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    Quote Originally Posted by FalseImpression View Post
    whatever.... I am not ashamed of it... any of these people sure do not deserve any sympathy from me and I do hope this will have a very strong impact on the driver... and many sleepless nights.
    My sympathy goes to the horses, not to any "human" involved.
    Sorry if that bothers you.
    Too sick to comment on those that use this tragedy for their continuing anti slaughter agenda.

    Yesterday a limousine with several women broke out in fire and killed several of them and no one started making any one case for their agendas, whatever those are.

    This was one more accident of many out there.
    Too bad some seems to be the kind of people that have to use even a terrible accident to push agendas, shame on them.

    What if that had been your trainer's barn going up in flames, or big rig going to any one show, which it very well could have been?


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    Bruce seems to be a nice guy <sarcasm>. He and his buddy appear to be AC4H lite.

    http://theethicsofequinerescue.blogs...ruce-rotz.html


    And Rotz and Kelsey LeFever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FalseImpression View Post
    I hope the driver has sleepless nights forever. Maybe not his fault, but that would cure me from ever driving live animals...
    What a horrible thing to wish on someone. Wow. I am stunned.


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    Yes indeedy.

    Quote Originally Posted by LauraKY View Post
    Bruce seems to be a nice guy <sarcasm>. He and his buddy appear to be AC4H lite.

    http://theethicsofequinerescue.blogs...ruce-rotz.html


    And Rotz and Kelsey LeFever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraKY View Post
    Bruce seems to be a nice guy <sarcasm>. He and his buddy appear to be AC4H lite.

    http://theethicsofequinerescue.blogs...ruce-rotz.html
    ...
    And the article about the truck fire posted earlier:
    http://www.examiner.com/article/slau...r-trailer-fire

    ...was written by Cheryl Hanna, who just happens to be AC4H's Fundraising and Publicity Director:
    http://www.ac4h.com/AndThenThereWereNone.htm

    Hmmm....
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    I'd like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that EVERY ONE of the horses on that truck were there because their OWNERS* put them there.

    The karma is theirs*--and it comes back threefold.

    Take personal responsibility for what you own.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Liberty View Post
    And the article about the truck fire posted earlier:
    http://www.examiner.com/article/slau...r-trailer-fire

    ...was written by Cheryl Hanna, who just happens to be AC4H's Fundraising and Publicity Director:
    http://www.ac4h.com/AndThenThereWereNone.htm

    Hmmm....
    why are you dumping on her?
    She is doing your dirty work, lobbying for the ban of transportation of slaughter horses.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alagirl View Post
    why are you dumping on her?
    She is doing your dirty work, lobbying for the ban of transportation of slaughter horses.....
    Um, that's not MY "dirty work", and if you think Cheryl Hanna is "lobbying" for a ban on transport of horses to slaughter, you're more naive than I had thought. Then again, you don't even have horses, and all you really do here is stir up trouble in threads like this.

    Time for me to go feed my horses, so you have fun in this thread while you wait for the next slaughter thread to come along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Eboshi View Post
    I'd like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that EVERY ONE of the horses on that truck were there because their OWNERS* put them there.

    The karma is theirs*--and it comes back threefold.

    Take personal responsibility for what you own.
    There you go, bringing logic and personal responsibility into it...if someone wanted those horses, they wouldn't be headed to slaughter. If you don't want a horse slaughtered, buy it and keep it. If you won't pay for it, why should anyone else?

    As for which is worse, hm, let me think, a bolt to the head and they never knew what hit them, or BURNING TO DEATH until either the smoke kills them or the fire does, pretty much one of the worst ways to die...yeah, not really a choice there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Liberty View Post
    Um, that's not MY "dirty work", and if you think Cheryl Hanna is "lobbying" for a ban on transport of horses to slaughter, you're more naive than I had thought. Then again, you don't even have horses, and all you really do here is stir up trouble in threads like this.

    Time for me to go feed my horses, so you have fun in this thread while you wait for the next slaughter thread to come along.
    You know, your anti slaughter side keeps claiming the moral high ground while acting like you do there, being mean to others with any and all they can use trying to insult them.

    Tell me, where in the COTH rules does it say you have to own anything to post?
    I don't think it is Alagirl who is pushing the rules of posting here, but those picking at her with under the belt comments.

    I have not been saying anything about that your group keeps bringing up as a dig, but honestly, what a group you represent with those comments.

    For those that want to make this one more anti slaughter thread, be my guest, but think, does it make a difference who's truck burned down, any more than who's barn burned down, or is that just one more place for the antis to make hay while the sun is shining?
    If that truck was even going to slaughter, which I don't think has been established yet, but makes for one more handy guess to push the HSUS anti this and that agendas, here anti slaughter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Liberty View Post
    Um, that's not MY "dirty work", and if you think Cheryl Hanna is "lobbying" for a ban on transport of horses to slaughter, you're more naive than I had thought. Then again, you don't even have horses, and all you really do here is stir up trouble in threads like this.

