things it could have been... I feel INCREDIBLY powerball-levels of lucky!
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    Let us know how it goes. Curious about this issue. I think eye and breathing problems are WAY underemphasized.
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    YAY!! So happy that it's something treatable. Best of luck on the laser surgery!



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    Wow, what a great update. I'm so glad New Bolton was able to give you a diagnosis and a solution, as they always have for me. Sorry the eye specialist sent you down the wrong alleys. When I read corpra nigra cysts, I remembered someone had mentioned it early in this thread. Go figure!



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    Yay! So thankful for good news and an easy fix with standing surgery!



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    I'm so glad you found out what the problem was, and that it's easily treatable. Best of luck for the surgery and recovery.
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    Duplicate from my other thread, but I thought I'd update both...

    Partial update: Somerset had the laser ablation July 11th. He came home and within days seemed back to his normal self in terms of ground handling. He tolerated the after-surgery medication very well and had no side effects. He is now back in work and slowly building fitness up. He isn't fit enough to really jump yet, and that will be the final test, but as far as I can tell from riding on the flat-- his vision is 100% back to normal. He is back to the confident go anywhere, do anything horse I know. No spooking, no looking at invisible things, no fear of passing jumps, no changes when he goes from a shadowy area to a well-lit one. He also just seems back to his happy, non-nervous self. So far, I am thrilled. I only wish I would have known about the cysts earlier so we could have done the surgery right away. But so far, so good (knock on wood). I am aiming to get him fit enough to go to a show in early September at the venue where this whole thing came to a head in the first place.
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