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    I hope the trotters can play in the Racing forum too!

    I'm hoping someone can help me out to find some information on a horse as an idle curiosity project of mine. A new horse came into the barn where I ride and he was wearing the halter with a plate engraved with the pedigree from this horse:

    http://pathway.ustrotting.com/search...orse_id=936096

    I think the halter is a mix up, or at least isn't original to the horse -- he has a lip tattoo, but no freeze brand that I could see, however he was still in woolly mammoth mode and his rather long mane falls on the right side.

    Any info would be appreciated! Thanks.



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    Quote Originally Posted by VaqueroToro View Post
    I hope the trotters can play in the Racing forum too!

    I'm hoping someone can help me out to find some information on a horse as an idle curiosity project of mine. A new horse came into the barn where I ride and he was wearing the halter with a plate engraved with the pedigree from this horse:

    http://pathway.ustrotting.com/search...orse_id=936096

    I think the halter is a mix up, or at least isn't original to the horse -- he has a lip tattoo, but no freeze brand that I could see, however he was still in woolly mammoth mode and his rather long mane falls on the right side.

    Any info would be appreciated! Thanks.
    If he has a lip tattoo, it's not him. If he is tattooed he prob isn't freezebranded but you can check.

    The horse whose halter he has sold for $16k as a yearling in NY and is pretty fashionably-bred at least (his third dam, Turn the Tide was a hell of a good mare) but since the horse in question isn't him, not sure what else to tell you. If he's tattooed and youngish, he's prob not a standardbred at all; they switched over to freeze-branding in the 90s.


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    It's really common for halters to get switched - I've had 2 TB's come to me with the wrong name on their halter. Go by the tattoo.



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    Thanks guys. He allowed me to curl his lip and spot if he had a tattoo, but I didn't get a chance to read it.

    They're working on getting some groceries into him but he's a pretty chill dude so far.

    Big_Tag: Is Why So Serious (aka Sports Edition) still racing? I couldn't find any hits when I Googled it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by VaqueroToro View Post
    Thanks guys. He allowed me to curl his lip and spot if he had a tattoo, but I didn't get a chance to read it.

    They're working on getting some groceries into him but he's a pretty chill dude so far.

    Big_Tag: Is Why So Serious (aka Sports Edition) still racing? I couldn't find any hits when I Googled it.
    He last raced 10/6/2012 in New York. He was none too successful at the track, really; $22k-ish earned in 44 starts (4 wins, 13 seconds (wow!) and 1 third).



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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Tag View Post
    He last raced 10/6/2012 in New York. He was none too successful at the track, really; $22k-ish earned in 44 starts (4 wins, 13 seconds (wow!) and 1 third).
    These two horses must have physically crossed paths at some point then -- we're (the horse at the barn and myself) are in NY and 2hrs max away from Tioga Downs/Vernon Downs (the two places I know of to race STBs around where I am).

    I am definitely going to have to look at his tat and see if I can't match up some numbers -- I love a good mystery! Maybe figuring out who he is will tell me how he managed to wear Sports Edition's halter.

    Thanks again!



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    Yeah his last start was at Vernon Downs. There are actually quite a few STB tracks in New York (besides the ones you mentioned, Yonkers, Saratoga, Monticello, Buffalo and Batavia Downs, and I may be forgetting one or two). But again, if he is tattooed he's more than likely a) old or b) not a standardbred.

    But I too love a good mystery horse, so keep us posted



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    Very simple answer: hold his lip, read his tattoo, and enter into Pathway to find out who he ACTUALLY is.



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    I do not know how the trotting industry works (that is if it is so centralized that the use of tattoos and or freezebrands) was completely phased out in the whole country. There is a standardbred mare that I saw here recently who was reported to be, I think 19 years old, she had both a lip tattoo and a freezebrand. Is it possible the horse is that old? But instead of all of the best guesses, maybe one should check with the USTA to get that answer first, then if you can read the lip tattoo, certainly run that. In no way does it mean that the halter and the horse would match, nor does it mean the two horses so called crossed paths. The halter could have been bought in a lot at an auction and was just used because, or about a couple of dozen other reasons. I would not be surprised if the horse came from a different part of the US than the halter either. I have seen stranger things, including a so called registered TB gelding without tattoo wearing a mare's halter, neither of the folks involved with that one knew enough to even look up the JC information on the halter.