    Time for me to go feed my horses, so you have fun in this thread while you wait for the next slaughter thread to come along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alagirl View Post
    We have discussed the logistic of hauling.
    There is a way of doing things, that don't seem right to the outsider, but are essential for the safety, like keeping horses from moving around.

    .
    It is absolutely not necessary to cram horses into a trailer to keep them safe. And I don't know anyone who would transport valuable horses 30 to a load. If it was so much safer, you would see big shippers like Equine express, advertising "Fully packed loads...30 to a trailer, for safety!" And I know of no one with show horses that would ship 30 to a trailer. The only ones you see doing that are kill buyers trying to get as many as they can moved as cheaply as they can...Horse welfare and safety are not a consideration.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsmom View Post
    It is absolutely not necessary to cram horses into a trailer to keep them safe. And I don't know anyone who would transport valuable horses 30 to a load. If it was so much safer, you would see big shippers like Equine express, advertising "Fully packed loads...30 to a trailer, for safety!" And I know of no one with show horses that would ship 30 to a trailer. The only ones you see doing that are kill buyers trying to get as many as they can moved as cheaply as they can...Horse welfare and safety are not a consideration.
    Another one that doesn't understand this was an accident, could have happened no matter how many or few horses were being hauled, is only using this as one more chance to try to push anti slaughter agendas.
    A shame to go there in such tragedies.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluey View Post
    If that truck was even going to slaughter, which I don't think has been established yet, but makes for one more handy guess to push the HSUS anti this and that agendas, here anti slaughter.
    Um...from the article:

    The horses were being shipped from Shippensburg, Pa., to a rendering plant in Massueville, Quebec, police said.


    Massueville, Quebec also happens to be where Richelieu is, and as someone already posted, rendering plants are for dead animals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jenm View Post
    Um...from the article:

    The horses were being shipped from Shippensburg, Pa., to a rendering plant in Massueville, Quebec, police said.


    Massueville, Quebec also happens to be where Richelieu is, and as someone already posted, rendering plants are for dead animals.
    I think it has been also told that the article was of questionable sources and definitely the "rendering" in that article is dubious, as those plants are not generally set to handle live animals.

    Anyway, keep on with the anti slaughter message, if that gives you pleasure in the midst of truly a terrible accident, that could and has happened no matter who the ones involved were.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jenm View Post
    Um...from the article:

    The horses were being shipped from Shippensburg, Pa., to a rendering plant in Massueville, Quebec, police said.


    Massueville, Quebec also happens to be where Richelieu is, and as someone already posted, rendering plants are for dead animals.
    Yes indeed..that's kind of a DUH thing to even believe for a moment anyone is shipping living horses, 30 at a time in a cattle truck, to a rendering plant in Canada. Really?

    I suspect this was the official lie/story to avoid persecution as there are some tough laws in NY State regarding the shipping of horses to slaughter. Cattle trucks are a no no there and have been longer than the Federal law has been on the books. I sure hope the law enforcement in NY is not stupid enough to believe that one. Considering these guys have a record of horse abuse and shipping violations, I kind of doubt it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluey View Post
    I think it has been also told that the article was of questionable sources and definitely the "rendering" in that article is dubious, as those plants are not generally set to handle live animals.

    Anyway, keep on with the anti slaughter message, if that gives you pleasure in the midst of truly a terrible accident, that could and has happened no matter who the ones involved were.
    Which non slaughter horse transport with 30 horses on it, has had their trailer crash/burn up in a fire?


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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsmom View Post
    Which non slaughter horse transport with 30 horses on it, has had their trailer crash/burn up in a fire?
    Which group would rub it's hands in glee to have one more chance to use such terrible accident for their agenda?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluey View Post
    Which group would rub it's hands in glee to have one more chance to use such terrible accident for their agenda?
    "Rub it's hands in glee"? There is nothing gleeful in the fact 30 horses were burned to death and no one has posted anything with even a hint of glee in their message.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluey View Post
    Another one that doesn't understand this was an accident, could have happened no matter how many or few horses were being hauled, is only using this as one more chance to try to push anti slaughter agendas.
    A shame to go there in such tragedies.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/trai...ticle-1.116138

    this woman was lucky that non of her audience - or the bystanders - hated barrel racing....
    http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/f...asp?tid=389661

    can't see too much from this angle...but seems like only bad people ahve accidents...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NxQ12bt5Lk

    http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.s...e_trailer.html

    this is what gear heads have to say:
    http://www.thetruckstop.us/forum/sho...-catching-fire



    and this is the google page, with the suggested search words 18+wheeler+on_fire
    https://www.google.com/search?q=hors...w=1432&bih=758

    enjoy the images and videos.

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