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    Default Any good quality "Soy Free" Ration Balancers available in Southeast??

    Considering taking young mare off soy to see if it makes any difference in her heavy heats. She goes from sweet as a baby kitten to a cranky, bossy, leave me alone type when she's in season. I've had many mares years back and never had this problem until soy became the standard in feeds. Can't help but think there's a connection. TIA.



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    Equipride. This is what I feed. That and some tim pellets.

    I get it from Franklin Kubota, in TN.


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    Depending on what "southeast" means to you, M10 might or might not be available. McCauley's in general isn't around here

    Equipride is your closest RB cousin.
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    McCauley's @

    FloridaDan's Discount Feed
    449 North Central Avenue
    Umatilla, FL 32784
    Phone: (352) 669-7253

    North American Hay
    P.O. Box 21581
    Fort Lauderdale, FL 33335
    Phone: (954) 599-8803

    Safety Systems
    11924 Forest Hill Blvd, Suite 22
    Box 175
    Wellington, FL 33414
    Phone: (561) 350-3171
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    Where are you in Florida? I feed the McCauley's M10 soy free RB. I've been very happy with it. It's a large pellet, looks like rodent chow. I get it from United Hay in Ocala. You have to order it, they carry other McCauley's products but they don't keep the M10 in stock. So I order 6-8 bags at a time. Takes about 2 weeks to come in (they order feed twice a month, so it depends on where they are in the ordering cycle).



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    www.seminolefeed.com/supplements.html has several grass/hay balancers.



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    Quote Originally Posted by csaper58 View Post
    www.seminolefeed.com/supplements.html has several grass/hay balancers.
    All have soy


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    Quote Originally Posted by rmh_rider View Post
    Equipride. This is what I feed. That and some tim pellets.

    I get it from Franklin Kubota, in TN.
    Equipride is a mineral supplement not a ration balancer.

    A ration balancer adds protein to balance either alfalfa hay/pasture (it adds less protein) or for grass hay/pasture (more protein).

    If you are seeking a "true" ration balancer you will need to add some other stuff to Equipride....

    Amino Acids/Protein (Tri Amino is a good one)

    I think it also falls short on Magnesium.

    OF course, this assumes you actually feel horses must be balanced in minerals with a calculator. :-)



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    Again, technically not a 'ration balancer' for grass hays in the same way those formulated for grass hays are.

    It is totally lacking in protein (specifically lysine, methionine, and threonine)-the very ingredients a ration balancer is supposed to be adding via soy.



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    Alfalfa pellets are a great way to add protein in a soy free diet. So is whey or Tri Amino as someone else mentioned...and that assumes you even need to. Most smaller easy keeping breeds can get all the protein and lysine they need from normal forage and a few alfalfa pellets. If you have a big sport horse type then you might have to feed a lot more alfalfa or simply add a supplement to meet their amino acid needs.



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    M10/M30 are designed to be fed with Oats. Isn't the OP tying to avoid the contents of soy ?
    (You can adjust the protein level by using oats, which has almost as much protein as soy)
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    RBs typically say "if more calories are needed, add X amount of oats". That's different from "designed to be fed with oats", if that makes sense

    That doesn't remotely mean you HAVE to feed oats if you need more calories.
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    LMH- Seminole's Grass Balancer 16:8 does not have soy listed in the ingredients, nor do a couple other products. The company Phone # is on the page so I guess a phone call can clear up any questions.



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    The 16:8 is along the same lines as the Equipride - not truly a ration balancer. It's fed in terms of ounces. It does not have much (any?) protein, and is really just about minerals, and that's why it can be soy-free - doesn't have to provide protein.

    That doesn't mean it's not worthwhile, but if you're looking for soy free options, the M10 is as close as you're going to come, and that's not truly a RB because of the protein. However, adding lysine to a diet is cheap and easy.
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    Equipride has the correct magnesium ratio.

    Yeah, it may not be a RB, but it is a supplement with no soy. I can not trust anybody not to have soy in whatever they make, be it a rb or feed. I know the Equipride doesn't have it in there. Anything on a belt, I worry on the soy. My horse is plenty fat with just this supplement, and hay or hay pellets, or BP. No lysine, but I have found no issues without it in there. There are other sources out in the pasture, hay, pellets, bp which may have it in there. My horse doesn't show a deficiency due to the supp not having it.

    Here is their list of what is in it:

    Crude Protein, Min.
    14.00%
    Crude Fat, Min.
    5.50%
    Omega 3 Fatty Acid, Min
    0.55%
    Crude Fiber, Max.
    5.50%
    ADF, Max
    8.50%
    Calcium (Ca), Min.
    1.00%
    Calcium (Ca), Max.
    1.50%
    Phosphorus (P), Min.
    1.25%
    Salt (NaCl), Min.
    7.50%
    Salt (NaCl), Max.
    9.00%
    Magnesium (Mg), Min.
    1.50%
    Potassium (K), Min.
    1.10%
    Sulfur (S), Min.
    0.25%
    Fluorine, Max
    0.8 ppm
    Copper (Cu), Min.
    500 ppm
    Selenium (Se), Min.
    5.0 ppm
    Zinc (Zn), Min
    1,000 ppm
    Iron (Fe), Min.
    350 ppm
    Manganese (Mn), Min.
    750 ppm
    Iodine (I), Min.
    8.0 ppm
    Cobalt (Co), Min.
    4.0 ppm
    Biotin, Min
    18 mg/lb
    Omega 3 fatty acid, Min.
    5,500 ppm
    Vitamin A, Min
    100,000 IU/lb
    Vitamin D, Min
    20,000 IU/lb
    Vitamin E, Min



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    Quote Originally Posted by rmh_rider View Post
    Equipride has the correct magnesium ratio.
    What do you mean by this? Correct how? Correct according to NRC? Dr Kellon? Correct assuming other feeds are not low in Mg?

    A 10 oz serving (the recommendation for a 1000 lb horse) has 4+ grams of Mg. Certainly enough if there is not any metabolic issues, etc indication a need for extra Mg.

    A 10oz serving provides 62,500 units of Vitamin A. That is quite a strong amount of additional A....harmful? Don't know. Necessary? Unlikely.

    I fed Equipride for quite a while on my farm but no longer do.

    The point being no one can say any product is 'correct' without knowing what else the horse is eating.



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    Quote Originally Posted by csaper58 View Post
    LMH- Seminole's Grass Balancer 16:8 does not have soy listed in the ingredients, nor do a couple other products. The company Phone # is on the page so I guess a phone call can clear up any questions.
    what JB said in post #15 above.



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