    Also, freeze brands notoriously fade about as much as the lip tattoos. If done incorrectly or even a minor error it can be nearly invisible. Can you safely shave the neck yet? Both sides if you really want to be sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calamber View Post
    I do not know how the trotting industry works (that is if it is so centralized that the use of tattoos and or freezebrands) was completely phased out in the whole country. There is a standardbred mare that I saw here recently who was reported to be, I think 19 years old, she had both a lip tattoo and a freezebrand. Is it possible the horse is that old? But instead of all of the best guesses, maybe one should check with the USTA to get that answer first, then if you can read the lip tattoo, certainly run that. In no way does it mean that the halter and the horse would match, nor does it mean the two horses so called crossed paths. The halter could have been bought in a lot at an auction and was just used because, or about a couple of dozen other reasons. I would not be surprised if the horse came from a different part of the US than the halter either. I have seen stranger things, including a so called registered TB gelding without tattoo wearing a mare's halter, neither of the folks involved with that one knew enough to even look up the JC information on the halter.

    Also, freeze brands notoriously fade about as much as the lip tattoos. If done incorrectly or even a minor error it can be nearly invisible. Can you safely shave the neck yet? Both sides if you really want to be sure.
    In the US and Canada, only freeze brands are used now for the registration number (it has been more than 10 years since tattoos were entirely phased out). They are done at time of registration, as opposed to TBs where the tattoo is typically not applied until the horse is almost ready to race. On an older horse, it is certainly possible for them to have both tattoo and freeze brand if the breeder or owner chose to have both applied, especially if they were racing during the period of changeover to freeze branding. It is also common on older horses to see the registration number as the tattoo and for the horse to have an additional farm freeze brand (Not necessarily the reg number, although it could be - but usually it was one to three characters, sometimes just numbers, sometimes a combination of letters and numbers. I have seen them on either side of the neck and also on the sternum.)

    I have never seen a freeze brand fade. I have seen ones that were poorly applied to begin with, and therefore difficult to read. They also can become illegible or nearly invisible if the horse has winter hair, but a quick clip job makes them readable again.

    OP really has a few prospects here - either horse is an older Standardbred (at least over 10, probably older) with a tattoo, horse has a freeze brand hidden in the winter hair, horse is a different breed with a tattoo (TB, racing QH/appendix, racing Arabian). In any case, reading the tattoo is what will bring the answer. The halter could have come from anywhere.



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    Quote Originally Posted by furlong47 View Post
    In the US and Canada, only freeze brands are used now for the registration number (it has been more than 10 years since tattoos were entirely phased out). They are done at time of registration, as opposed to TBs where the tattoo is typically not applied until the horse is almost ready to race. On an older horse, it is certainly possible for them to have both tattoo and freeze brand if the breeder or owner chose to have both applied, especially if they were racing during the period of changeover to freeze branding. It is also common on older horses to see the registration number as the tattoo and for the horse to have an additional farm freeze brand (Not necessarily the reg number, although it could be - but usually it was one to three characters, sometimes just numbers, sometimes a combination of letters and numbers. I have seen them on either side of the neck and also on the sternum.)

    I have never seen a freeze brand fade. I have seen ones that were poorly applied to begin with, and therefore difficult to read. They also can become illegible or nearly invisible if the horse has winter hair, but a quick clip job makes them readable again.

    OP really has a few prospects here - either horse is an older Standardbred (at least over 10, probably older) with a tattoo, horse has a freeze brand hidden in the winter hair, horse is a different breed with a tattoo (TB, racing QH/appendix, racing Arabian). In any case, reading the tattoo is what will bring the answer. The halter could have come from anywhere.
    This is all good to know, especially about the sternum and the farm tattoos. I guess I should have said illegible instead of fade since that is really what I have seen most. I have not clipped horses for the brands but have certainly seen them after a search was being done on the hips for warmbloods or out here, brand inspections, where it is a law that they have to be ided by a brand inspector if they have one. It is not, however, standard policy to enforce that at auctions, particularly the racing brands. I was told Appaloosas and Paints can also have racing id, and mules. Makes things very interesting. I hope OP can find out who this fellow is, I always like to know.
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